GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[girlhasnoname]

The Murderer did attend DeSales in person for his BA. He received his Bachelors in Psychology in 2018 (pre Covid) and his Masters in Criminal Justice in 2022. Those classes were mainly online.

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Bryan Kohberger received both undergraduate and graduate degrees from DeSales University, a private Catholic college in Center Valley, Pennsylvania.

As a commuter student, Kohberger came and went from DeSales' campus during his undergraduate psychology studies. A fellow student who worked on a lab project with the Murderer said he kept to himself, and didn't show any outward signs of something more menacing.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

His tagline here isn't lost on me...

 

[cottonweaver]

That all sounds reasonable looking back, IMO, good points.

If he went to Kaylee's former bedroom first & saw Murphy & not her, and then shut the door & went to Maddie's room & we all know what happened then....

Because my strong suit is not like some/alot of awesome WSers here who have detailed timelines of "the facts" they have written out & can pull up to hone in...

Just wondering how the above scenario could be reckoned with, IIRC, Dylan's testimony that she (paraphrasing) heard "noises & rough housing & the dog barking" when she was trying to sleep & thought it was Kaylee up late playing with Murphy.

JMO

He'd have to reopen Kaylee's bedroom door again. ( The door was found open by LEO Nunes) Not saying that didn't happen but he's supposed to be in a fight/chase with Xana once he exits MM's room

The other reason to assume that Kaylee spent night in MM's bed was pointed out by another WS-er yesterday - Kaylee is on the left side of the bed too. ( If anybody knows different please correct but afaik, LH side of bed is bounded by a wall)

Sorry forgotten name of WSer to credit them. So Kaylee is ' trapped' at the wall adjacent to the bed afaik.
here it is in LEO Gunderson's report instead.

on the issue of Dylan hearing KG playing with Murphy and Dylan at one point hearing KG scream -

I think that's all up in the air. Dylan is groggy & traumatized and although she says in one of her witness statements ' I know Kaylee's voice ' Dylan's later comments give impression she might have confused Xana and Kaylee's voices. ( It's in the documents, she thinks it's Kaylee going upstairs when its apparently Xana)

 

[snooptroop88]

So we see, sadly, that Pappa Rodger CANNOT be added to the growing list of names for You Know Who:

• The murderer
• The killer
• He Who Must Not Be Named
• The Loser
• LOSER
• IDOC #163214

or my current favorite:

• Grendel

(the monster from Beowulf, thank you @pittsburghgirl)

ADDITIONAL SOURCES

Quick take:

No link between Bryan Kohberger and 'Pappa Rodger' account, investigators confirm

Full press conference with the Moscow Police Department, Idaho State Police and prosecutors that took place after the sentencing hearing on Wednesday, July 23 (definitely worth a look if you missed it):

I don't really know what to call him.

Grim Reaper? Bad Seed? Mr. Missing Heart? Waste of Air and Space? The Black Hole? Gollum? Cipher? Questionably Human?

Sheath Leaver? Sheath-Leaving Liar? Sheath-Leaving Murderer?? Sheath-Leaving Gutless Wonder??? Walking Zero? Convicted by the Moon and Stars? Lunar Liar? Prison4Ever Boy?

iHeartBundy Boy? (and yet)... 2Stupid2Escape? Straight Outta Brain Cells? Straight Outta Lies?? Straight outta defense attorneys?? Not fryin, still cryin?

Happiness Hater? EpicFail? iHeartHate Boy? There's Nothing Inside? "Shake me! I'm empty."

Right now, leaning towards Prison4Ever Boy and 2Stupid2Escape. (Or sheath-leaving liar, just plain murderer's already taken.) But seriously, there's not really anything bad enough to capture the essence of this fiend, jmo. He created real and profound tragedy that people will never recover from.

