GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[Warwick7]

Yes, the victims parents have no reason to lie about BK having contacted their daughters on social media. I have no idea why LE chose not to disclose this information prior to trial or why it's been constantly misreported in the media. I believe the parents. This was NO Random murder. BK used U of Idaho as his hunting grounds and stalked his victims.

Bam!!!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Maybe once the gag order is lifted you'll have the "proof" you're looking for. To me if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. We have critical thinking skills and enough evidence to connect a lot of dots. And the mother of one of the murder victims is going to be dogged about getting to the facts, probably more so than LE. And frankly, more reliable. Don't we all know that from seeing it time and time again?

I don't because I have a different life experience where it gets conjectured that the killer in a certain instance did X, Y and Z because of these things "everyone" believed. But it turned out none of those things were true, so the killer didn't do X, Y and Z for any of the reasons "everyone" believed, because the beliefs were wrong and that information eventually came out. We still have no idea why the killer did X, Y and Z for this case. I acknowledge I look at things differently because of it. I don't stay locked into "It can only be this" unless and until there is enough confirmed information (not hot takes on MSM or someone says something that no one can confirm) that points to exactly what something is. I might have an opinion on the duck, but I can still wonder about why that thing that is walking and quacking like a duck looks like a Coot . JMO.

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[Ghostwheel]

Well on the 23rd you may get your wish.

I can hope.

 

[Cedars]

... the beliefs were wrong and that information eventually came out.

How did the 'true' information come out?

To me, the only person who can truly say what was in BK's mind is BK, and why would he tell anyone about his deepest, darkest inner secrets (even if he understood them, which many people don't).

I recall, when someone asked Paul Bernardo why he and Karla raped and murdered their victims he said something along the lines of 'it was just something we were into'.

The FBI asked Chris Watts and all he could say was it was like something snapped inside him...which I don't believe as he probably premeditated the whole thing. The one explanation he never gave was that he wanted to instantly get rid of his family so he could be unencumbered with his girlfriend...

JMO

 

[LinasK]

How did the 'true' information come out?

To me, the only person who can truly say what was in BK's mind is BK, and why would he tell anyone about his deepest, darkest inner secrets (even if he understood them, which many people don't).

I recall, when someone asked Paul Bernardo why he and Karla raped and murdered their victims he said something along the lines of 'it was just something we were into'.

The FBI asked Chris Watts and all he could say was it was like something snapped inside him...which I don't believe as he probably premeditated the whole thing. The one explanation he never gave was that he wanted to instantly get rid of his family so he could be unencumbered with his girlfriend...

JMO

The victims parents have stated that their daughters were stalked. You really think they'd lie about that??? I find them far more credible than anything a convicted killer has to say.

 

[Cedars]

The victims parents have stated that their daughters were stalked. You really think they'd lie about that??? I find them far more credible than anything a convicted killer has to say.

True, but my assumption is that stalking is not the same as killing.

 

[LinasK]

True, but my assumption is that stalking is not the same as killing.

It's a precurser. He killed them after having stalked them.

 

[LAborn]

I don't because I have a different life experience where it gets conjectured that the killer in a certain instance did X, Y and Z because of these things "everyone" believed. But it turned out none of those things were true, so the killer didn't do X, Y and Z for any of the reasons "everyone" believed, because the beliefs were wrong and that information eventually came out. We still have no idea why the killer did X, Y and Z for this case. I acknowledge I look at things differently because of it. I don't stay locked into "It can only be this" unless and until there is enough confirmed information (not hot takes on MSM or someone says something that no one can confirm) that points to exactly what something is. I might have an opinion on the duck, but I can still wonder about why that thing that is walking and quacking like a duck looks like a Coot . JMO.

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I'm not assuming anything or going along with "what everyone believes". That's not how I roll at all. I'm looking at information available from credible sources so far: LE, prosecution, family and friends. I don't watch MSM. I mean, you're not going to have the answers you're wanting until BK speaks out, which is fine, but why ask for "proof" when you know it's not available? That's futile. I'm of the opinion that much can be deduced based on facts, history and background.

