GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[Ghostwheel]

What do you mean by “But” the criminal trial was over? This one is over too, by way of the plea.

You'd have to read all the way back. Nutshell: wrongful death has a time limit for filing of 2 years from what someone else posted. This trial wasn't finished in 2 years. It is now past the time limit to file a civil suit for wrongful death. I was trying to figure out how someone could file for wrongful death in a civil suit before the 2 years were up when the criminal case was still open, especially if you need the evidence from the criminal case.

 

[jcamh]

I missed that part. Did he say DM said container or they (Prosecution) believed it was a container?

Buy container, I think it could have been a black bucket with a handle to make it easy to carry. Or, could the contain have been a "kill kit" with the knife, duct tape, and anything else he may need.

 

[jcamh]

One thing that I don't think has been discusses or I could easily have missed it is that I have heard several people say that there were "carvings" on KG and on EC's legs. What do you think the carvings were of? and why do you think BK would carve anything into the victims?

 

[MassGuy]

I wasn't really impressed. Some interviews with friends close to the victims, but nothing new. Dateline was much better in terms of evidence, and this was more focused towards the casual observer, perhaps not all that familiar with this case.

It's the Prime one I'm looking forward to.

 

[Ghostwheel]

The knife sheath had a Marine insignia on it.

So IF it was left on purpose by BK (I haven't seen this stated as fact anywhere, will wait to see if this has come out recently from an approved source), it has been speculated by some, including myself, from very early on, that it was a red herring or a ruse or diversion left to point to the killer being a Marine or associated with someone with ties to being one.

MOO

I just want to say, and no disrespect to anyone who might have thought the killer was stupid enough to have thought it could be a "red herring" pointing to a marine. The killer would have to be a moron to think that. Anyone can buy one of those. As we have all seen. You can buy one for Army, Navy, Marines. I don't think there is one for Air Force.

If he did think it would point anywhere, especially being brand new and all, takes high IQ right out of the running, IMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

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I wasn't really impressed. Some interviews with friends close to the victims, but nothing new. Dateline was much better in terms of evidence, and this was more focused towards the casual observer, perhaps not all that familiar with this case.

It's the Prime one I'm looking forward to.

Could Amazon have gotten luckier with timing? I wonder it they are scrambling to add anything.

 

[Ghostwheel]

One thing that I don't think has been discusses or I could easily have missed it is that I have heard several people say that there were "carvings" on KG and on EC's legs. What do you think the carvings were of? and why do you think BK would carve anything into the victims?

I don't believe it has been said what it entailed, except I only recall EC not KG (I don't know that I am correct). "Carve" has different meanings, so it could be many things. Trying to leave a message or symbol. Trying to make sure someone cannot get up and follow you (cut ligaments). Simply being freakish and making cuts. Something far, far worse I won't mention. This information may or may not come out when the gag order is lifted. jmo.

 

[Boxer]

I wondered why BK looked different at court this time.

Then I realized it was his brows, he was lacking bushy eyebrows, almost shaved looking.
His lack of eyebrows makes me think he was indeed preparing to go through with the trial, but something changed.
Since his brow is prominent, with out eyebrows be looks skull like. And his shirt was very strange, gathered at the neck.

 

[Swansee]

Uggghh I am so frustrated with the way this last hearing unfolded. No explanation of anything. The only thing of value was when BK answered Yes to the question: "are you pleading guilty because you are guilty?".
All along we've been told all our questions would be answered at trial, because the prosecution had soooooo much more than what was in the PCA. And instead when it was his turn to speak BT basically just read us the PCA. They had nothing more? Really? How didappointing.
BK is guilty. That doesn't even begin to answer the why. I guess there will be no allocution and we and the families will be left to speculate forever. How can one have closure in without an explanation. This is the part that feels most unfair.
All JMO!

 

[jcamh]

I wondered why BK looked different at court this time.

