GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[10ofRods]

I am surprised he did make that mistake of buying the knife/sheath on Amazon, where there would be a clear record of his purchases. Law enforcement could easily subpoena Amazon for those records. He could have gone to a Sporting Goods store, and bought it with cash.

Also the mistake of driving his own car, the day of and the previous days of stalking the apartment/premises. Nowadays, security cameras are everywhere, especially apartment buildings/duplexes that are rentals. He could have rented a car, which could still eventually have been traced , but it might have confused things for a while. I don't think you can rent a car without the identifier of a driver's license, at minimum.

And then the mistake of leaving his DNA on the knife.
He failed Crime Scene Evidence 101, when he believed thought he could pull off the perfect crime.

Thisv

I think his intelligence has been highly over-rated. He seems to function at the level of middle school, mostly fantasy and hardly any judgment. Memorizes text well.

His phone being turned off and on immediately before and after the murders, with all his other movements well-documented (oh, and wasn't he stopped for some kind headlamp violation or something in his Elantra, that very night? so the police had his name and license number and were already using that and were on to him, even before coordinating with PA authorities to dig in the trash).

One of the prosecution witnesses from PA was prepared to testify that he got violent when they were booking him there.

Went back to the scene of the crime with his phone on, goes back home and takes an exuberant selfie just hours after he murdered four innocent people. Then starts worrying about replacing his knife

What a mess of a mind he has.

 

[LAborn]

Banfield, say no more

It keeps popping up in my youtube feed! Should be called "Hyperbole with Ashleigh"

 

[pittsburghgirl]

On Banfield's show he implied that BK would be taken care of in prison by Idahoans, essentially eliciting them to do it! And spoke as if he and BK were in a competition to win, and BK won this time. I thought that was so distasteful and strange. He's very odd. It's the last half of this broadcast (around 20min forward).

I didn't watch the whole thing but I found this very very disturbing. First, he doubles down on telling people to call Judge Hippler--who had nothing to do with the plea deal and who has held the defense to very high standards. Then he insults people from the state of Pennsylvania, as if where BK was from originally has anything to do with his psychopathy. Then he talks to BK as if this whole investigation and trial is just an instrument for SG to defeat BK, about who "wins." SG has lost the plot here; a trial is to determine if someone is guilty, not to provide revenge or a "winner." Finally, he essentially calls for prison justice, i.e., murder for BK, calling him a "Pennsylvania city body" who should get a "gift" from the righteous Idaho residents house in a max security prison. He's encouraging people to commit murder.

Yeah, I get that he's a grieving father. And no one here will cry when BK meets his Maker, whenever that day happens. But this guy is distorting peoples' view of the justice system, which delivered an actual confession to the murder of his daughter and three others. There are thousands of cases where there is never even a suspect identified, let alone a trial, and let alone a confession. I would hold a damn party if Brooks Houck confessed to murder or the last two Wagners gave up and confessed. This is the tip off that SG's rage is entirely misplaced. He's angry at everyone standing in the way of his personal ending of BK's life.

And Ashley Banfield is an exploitive ghoul to sit there and have no response to what SG said. MOO. MOO. MOO.

 

[ilovewings]

It keeps popping up in my youtube feed! Should be called "Hyperbole with Ashleigh"

I am real tired of Ashleigh Banfield!!!!

 

[10ofRods]

And think about this: he is pretty young, I think he is 30- he has 40 or 50 years ahead of him to live in some horrible prison----- there are people that believe that is worse than the death penalty.

I am one of them. I think it's far worse. Plus, as he ages, he'll develop a different outlook on his past. If Otto is right (and I believe Otto is right), due to being thorough psychopathic/antisocial, he will only feel regret about what happens to himself. He may think the IMSI is going to be like the jail in Moscow. It's not. He will not get visits from lawyers. His mail will be censored and there will be no fan mail. The commissary is notoriously poorly stocked and prisoners are barred from spending more than a small amount weekly (to keep intraprison trading and bribing at a minimum). The real currency will be physical power over others, of which he has none.