 

[LinasK]

I'm not assuming anything or going along with "what everyone believes". That's not how I roll at all. I'm looking at information available from credible sources so far: LE, prosecution, family and friends. I don't watch MSM. I mean, you're not going to have the answers you're wanting until BK speaks out, which is fine, but why ask for "proof" when you know it's not available? That's futile. I'm of the opinion that much can be deduced based on facts, history and background.

Exactly. Kohlberger may never admit that he stalked them, but the fact is that he did. The photos Dateline aired on his phone prove it.

 

[LAborn]

True, but my assumption is that stalking is not the same as killing.

They were stalked (or at least one was) and then killed. I trust the family members know better than anyone other than BK.

 

[Luna20]

True, but my assumption is that stalking is not the same as killing.

In his case it was a precursor for death. Stalking is to gain info on victims for a purpose. His purpose was to murder.

 

[LinasK]

In his case it was a precursor for death. Stalking is to gain info on victims for a purpose. His purpose was to murder.

Yes the Dateline video shows the girls TikTok posts where they show the interior with the stairwells and sliders to the house. Poor girls had no idea how much information they were revealing and to whom...

 

[Cedars]

They were stalked (or at least one was) and then killed. I trust the family members know better than anyone other than BK.

Sorry, I thought people were asking 'why' not 'how'.

Plenty of people stalk but never kill. They may suffer deeply from unrequited love, for years, but it never occurs to them to kill their target.

 

[LinasK]

Sorry, I thought people were asking 'why' not 'how'.

Plenty of people stalk but never kill. They may suffer deeply from unrequited love, for years, but it never occurs to them to kill their target.

And yet many killers ARE stalkers. Like the killer of actress Rebecca Shaeffer. Stalking is a very dangerous behavior.

 

[LAborn]

Sorry, I thought people were asking 'why' not 'how'.

Plenty of people stalk but never kill. They may suffer deeply from unrequited love, for years, but it never occurs to them to kill their target.

Not to be argumentative, but we're talking about this specific case, not all people who stalk. I never stated that all people who stalk, kill. I can look up the numbers if you want though, keep things accurate.

 

[LAborn]

And yet many killers ARE stalkers. Like the killer of actress Rebecca Shaeffer. Stalking is a very dangerous behavior.

She was one of the first people that came to mind. And Drew Carey's former fiance, Amie Harwick.

 

[Cedars]

Not to be argumentative, but we're talking about this specific case, not all people who stalk. I never stated that all people who stalk, kill. I can look up the numbers if you want though, keep things accurate.

I am pointing to what can be identified as cause, in this case. If the stalking caused him to kill them, why did he buy the murder weapon before he left Pennsylvania?

 

[Cedars]

And yet many killers ARE stalkers. Like the killer of actress Rebecca Shaeffer. Stalking is a very dangerous behavior.

I would say the stalking in such cases is a symptom of a murderous obsession.

 

[LAborn]

I am pointing to what can be identified as cause, in this case. If the stalking caused him to kill them, why did he buy the murder weapon before he left Pennsylvania?

He bought the knife in preparation (I'm guessing he's had this fantasy for awhile based on his behavior in the criminology department at DeSales and classmates' interviews), then he scoped out the scene in Idaho after he moved to WA and zeroed in on his target. Probably was smart enough not to stalk and kill a student at his own university.

Do you have a theory?

 

[LinasK]

He bought the knife in preparation (I'm guessing he's had this fantasy for awhile based on his behavior in the criminology department at DeSales and classmates' interviews), then he scoped out the scene in Idaho after he moved to WA and zeroed in on his his target. Probably was smart enough not to stalk and kill a student at his own university.

Yeah, I wondered why he didn't zoom in on WSU. Probably didn't want to soil the nest, or figured it was too easy to link to him.