It's beyond words it is so sad. Am I glad he's in prison? Of course. But he can never right his horrendous wrong. What's even creepier to me is I doubt he would even now if given the opportunity. Bad seed really would suit him, jmo.

 

[Spacemonkey1975]

Just some context to BK's mom writing a letter to the editor about Bundy's execution for those who were too young to remember that time (or weren't even born yet):

I was a high school junior in a small town in central Illinois at the time. When I was getting ready for school that morning, it literally was being discussed between songs on local radio by the DJs. When I got home from school, it was on the evening news with clips of the jeering crowds showing the people essentially tailgating outside the prison--singing songs, wearing "Fry, Bundy, Fry" t-shirts, etc. I even remember other kids talking about it at school that day.

Even people who didn't pay attention to "true crime" at the time would have had a hard time not knowing about it if they had watched television news (both local and national programs), read local/national papers, or listened to the radio.

I’m pretty sure I remember DJ is on the radio hyping it as dead Ted, Tuesday or something or other

 

[cottonweaver]

The Patterson book* makes it pretty clear that it was not a mere difference of opinion with an egotistical professor or slightly off-kilter grading standards that got him booted out of WSU—BK simply could not adhere to the basic professional norms of higher education, having rude and explosive disagreements with his professors/the chair of his program, and just totally ignoring the lifelines the program tried to throw him (first it was a meeting with the guy he was TAing for, who suggested he stop being openly contemptuous towards his female undergrad students and grading them as though they were grad students; he insisted on having a discussion with the students to “explain” his grading standards [IMO the purpose of this “meeting” was merely for BK to dare them to lodge their complaints to his face/intimidate the students who complained into silence]. After that “meeting” went predictably poorly,BK simply stopped showing up to TA, and on Nov. 3 he was sent a Performance Improvement Plan which he apparently did not even acknowledge).
All this to say that I would be hard-pressed to imagine any of his graduate school professors believing he might fare better in some other Ph.D. program elsewhere—HE himself was the problem, not the graduate program he was in nor the undergrad students he couldn’t even deign to treat with basic respect.
*See chapters 37 and 41.

I thought all those book chapters on WSU were some of the strongest in the book.

I can't recall his name now but there was another PhD candidate/TA - maybe with the name of Ben? - in his early forties. He has some sharp observations on his deficiencies

off the top of my head - somebody else will be able to double check/quote from the book itself

- when Loserberger got into a rage, he'd typically go red in the face and clench his knuckles
- he expressed surprise that anybody could get into a rage about Prof Snyder ( can't recall the details now, gist of it was that Snyder was easy-going, nice guy)
- The TA accepted a lift home with him, to learn more about him. He tells the author that he was homophobic as well as misogynist but he wanted to talk about girls and wanted a girlfriend.
- He didn't understand why Loser would want to be in a ' progressive' dept when so many of the staff were experts in crime and naturally in specialist subjects about violence against women. Kinda why are you even here at WSU? (Knowing what we know now eg knife bought in March 2022 & packed with his belongings when he arrives in June, I can't help wondering......)
- Ben describes him as a creep or creepy. Ben didn't tell Loser that he was gay.
- it might be the same TA Ben - not sure - who tells author that he thinks or knows Loser is a virgin at 28 yo.
- Ben almost submitted a welfare concern form on BK, sometime after the murders. ( Can't remember why he didn't follow through)

( considering the number of quotes from senior staff, got the impression that somebody on staff at WSU collaborated with the author. As per @Warwick7 's timeline a few pages back, WSU was onto him fast. OTOH still 'crickets' from De Sales)

 

[AngTxGal]

IMO

I dont think they would have a hard time figuring it out. if she didnt eat it, the food would still be in the bag, ( compare to what was delivered)
how it ended up there?
if you look at that New York post article from Jan 5 University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

it shows 2 pics, same dishes on the counter as in the sink. same starbucks cup, same lipstick on the straw, same levels of liquid, so it looks like someone ( forensics?) must have moved things for testing, when it was appropriate to do so. No idea if that JITB was always there, but its not in the table pic.. View attachment 604210View attachment 604211

What struck me about those pictures, back when they first came out, is that there are no blinds or curtains on the kitchen window.
Notice how clearly you can see into the house from the outside.
That kitchen window is toward the back of the house from Xana’s room, iirc.