Bryan Kohberger moved to Idaho prison where inmates complained of feces covered walls

The Idaho Maximum Security Institution houses some of the state’s most dangerous inmates — including convicted killer Chad Daybell

www.the-independent.com

Some of this information comes from an email sent from my professional address to the prison.

Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI) | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

His plea deal, when finalized by Judge H, may include a ban on any book deals, but even if not, I do believe media policies at IMSI will not allow it.

IMO

 

[LAborn]

I didn't watch the whole thing but I found this very very disturbing. First, he doubles down on telling people to call Judge Hippler--who had nothing to do with the plea deal and who has held the defense to very high standards. Then he insults people from the state of Pennsylvania, as if where BK was from originally has anything to do with his psychopathy. Then he talks to BK as if this whole investigation and trial is just an instrument for SG to defeat BK, about who "wins." SG has lost the plot here; a trial is to determine if someone is guilty, not to provide revenge or a "winner." Finally, he essentially calls for prison justice, i.e., murder for BK, calling him a "Pennsylvania city body" who should get a "gift" from the righteous Idaho residents house in a max security prison. He's encouraging people to commit murder.

Yeah, I get that he's a grieving father. And no one here will cry when BK meets his Maker, whenever that day happens. But this guy is distorting peoples' view of the justice system, which delivered an actual confession to the murder of his daughter and three others. There are thousands of cases where there is never even a suspect identified, let alone a trial, and let alone a confession. I would hold a damn party if Brooks Houck confessed to murder or the last two Wagners gave up and confessed. This is the tip off that SG's rage is entirely misplaced. He's angry at everyone standing in the way of his personal ending of BK's life.

And Ashley Banfield is an exploitive ghoul to sit there and have no response to what SG said. MOO. MOO. MOO.

Well said!!! I was tiptoeing around, but you said everything I thought and felt when I watched it. Thanks for expressing it so well!

 

[Arkay]

I didn't watch the whole thing but I found this very very disturbing. First, he doubles down on telling people to call Judge Hippler--who had nothing to do with the plea deal and who has held the defense to very high standards. Then he insults people from the state of Pennsylvania, as if where BK was from originally has anything to do with his psychopathy. Then he talks to BK as if this whole investigation and trial is just an instrument for SG to defeat BK, about who "wins." SG has lost the plot here; a trial is to determine if someone is guilty, not to provide revenge or a "winner." Finally, he essentially calls for prison justice, i.e., murder for BK, calling him a "Pennsylvania city body" who should get a "gift" from the righteous Idaho residents house in a max security prison. He's encouraging people to commit murder.

Yeah, I get that he's a grieving father. And no one here will cry when BK meets his Maker, whenever that day happens. But this guy is distorting peoples' view of the justice system, which delivered an actual confession to the murder of his daughter and three others. There are thousands of cases where there is never even a suspect identified, let alone a trial, and let alone a confession. I would hold a damn party if Brooks Houck confessed to murder or the last two Wagners gave up and confessed. This is the tip off that SG's rage is entirely misplaced. He's angry at everyone standing in the way of his personal ending of BK's life.

And Ashley Banfield is an exploitive ghoul to sit there and have no response to what SG said. MOO. MOO. MOO.

Brava!

 

[wary]

And think about this: he is pretty young, I think he is 30- he has 40 or 50 years ahead of him to live in some horrible prison----- there are people that believe that is worse than the death penalty.

Note that many murderers don’t believe that it’s worse than the death penalty.

 

[wendy44]

I think it's in the court record that they used MyHeritage and GEDMatch. There are two "sides" to GEDMatch. One is public where anyone can upload DNA kits. The advantage to sites like MyHeritage and GEDMatch is that you can compare kits from sites that only allow upload of their own kits. For example, ancestry and 23&me only allow you to see results from kits purchased from them. So if you're trying to compare your DNA from ancestry to someone who has a kit on 23&me, you can both load your kits to GEDMatch and compare.

Law enforcement can't upload a DNA profile to ancestry or 23&me.

The other "side" of GEDMatch is for use by law enforcement. Law enforcement can upload a DNA profile and compare it to anyone who has uploaded a kit to GEDMatch and has given permission for their kit to be used by law enforcement. It's obviously a smaller database of kits to use for comparison.