Then I realized it was his brows, he was lacking bushy eyebrows, almost shaved looking.
His lack of eyebrows makes me think he was indeed preparing to go through with the trial, but something changed.
Since his brow is prominent, with out eyebrows be looks skull like. And his shirt was very strange, gathered at the neck.

Plus, his hair was much shorter, but the main difference was that his hair was lighter than the dark brown that we've seen. I wonder if down under the dark brown, his hair was starting to turn grayish.

 

[al66pine]

ID. Victims' Rights. Being advised of proposed plea agreement

Some posters have patiently explained various motions, responses, & ct. orders in this case. Hoping one will post a response to this Q.

If, per ID statute's ¶(3) below, the court (either Judge Judge or Judge Hippler) designated representatives from the immediate families to exercise statutory rights on behalf of each of the four deceased victims, I've missed it.
Anyone recall seeing it?
If the court did designate a rep, could the order be in one of the many sealed documents?

When a deceased victim's immed. family includes divorced or estranged parents, I wonder whether a judge would be inclined to designate only one of the two.
________________________________________________________

Rights of victim during investigation, prosecution​

"(1) Each victim of a criminal ... offense shall be:

"(f) Afforded the opportunity to communicate with the prosecution in criminal ... offenses, and be advised of any proposed plea agreement by the prosecuting attorney prior to entering into a plea agreement in criminal... offenses involving crimes of violence, sex crimes or crimes against children;
"(3) The provisions of this section shall apply equally to the immediate families of homicide victims.... The court may designate a representative from the immediate family to exercise these rights on behalf of a deceased... victim." bbm ubm

https://codes.findlaw.com/id/title-19-criminal-procedure/id-st-sect-19-5306/

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think he'll speak at the sentencing hearing, either.

With regard to the court "requiring" BK to speak at the sentencing hearing, I believe he will be asked if there is anything he wants to say, but the court cannot compel speech.

If there had been an agreement in the plea deal negotiation that BK would say certain things at the hearing, then that would be different, BK would have agreed to that as part of the plea deal. But my understanding is that the plea agreement between BK and the prosecution does not contain this kind of agreement.

Agree about BK not speaking during sentencing, he's never going to give those touched by this tragedy answers. Bill Thompson did say the State would be divulging more info during the sentencing phase.

I am most curious as to how BK will react sitting there listening to the victim impact statements? Will he zone out and sit there like a lump of coal, or will he be affected in any way?

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I guess they could have filed, and then had it paused until the criminal trial was over.

Could be, Kelsey Berreth's mother did that in the Frazee case.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941743125346856974

"It was very tense in the courtroom.
Very tense but very silent.
The media had been told to not show any emotion in the courtroom,
and I wonder if the families were told that because they were so intense,
they were staring at Kohberger very strongly.
They were staring at the judge very strongly,
but I did not see actual emotion coming out of them except from Kaylee Goncalves’ aunt.

When the prosecutor said,
'We have still never found the knife,
the murder weapon',
I looked at Kohberger.
I wanted to see if there was a reaction because there’s one person that knows where that murder weapon is, and it’s him.
There was no reaction to that.
He didn’t move a muscle in his face.

Kohberger never once looked at the courtroom, looked at the people in the courtroom.
He was in a stoic gaze with no emotion whatsoever."

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do you think he will? What is one thing you would like to hear him say?

For me: I think Kohberger got off lightly from the moment of his arrest all the way up to the plea hearing. The Court process and its actors for the most part bent over backwards procedurally - to accommodate, protect and insulate him.

Obviously being locked up forever is about as severe a penalty as one can suffer, however I would like to see Judge Hippler set aside all niceties, mince no words and absolutely come at Kohberger at sentencing. No tiptoeing or sanitising the message: tell him what he is...a monster who hopefully will fade into obscurity as soon as possible.

I truly believe you will get your wish. Judge Hippler is not one to mince words.

 

[Sachi]

I wondered why BK looked different at court this time.

Then I realized it was his brows, he was lacking bushy eyebrows, almost shaved looking.
His lack of eyebrows makes me think he was indeed preparing to go through with the trial, but something changed.
Since his brow is prominent, with out eyebrows be looks skull like. And his shirt was very strange, gathered at the neck.