Terrifyingly creepy to imagine someone watching them, and if they had binoculars they could be a great distance and go unnoticed.
IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

The Patterson book* makes it pretty clear that it was not a mere difference of opinion with an egotistical professor or slightly off-kilter grading standards that got him booted out of WSU—BK simply could not adhere to the basic professional norms of higher education, having rude and explosive disagreements with his professors/the chair of his program, and just totally ignoring the lifelines the program tried to throw him (first it was a meeting with the guy he was TAing for, who suggested he stop being openly contemptuous towards his female undergrad students and grading them as though they were grad students; he insisted on having a discussion with the students to “explain” his grading standards [IMO the purpose of this “meeting” was merely for BK to dare them to lodge their complaints to his face/intimidate the students who complained into silence]. After that “meeting” went predictably poorly,BK simply stopped showing up to TA, and on Nov. 3 he was sent a Performance Improvement Plan which he apparently did not even acknowledge).
All this to say that I would be hard-pressed to imagine any of his graduate school professors believing he might fare better in some other Ph.D. program elsewhere—HE himself was the problem, not the graduate program he was in nor the undergrad students he couldn’t even deign to treat with basic respect.
*See chapters 37 and 41.

Appreciate the explanation, it sounds like he was completely out of his league. Unable to see the writing on the wall and make changes, and then it was too late. I’ll have to read that book!

The complaints also add fuel to the fire of blaming young women for his plight in life.
And then there is all that driving around in the middle of the night, casing a house, and planning a murder and escape route that may have impacted him as well. Obsessive

Wow, knowing what lie ahead puts that drive with his dad from WA back to PA in a completely new light. I wonder if his parents were aware that he would not be continuing school- he was coming home?

IMO

 

[citygirl]

Where does the article say he took the food?

Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.
Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.
Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.

 

[Dotta]

It seems to me
BK was completely unable to function properly while solely on his own
far from parental protection.

How long did it exactly last?
Half a year?

And we all know how it ended.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.
Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.
Kohberger then fled the scene, and likely took Kernodle's fast food order with him out the door.


That would explain why Mortensen reported seeing the killer exit the home with a package in his hands.

If sheath-leaving liar took the food, he's probably the one who put the order in in the first place, jmo.
That order left Pullman probably at around the same time he did.

I find it difficult to believe he took it, but if he did, he placed that order, jmo.

 

[AngTxGal]

The Murderer did attend DeSales in person for his BA. He received his Bachelors in Psychology in 2018 (pre Covid) and his Masters in Criminal Justice in 2022. Those classes were mainly online.

…

Bryan Kohberger received both undergraduate and graduate degrees from DeSales University, a private Catholic college in Center Valley, Pennsylvania.

As a commuter student, Kohberger came and went from DeSales' campus during his undergraduate psychology studies. A fellow student who worked on a lab project with the Murderer said he kept to himself, and didn't show any outward signs of something more menacing.

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

His tagline here isn't lost on me...

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The Law and Crime article at the link is very thorough, a great read, much of that info I did not know or had forgotten. Thank you!

IMO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Especially out of state tuition!

He met the criteria for in state tuition by registering his car in WA, and I have read he registered to vote, though I haven;t confirmed that.

 

[AngTxGal]

It seems to me
BK was completely unable to function properly while solely on his own
far from parental protection.

How long did it exactly last?
Half a year?

And we all know how it ended.