There was testimony that the defense's IGG expert viewed work product that indicated the FBI had loaded BK's profile to the public side as well as the law enforcement side, which is a violation of terms of service, though not illegal or unconstitutional.
JMO

 

[Arkay]

Note that many murderers don’t believe that it’s worse than the death penalty.

Well, it’s a done deal now.

The days in prison will creak by slowly. Then years. Then decades.

Only Bryan will know someday if he’d rather have been put to death, and I don’t think he’s exactly much of a sharer, so we won’t know.

I hope to forget about him soon enough.

IMO

 

[ilovewings]

Well said!!! I was tiptoeing around, but you said everything I thought and felt when I watched it. Thanks for expressing it so well!

Ditto to everything said about SG and Banfield

 

[meatandcookies]

I thought it was MyHeritage, which is technically not open to law enforcement to search for a criminal match? Maybe I am wrong, but I recall it being a workaround-if they were to find a relative, the only person that would have standing in a case against LE would be the actual individual whose record was accessed. Not BK. Not sure how distant that relative is. All about the tree builders.

It was MyHeritage per Dateline.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Other posters on this forum have stated that they have bought a K-bar sheath without buying the knife. The k-bar sheath fits other knife brands and is a popular sheath. So apparently you don't have to buy the sheath as a pair with the knife, they are sold separately.

This post reminds me that at the time of the purchase, BK also purchased the knife sharpener from Amazon. There was a post way back with a photo of it. The sharpener was never found. I wonder if when BK took that long ride to Costco, Kate's Cup of Joe, Albertson's, etc., that he didn't give it a toss in the river to join the knife and whatever else he may have tossed. (But I always thought he buried his kill kit in order to have his trophies close by).

And this reminds me, what WAS it he bought at Albertson's? Just wondering...

 

[10ofRods]

BK came prepared to commit a crime -- SA (as he might define it), murder or murders, abduction, some combination of the above.

He took precautions to prevent bringing trace in and took precautions to print trace coming out. This was different than the 23 other times because this time his phone was off.

Burglary is the right starter charge because he broke in with the intent to do violence.

It was a house rented by women.

Whom he attacked at night in or near their beds. That has sexual overtones, regardless of what else he did or didn't do, making it a sexually motivated crime. Misogyny to the hilt. Literally.

A woman's worst nightmare.

JMO

I can't quite put into words all the ways in which I agree with you and how the plea change has worked to make me believe that he might have entered the house with a willingness to kill, if the SA went wrongly. Like many rapists he would be willing to kill the victim if she screamed.

But he was thinking burglary and SA and ended up making himself the center of one of the nation's most riveting recent murder cases. I agree it was a sexually motivated crime and he might not have been able to complete it in the way he envisioned, in any case (which of course would be the woman's thought and he was willing to kill her for that reason as well, especially in his fantasy life; he had probably fantasized killing many times, growing increasingly fixated on one target).

He probably also told himself (without at all using his already feeble intelligence/rationality) that he'd kill any witnesses.

A cartoonish way to go about planning a crime, not the experienced work of someone who started out with burglary and then stalking and peeping (I believe BK probably had done some of those and never gotten caught, but he skipped to mass murder with no real reflection on how finely tuned LE forensics would be). He might have been able to parrot rubrics in criminology (esp in online courses), but in real time, his brain was not highly functional/adaptable and shows little integration of upper functions. Hence his treatment of his students and his altercations with a professor.

His level of prep and his car maneuvers in particular are consistent with what he thought might be SA (hence the mask etc, he expected to be seen - by MM, IMO).

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Note that many murderers don’t believe that it’s worse than the death penalty.

But some do. The Battle of Alcatraz in 1946 shows half of the perps wanting to go out through death and the other half preferring prison (they already knew what prison was, of course). Of the three who didn't die, two got the death penalty anyway and went peacefully.

I've always thought BK reminded me of Gary Gilmore (the man who went to Utah because it 1) had the death penalty and 2) had the death penalty via firing squad, his preference. He then killed 2 people, as he knew just murdering one might have resulted in life in prison (maybe).