With you , right after plea, I enlarged stills too and those brows were certainly disappeared looking and exactly as you have said.. skull like, he had a hollow look and the shirt weirdness too, as if it was almost pinched at the neck.

 

[Tealgrove]

Agree about BK not speaking during sentencing, he's never going to give those touched by this tragedy answers. Bill Thompson did say the State would be divulging more info during the sentencing phase.

I am most curious as to how BK will react sitting there listening to the victim impact statements? Will he zone out and sit there like a lump of coal, or will he be affected in any way?

MOO

Personally, I think he will be unaffected.

He doesn’t care that his victim’s families are broken people. He doesn’t care about what anyone has to say because emotion is lost on him.

He’s not remorseful. He’s not going to say he’s sorry because he’s not. He did what he wanted and then some. That’s where any emotion comes into play for him. Self serving emotion.

I hope SG gives a victim impact statement. He needs to. This will be his one and only chance. If there is any emotion shown, it might be here. BK needs to be afraid of SG. He should be.

And to be clear, he doesn’t care about his family either.

I do believe he feels nothing. I’m not surprised by his utterances online many years ago indicating as much.

All BK cares about is himself. If he sheds a tear or looks concerned, it’s only for himself and his failure at getting away with this heinous crime.

Thankfully he’s not as smart as he thinks he is. The sheath! He forgot the sheath and it led straight to him.

MOO

 

[Moon1871]

Plus, his hair was much shorter, but the main difference was that his hair was lighter than the dark brown that we've seen. I wonder if down under the dark brown, his hair was starting to turn grayish.

Yup, that’s what prison does to you. Grey hair, pale skin. And probably the vegan options in jail, soy milk and faux-pork sausage, don’t help either.

It just dawned on me: the guy is a vegan. Why? Ethical concerns about animal welfare?
But killing humans is okay. No concerns at all about human life.


MOO

 

[Sachi]

Personally, I think he will be unaffected.

He doesn’t care that his victim’s families are broken people. He doesn’t care about what anyone has to say because emotion is lost on him.

He’s not remorseful. He’s not going to say he’s sorry because he’s not. He did what he wanted and then some. That’s where any emotion comes into play for him. Self serving emotion.

I hope SG gives a victim impact statement. He needs to. This will be his one and only chance. If there is any emotion shown, it might be here. BK needs to be afraid of SG. He should be.

And to be clear, he doesn’t care about his family either.

I do believe he feels nothing. I’m not surprised by his utterances online many years ago indicating as much.

All BK cares about is himself. If he sheds a tear or looks concerned, it’s only for himself and his failure at getting away with this heinous crime.

Thankfully he’s not as smart as he thinks he is. The sheath! He forgot the sheath and it led straight to him.

MOO

It's the truth. He cares about no one.
And relative to all of this..
I have been chewing on this a bit confused since she is an expert.
KR said-
"If he wanted to do that, I know that he's got the intellectual capacity to do it, to be self-reflective".

She believes this?






MOO

 

[Nichevo]

Studies have shown that the neurobiology of murderers is different from the rest of the population.

Here's the abstract for one recent study:

Aberrant brain gray matter in murderers​

"Homicide is a significant societal problem with economic costs in the billions of dollars annually and incalculable emotional impact on victims and society. Despite this high burden, we know very little about the neuroscience of individuals who commit homicide. Here we examine brain gray matter differences in incarcerated adult males who have committed homicide (n=203) compared to other non-homicide offenders (n = 605; total n = 808). Homicide offenders’ show reduced gray matter in brain areas critical for behavioral control and social cognition compared with subsets of other violent and non-violent offenders. This demonstrates, for the first time, that unique brain abnormalities may distinguish offenders who kill from other serious violent offenders and non-violent antisocial individuals."

That is interesting. I wonder if this shows up in individuals who have never shown any tendencies toward murder but then murder a spouse. Do they also lack behavioral control?