GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Jw192]

I felt the Judges comments were uncalled for! It was victim shaming!

With all respect, SG encouraged crazies from every corner of the internet to bombard and harass a sitting judge and attempt to interfere in judicial proceedings. Imo the judge was not wrong to bring it up and wasn't in any way victim shaming. SG is lucky he hasn't had the cops at his door at this point. I understand that he's in agony and my heart breaks for him and the other families but that doesn't mean he has a pass to do what he wants IMO

 

[QB2022]

I dont believe it is victim shaming, he is publically making statements and those statements have a wide reach and many people will not agree with them. I do think his action of encouraging people to call the judge was inappropriate, but I whole heartedly empathise with his emotions and feelings. They are not mutually exclusive and being a victim does not completely dissolve you of repercussions. It is all a very fine line.

 

[arielilane]

A timeline of events.


02:05 PM EDT

Kohberger sentencing set for July 23; will appear in jail attire​

According to Judge Steven Hippler, Bryan Kohberger will be formally sentenced on July 23 at 9 a.m. local time, with an additional day reserved if needed. Kohberger, who pleaded guilty to the 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students, will remain in custody until then.

Because he no longer holds the presumption of innocence, Hippler ruled that Kohberger must appear in jail-issued clothing for the sentencing hearing. The judge also confirmed that Kohberger will continue to be held in jail without bond pending the proceeding.

Kohberger pleads guilty in murder of four Idaho college students

Bryan Kohberger has pleaded guilty to killing 4 Idaho students, avoiding the death penalty in exchange for life sentences. This live blog is now closed.

www.newsweek.com

 

[femto]

I don't care one bit what a bunch of people who are incapable of basic reasoning believe. Nothing will convince them, just as nothing has convinced other killer fanboys and girls that their idols are guilty.

If he had been convicted by a jury and sentenced to either LWOP or death, there would have been appeal after appeal. And death penalty cases go on for decades.

A guilty plea from a defendant who has had the benefit of years of top death-qualified counsel and who confesses his guilt to each and every count on the criminal indictment serves the purposes of the only justice available: he will be permanently removed from society. That's actually all either LWOP or the death penalty accomplishes. A killer has confessed to his crimes and can be sentenced within the guidelines of the law. There is not even the "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a jury verdict would provide. There is no doubt, none at all, because he told us he is the killer of all four of the victims. He, alone. So there is no accomplice, no SODDI, no blaming the housemates or old boyfriends or BK's neighbor. He's GUILTY. And on top of that, his demeanor confirmed that he is a remorseless weirdo killer, not some glamorous misunderstood victim.

Yet those are the only types of people that still believe he is innocent which brings me to my answer to your point - him saying 'guilty' doesn't change anything. Everyone already knew that, the evidence is overwhelming just like Arias is guilty despite her still professing her innocence. As far as appeals go, all of those will be denied since the case is heavily stacked against him. His appeals would have never amounted to anything.

 

[vls12345]

The phone calls were not completely harmless.

There's a word for that kind of behavior: Harassment.
SG has expressed his (misdirected) hostility toward the prosecution and LE repeatedly.

Judge Hippler was entirely correct to draw a line and say he would allow no such behavior.
The calls were an attempt to influence the justice system through mob-like intimidation.
We've seen that type of behavior being displayed in other cases recently as well.

SG is the one feeding the animals in the media zoo, who are feasting on his rage with carnivorous glee. And the $uper Chat$, like$ and view$ keep pouring into their gaping mouths.

I admire Judge Hippler so much for keeping Lady Justice safe from the mob.
Thank you, Judge Hippler!

JMO.

Another word could be threatening.

I think there must have been threats in some of the calls because, iirc, Judge Hippler said that some messages had been forwarded to LE. I don't think polite or even needling calls would have been forwarded to LE. But ones that contained threats to the judge, to the courts, to the officers of the court, ...? Yes, I think those would have been forwarded to LE. So my assumption is that there were at least a few calls/messages that were threatening at a level that needed to involve LE.

MOO.