JMO

That is my observation too, did he live in an apartment while doing his BS and MS? It doesn’t sound like he lived near DeSales but commuted to school about an hour away. I get that, it saves money to live at home.
But if that meant he wasn’t on campus then he wasn’t really a part of the college experience or the community of the school. Commuters pop in for classes and pop back out. To connect you have to know others on campus from high school, get into intramural sports and clubs, take a job on campus, deliberately and inconveniently make time to socialize with other students.
I commuted my first year of undergrad, had a job back near home. So I was only on campus for classes, open time between them, then back on the road to go to work.
My second year I moved near campus and had a job on campus- a huge difference in making connections with people and profs and finding your tribe. The intellectual conversations serious students can have while playing Drunk Jenga are super mentally stretching. Good Times!
IMO, if you can, moving from your home town and parents to a college town is part of growing up, being independent, testing your wings, learning your boundaries, adulting.

How long did he last? Well that depends on when you decide he began to have issues- it sounds like signs were showing up in September.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Where does the article say he took the food?

I’ve not seen any evidence that he took Xana’s food, the bag was in the kitchen.
Why would he take the time to even pick it up, a bag of JITB would be a distraction to a guy who is huge on making a plan and carrying it out, moving fast, getting out of there, not getting flustered, and not leaving a trace.

IMO

 

[FoxxTraxx]

I thought all those book chapters on WSU were some of the strongest in the book.

I can't recall his name now but there was another PhD candidate/TA - maybe with the name of Ben? - in his early forties. He has some sharp observations on his deficiencies

off the top of my head - somebody else will be able to double check/quote from the book itself

- when Loserberger got into a rage, he'd typically go red in the face and clench his knuckles
- he expressed surprise that anybody could get into a rage about Prof Snyder ( can't recall the details now, gist of it was that Snyder was easy-going, nice guy)
- The TA accepted a lift home with him, to learn more about him. He tells the author that he was homophobic as well as misogynist but he wanted to talk about girls and wanted a girlfriend.
- He didn't understand why Loser would want to be in a ' progressive' dept when so many of the staff were experts in crime and naturally in specialist subjects about violence against women. Kinda why are you even here at WSU? (Knowing what we know now eg knife bought in March 2022 & packed with his belongings when he arrives in June, I can't help wondering......)
- Ben describes him as a creep or creepy. Ben didn't tell Loser that he was gay.
- it might be the same TA Ben - not sure - who tells author that he thinks or knows Loser is a virgin at 28 yo.
- Ben almost submitted a welfare concern form on BK, sometime after the murders. ( Can't remember why he didn't follow through)

( considering the number of quotes from senior staff, got the impression that somebody on staff at WSU collaborated with the author. As per @Warwick7 's timeline a few pages back, WSU was onto him fast. OTOH still 'crickets' from De Sales)

You're probably thinking of Ben Roberts, age 42, one of the older students in the criminology program at WSU. Ben initially met BK in late August 2022 and yes - had a lot of keen observations.

Ben was moments away from submitting a 'student care report' on BK in Nov. 2022 because BK ''looked like the walking dead'' in Ben's words. However, Ben could not confirm the report would be anonymous. Ben worried that BK would figure out he was the one submitting the report and didn't want to deal with BK due to his weird behavior. So Ben deleted the report. [Pages 120-121 of ''The Idaho Four'']

 

[girlhasnoname]

I hadn't realized that it was arranged in advance that DM would give her victim's impact statement sitting next to Bill Thompson so that Bill Thompson could block her view of BK so that she didn't have to see him. Described by Bill Thompson in this interview.

I think it goes to show just how very traumatized DM was and still is, her pain was genuine and heartfelt you could see. Giving her own impact statement was a huge step forward for her IMO. I wish her nothing but healing strength, she was an innocent survivor, along with BF. The SM cranks and people in general online were brutal to her in particular.