Of course, BK studied/emulated a series of killers. And while I believe he thought of himself as only starting a long criminal career on that night in Moscow, it was important to him to get the "cred" of the death penalty if in fact he was caught. I truly think he didn't expect to be caught so soon or for the crime he originally intended.

IMO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I think BK took additional counter measures that may have been missed.

Doctoring his license plate perhaps.
Leaving the crime scene into Washington, then doubling back to Idaho, before returning home. What it gained him, I don't know. Maybe a decoy stop and drop.

Manipulating his phone. Failed. Turning it back on when/where he did defies any logic I can access.

Left by way of country roads.

The sheath, if intentional, was intended to point blame elsewhere, believing he'd scrubbed the sheath clean of his DNA.

I think he had full confidence in the generic invisibility of his white sedan. Thankfully the blindness there was his.

Until LE could attach his DNA to a name, that Elantra was LE's best clue -- find the car, you find the criminal. And look, his appearance doesn't not fit the eye witness account and his DNA is an astronomic statistical match.

And now he has plead guilty to all charges and will be sentenced in a couple weeks.

Meanwhile, Scott Peterson is still exhausting appeals, decades later... an open wound for those who loved Laci. This case, in contrast, is solved, guilt determined beyond now all doubt. The losses remain but no further trauma by trial, no agony over deliberations, no lifetime of painful appeals.

I look forward to forgetting his name.

JMO

I look forward to the one or two good books written about this case that fill in the details of what we don't know--although I think there's not that much important that we don't know.

I'll add to your excellent Scott Peterson example the Chris Watts example, who muddied the waters before he confessed by accusing his wife of killing those kids, a victim who continues to be vilified on social media to this day.

 

[Chloegirl]

I am real tired of Ashleigh Banfield!!!!

Oh come on! Don't you know she is the new Nancy Grace? LOL Just kidding she is definitely overly emotional in terms of her reporting style (stating the obvious).

 

[gremlin444]

Oh come on! Don't you know she is the new Nancy Grace? LOL Just kidding she is definitely overly emotional in terms of her reporting style (stating the obvious).

Speaking of.....Nancy Grace put out a video an hour ago going off on the prosecution (possibly the judge too...not sure because I've not go the stomach to make myself watch the whole thing).

 

[NottaYutz]

I think it's even possible he wasn't even going to kill anyone at all. So much as 'hot stalk' and maybe hold hostage MM or abduct her at knife point. Well imagine leaving home with a deviant stalking or rape / sexual violation plan and it turns into wholesale slaughter of multiple people.

I've contemplated the same, that he went to just terrorize MM and it backfired spectacularly. I don't see any way he knew Kaylee was sleeping in her bed when he entered the house. And it was that surprise that caused him to leave the sheath.

"The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." ~Robert Burns

 

[wendy44]

Okay, it took me a while to find because this hearing was a lot earlier than I remembered. In May 2024 AT was still trying to nail down the fact that everything came from the IGG, even though the PCA didn't mention it at all. Here she's asking Brett Payne what he relied on to obtain the search warrants and the discussion about the WSU campus officer starts about 17:23.

AT: "Part of your affidavit talks about WSU officers finding white Elantras and I believe there was an officer that you had some communication with. Do you recall the date you had that communication?"

BP: "I do not recall the date."

AT: "Did you have some messaging system exchange with this officer to talk about that?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "Is that the only means of communication you had with this officer?"

BP: "No, ma'am, I believe I spoke to him on the telephone as well."

AT: "When you spoke to him on the telephone how did that relate to the date of the messaging?"

BP: "It would have likely been, if memory services, it would have likely been that same day."

AT: "Okay. Does December 20th 2022 sound familiar to you?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "And so this conversation with this officer from Washington, it related backwards to when he noticed an Elantra, is that right?"

BP: "Yes, ma'am."

AT: "But when he noticed it, you didn't know about that yet, is that correct?"

BP: "That is correct."

AT: "Okay, so you don't know about him or talk to him until December 20th 2022, correct?"

BP: "That's correct."

They really had nothing without the name from the IGG and with IGG untested in higher courts, they did the right thing in making this deal.
JMO