 

[potr]

I feel his body stance said a lot. It said, "I have no remorse, and I scorn all of you, and I don't care that I killed them." MOO. The "open" stance, like "bring it on." The standing for the judge, a show of respect for the law, showing that he is loony, because of his total disrespect for rights and laws by his actions. He is SO messed up. MOO. I think he's long been extremely strange, and he knew it himself, as a younger person, he knew he did not have normal feelings, had blunted feelings, and when he did express himself, he got a lot of blowback, evidently, from the other teens. Some of it probably bullying, some of it people sensing he wasn't right and a threat. MOO. But I think he is also very scared inside. The looking at the laptop, the glances at AT, like a scared person trying to do right while under the eyes of the judge. MOO. <modsnip: Image removed due to no link>

is there a dressmaker/designer here. I need someone to explain what is going on with his shirt - I know its not meant to be tailored (lol taylored even) but i presume it is too small - because of his chest or shoulders? I need an expert

 

[Magic8Ball]

I feel that not giving BK life without parole is what minimized this for her Father. He will be eligible for parole in future years!

BK's sentence is going to be not just 1, but 4 consecutive fixed life sentences.
Consecutive fixed life sentences, not concurrent.
A fixed life sentence means life without the possible of parole.
So even if BK died and came back to life 3 separate times, he'd still be serving a life sentence.
Does SG think BK is a cat, or what?

He's never going to be eligible for parole.
He's never going to be allowed to file any appeals.

He's going away forever. Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

Anyone who thinks that's a bad thing is not thinking clearly.

 

[Cedars]

With all respect, SG encouraged crazies from every corner of the internet to bombard and harass a sitting judge and attempt to interfere in judicial proceedings. Imo the judge was not wrong to bring it up and wasn't in any way victim shaming. SG is lucky he hasn't had the cops at his door at this point. I understand that he's in agony and my heart breaks for him and the other families but that doesn't mean he has a pass to do what he wants IMO

I think we are very fortunate that while anyone has access to the internet, not everyone is an actual judge.

It takes long training, practice and deep knowledge of the criminal laws of the USA, and exceptional character, to be appointed a judge. For now.

However, I can see how that may change. People could decide to dispense with the law and judges and try go back to mob rule. However, the consequence of that would be a rapid clampdown by some dictatorship and the rights and freedoms of self-expression that people currently enjoy will be gone.

IMO, respect for the legal process is being seriously eroded by the true crime phenomena, particular by those making money off it such as the media and social media.

 

[loreet]

I feel that not giving BK life without parole is what minimized this for her Father. He will be eligible for parole in future years!

The plea deal specifies NO chance of future parole. And NO appeals. That is a major advantage of this plea deal for the prosecution and the families. A death penalty verdict would come with automatic appeals. Often for many years.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I feel that not giving BK life without parole is what minimized this for her Father. He will be eligible for parole in future years!

He will get 4 consecutive sentences of LWOP, no chance for appeal PLUS 10 years for burglary on top of that. Consecutive sentences means "one after the other." LWOP=life without parole. Without parole. And no appeals.

 

[Dotta]

is there a dressmaker/designer here. I need someone to explain what is going on with his shirt - I know its not meant to be tailored (lol taylored even) but i presume it is too small - because of his chest or shoulders? I need an expert

He was probably wearing a bulletproof vest underneath.

JMO

 

[Odeto BJ]

rsbm

i was thinking about this - sharing a phone number (even if it can be found online) to your followers online could be considered doxing, and especially when it’s done with the intent to incite harassment or intimidation or unwanted contact it could be considered a crime. and from what the judge says it did result in calls that had to be forwarded to LE. i’m not sure what the laws around this are in the US, and i don’t imagine anyone really wants to charge SG.

i have a lot of empathy for SG and i think it’s really valid for him to be angry. it just sucks when it seems like his anger might be hurting both others and himself.

Judge Hipler ended up in a tough spot. With the lawyers already agreeing to a plea deal, he was the only person who could negate the conditions; so he was the singular path for SG to follow to achieve what SG wanted. SG overtly exposed the court to public outcry and potentially demonstration because he saw that as the only tactic available. He was playing his hand the way it was dealt to him, in a situation that demanded urgency.
More succinctly, the public overall should be more concerned how the justice system's practices have evolved to the point where justice cannot be swift. A group of lawyers are saying this plea deal is a desirable outcome because it precludes all the future appeals and proceedings that would be inherent should either DP or LWOP be the outcome of a jury trial; and there are just no guarantees that a jury would convict. That from a group that is WITHIN the system, and deal with it daily, complete with and in spite of all its faults and diversions. In reality those lawyers profit from the lethargic pace and interlocking redundancies...
Many of us here at WS followed closely all the motions IL and to suppress, many of which were futile fishing expeditions on their face. While the protection of a defendants rights should be key for any trial, we are now at a point where it takes multiple years to clear the logjam of pre-trial motions to prepare for a trial that lasts weeks to adjudicate a crime whose duration was minutes. The pendulum has swung so far to advocacy for the defendant that the rights of the victims are eroded beyond recognition. From the standpoint of those who advocate for the victims, the extended emotional turmoil is devastating,,,,because of the condition of the justice system.
I feel for SG but Judge Hipler was cutting through a great deal of the BS and maintaining something like a schedule. Unfortunately, he was the court of last resort for those who believed the punishment should fit the crime.