1) DM was a self-admitted 'scaredy cat', not meant in a derogatory way, all her friends knew that about her.
2) I mentioned early on she might have thought her friends were just playing a joke and she would never want to call LE and cause trouble. It did come out DM thought the roommates (Ethan specifically) might have been playing a prank. I think he was a real jokester in the bunch.
3) She was intoxicated and sleepy and I believe she truly did not understand what was happening. Real/dream/overactive imagination?
4) It wasn't unusual for the roommates to not answer their phones late at night after they'd gone to bed.

A combination of things which led to her running down to BF's room (the only one who answered) and sleeping behind her locked door instead of believing there was a psycho Murderer in their house who had just brutally killed her four friends.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Listen/reading to reports of BK stealing from his friends parents (Bayliss, Saba), I am realizing now that he was a true opportunist. Hear about a party house in a crowded neighborhood near frat row, know that your friends dad has an expensive coin collection, have a lot of time on your hands and not a lot of friends or responsibilities? You can see how this would let an obsessive focus in an opportunities.

I think when you have a.mind without remorse, you can start calculating how to get things that you want. If you are missing a chip, do not develop social skills, or prioritize developing friendships, there is your natural criminal. You present a masked face to all and go ahead and do what you want, often without consequences because you are not noticed, camouflaged and irrelevant.

He may have been around people who OD'd and became more curious about death or taking lives. This is a mind quirk and it took years to develop towards murder. I would really like to know if he killed things in the woods, gaining sort of strength from those lives he took. JMOO

BK knew who he was from a very small age and fought it with diversions. And then he indulged it repeatedly until he was comfortable to kill a human. Sick mind from overworking too many paths and not developing others. JMOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That all sounds reasonable looking back, IMO, good points.

If he went to Kaylee's former bedroom first & saw Murphy & not her, and then shut the door & went to Maddie's room & we all know what happened then....

Because my strong suit is not like some/alot of awesome WSers here who have detailed timelines of "the facts" they have written out & can pull up to hone in...

Just wondering how the above scenario could be reckoned with, IIRC, Dylan's testimony that she (paraphrasing) heard "noises & rough housing & the dog barking" when she was trying to sleep & thought it was Kaylee up late playing with Murphy.

JMO

I think Kaylee might have started out trying to sleep in her bed and then went into Maddie's room to call her ex bf - J and fell asleep there. It might explain why the covers were turned back and Murphy was found in Kaylee's room, but I can't recall if the door was open or shut. Could the rough housing noises and Murphy barking have been heard by DM earlier before the Murderer was inside? IDK

The DDD said she kept seeing a brunette pop in/out of a window, was that Xana watching for her order from the 2nd or 3rd floor bathroom window? (3rd I think, but I can't remember the layout) The DDD said she was first instructed to leave it at the patio slider but she didn't feel comfortable doing that so she finally ended up leaving it at the front door aka the basement level. Anyone?

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

You're probably thinking of Ben Roberts, age 42, one of the older students in the criminology program at WSU. Ben initially met BK in late August 2022 and yes - had a lot of keen observations.

Ben was moments away from submitting a 'student care report' on BK in Nov. 2022 because BK ''looked like the walking dead'' in Ben's words. However, Ben could not confirm the report would be anonymous. Ben worried that BK would figure out he was the one submitting the report and didn't want to deal with BK due to his weird behavior. So Ben deleted the report. [Pages 120-121 of ''The Idaho Four'']

thanks so much. ( I didn't want to re-listen to audio version)

Was the ' walking dead' appearance before the 13 Nov, or after?

 

[DizzyB]

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The Law and Crime article at the link is very thorough, a great read, much of that info I did not know or had forgotten. Thank you!

IMO

In the middle of the article, it is a good read. I’m up to the drive back home to PA-it doesn’t sound like his car was packed up with a lot of stuff. The Pullman apartment was completely cleaned out. Did he have very few belongings? Did he move out there with just clothing? Did he dump all of his cleaning supplies and other things he needed for apartment living? It took multiple trips to pack up my kid each year after college.