MOO throughtout

 

[jepop]

So glad for such a water tight plea deal. To watch and hear BK take full responsibility and be accountable was incredibly relieving. To me it felt like the justice system performing as it should. I'm heartened by Maddie's mother's and step family's statement.

I wish the families and loved ones of dear Maddie , Kaylee, Xana and Ethan some measure of acceptance and peace as time moves on. RIP beautiful young innocents.

Read you all again at sentencing and beyond when discovery starts coming out.

Btw @snooptroop88! I haven't forgotten a short exchange we had earlier in the year on the subject of a plea. I've prepared a marinade for my hat, which I will attempt to eat in due course!

 

[potr]

He was probably wearing a bulletproof vest underneath.

JMO

i don't think so - look at his chest - no sign of ribbing or structure under

 

[pittsburghgirl]

BK's sentence is going to be not just 1, but 4 consecutive fixed life sentences.
Consecutive fixed life sentences, not concurrent.
A fixed life sentence means life without the possible of parole.
So even if BK died and came back to life 3 separate times, he'd still be serving a life sentence.
Does SG think BK is a cat, or what?

He's never going to be eligible for parole.
He's never going to be allowed to file any appeals.

He's going away forever. Forever X 4.
Plus 10 years.

Anyone who thinks that's a bad thing is not thinking clearly.

And why in the world isn't a full confession--voluntary, with no coercion, on the advice of a top death-qualified attorney--the very best outcome in any trial? He said he did it!

A jury verdict can free someone or send them to prison or to death, but we're also left with "beyond a reasonable doubt," the verdict of 12 people, not the killer admitting what he did.

 

[Sundog]

I feel for SG but Judge Hipler was cutting through a great deal of the BS and maintaining something like a schedule. Unfortunately, he was the court of last resort for those who believed the punishment should fit the crime.

MOO throughtout

<snipped for focus>

I think it's important to add that Judge Hippler agreed with the plea deal, he was the only one who could approve it, and he did. So, in the end, Judge Hippler believed that the punishment (the plea deal) fit the crime.

 

[DizzyB]

He will get 4 consecutive sentences of LWOP, no chance for appeal PLUS 10 years for burglary on top of that. Consecutive sentences means "one after the other." LWOP=life without parole. Without parole. And no appeals.

Did Judge Hippler say that was the max, and he could sentence him to a lesser as it was at his discretion? I know I raised an eyebrow at something.

 

[SteveP]

is there a dressmaker/designer here. I need someone to explain what is going on with his shirt - I know its not meant to be tailored (lol taylored even) but i presume it is too small - because of his chest or shoulders? I need an expert

I am not a tailor, but perhaps it isn't the shirt that does not fit, but he, that does not fit. I think we have all known that for 2 1/2 years now. JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Did Judge Hippler say that was the max, and he could sentence him to a lesser as it was at his discretion? I know I raised an eyebrow at something.

Judge Hippler pointed out the minimum sentence for premeditated murder (I'm not sure what term he used) as he was interrogating BK about whether he was changing his plea voluntarily. The plea deal that BK agreed to and officially signed off on is 4 fixed life sentences (e.g., without parole; the sentences are "fixed") plus 10 years for the burglary.

A judge can change a plea deal. But I'll bet my next paycheck that Judge Hippler, who accepted the plea, knowing the deal, will sentence BK according to the deal.

 

[Sundog]

In this interview on News Nation, at around the 19:00 minute mark, SG says that he doesn't think that he, or members of his family, will make a victim's impact statement. He says it would be a waste of time. He may change his mind, of course, over the next few weeks, but given his current mental state I don't see him being able to do it. Perhaps another member of Kaylee's family will do so.