GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[cottonweaver]

In the middle of the article, it is a good read. I’m up to the drive back home to PA-it doesn’t sound like his car was packed up with a lot of stuff. The Pullman apartment was completely cleaned out. Did he have very few belongings? Did he move out there with just clothing? Did he dump all of his cleaning supplies and other things he needed for apartment living? It took multiple trips to pack up my kid each year after college.

MPD seem just as baffled because in one of the later documents their LEO are checking Washington self storage units for any units leased under his name. ( They didn't find any)

 

[PunishThenForgive]

About the front door, if it was only partially open, DM would almost have to had to close it to get past on the way to BFs room. The stairwell leads right to the front door. She didn't say anything about the front door being open when heading to BFs room that I recall. I might have missed it.

But if the front door had been open a signifcant amount it would not only have been visually obvious since their is the outside light over that door and it was on--not to mention if it was open even 1/3 of the way she would have had to close it to get around it to go down to BF's room. She would have also felt the cold from it being open.

(Snipped and bolded by me)

The stairs from the first to the second floor are immediately to the left of the front door. As this screenshot from the first nighttime bodycam footage shows:


Source

the front door opens in such a way that Dylan wouldn’t be blocked from leaving the stairs on her way to Bethany’s room if the door were opened all the way. Nonetheless, I think Dylan would have closed the front door if she saw that it was open. She was just scared by an intruder, after all.

Don't know if this is readable. Neighbor reported to LE that front door of 1122 King Rd. was open between approximately 9AM to 10 AM on 11/13/22. Neighbor didn't give it much thought at the time because it was a party house. The homicides were not yet discovered.

Perhaps someone stopped by earlier and opened the door to see if anyone was awake but got no response and didn't pull the front door shut?

Screenshot of Supp 20 of the Moscow Police investigation documents:

Note that if the neighbor was correct that the front door was open during his dog walk from 9 to 10 am on the morning of the murders, then the front door would have been open when the murderer returned to Moscow for the last time from 9:12 am to 9:21 am. Now that’s a chilling thought.



Source: Probable Cause Affidavit

Finally, here’s a screenshot of a TikTok video that shows the plot of land where the house on 1122 King Road once stood, posted 3 days ago:


Source: 1122 King Road - after house torn down

The murderer would have been able to hide quite nicely in the woods beside or behind the house when he first started hanging out in the area in July 2022. Even with the thinned out trees of late fall, he could no doubt watch the lit-up house under cover of darkness. Perfect for lurking, surveilling, scaring Kaylee, and possibly befriending Kaylee’s labradoodle, Murphy (dog-lover that he is).

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Here is an article from K Ramsland who was one of the Murderer's main Prof. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a book from her before too long.

<snipped>

"He selected the forensic track which made him an advisee for me," she said. "He seemed like, eager to be in the classroom. He was polite, he was respectful, intense and curious and there was no reason for me to think that he was anything other than someone who was really interested in this potential career."

She said there wasn't anything that "stood out" to her and she didn't observe any "red flags."

"He was always really quite respectful and grateful," Ramsland said. "He would thank me for things. He was attentive. He would do the work. I didn't have any concerns.

She said she taught him in four classes, including an introduction to forensic psychology and one on death investigation. She also taught him in a class on behavioral criminology and another called "Dangerous Minds: The Psychology of Anti-Social Behavior."

Serial killer expert reveals how Bryan Kohberger "completely" fooled her

 

[cottonweaver]

@PunishThenForgive re the wooded areas at the back, Supp 171 in the MPD records has a tip from Aug/Sept 2022 wrt a male prowler. The woman reporting it lived in a private residence 200m east of 1122.
It's probably nothing - somebody else - but in the Supp notes the LEO notes there's a well known footpath connecting these wooded areas


@girlhasnoname I wonder if Steve Goncalves will complain if she does try to publish a book on him. After what Hippler said about this at the sentencing, he could and I wouldn't blame him

 

[PunishThenForgive]

And apparently an online IQ test, self-administered.

Virtual IQ.

Real life dumb Q.

JMO

IQ is usually tested during a full autism assessment, so the value 119 may have been determined by the defense’s forensic psychologist.

I don’t find it hard to believe that the murderer may have taken an online IQ test and received a much higher score, particularly if he took it untimed. I would think that Mr. Know It All would realize that an IQ of 119 is not “genius level,” after all.

At any rate, “twice-exceptional” people (“gifted“ but with a learning disorder or condition such as ASD or ADHD) often have “spiky” profiles, leading to a lower IQ on a standard, timed test. So an IQ of 119 could still mean the murderer may be more intelligent than we would like to believe, at least enough to impress some of his professors and fellow students.

IMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I hadn't heard any of this before, things the convicted murderer & prisoner said while in jail in PA after his arrest. Sounds like he was play acting, nonplussed, putting up a good front, while probably freaking on the inside (unless he wanted to get caught), JMO.

What Idaho Murderer Bryan Kohberger Told Police After He Was Arrested

Bryan Kohberger—who is serving life in prison for killing four University of Idaho students—chatted with detectives about college sports during his 2022 interrogation, per police documents.

www.eonline.com

 

[seasideForest]

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

This may well have been answered already.

I thought way back the general consensus on here was that he probably wasn't wearing a belt but some sort of full body suit w/o loops for a belt.

MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I saw that. And if that person is the only person saying it, I have some doubts as to whether or not that person got their dates straight.

So say that witness is correct that he saw the door on that date at that time at that house open--I haven't seen any reports say that DM or BF told the police that when they exited their room to either A) go outside to wait for Hunter J or B) when they exited after Hunter J got there that the door was open at that time (it is not clear to me if they waited outside for Hunter J or waited in BF's room). I don't see any reports where DM or BF told police that when Hunter arrived he said something like "hey, you guys, do you know your front door is wide open?" Given that DM and BF were spooked about the possibility that she saw someone in the house in the night and that's why they asked HJ to come over, I would think either the girls or Hunter would immediately notice and see importance in that front door being open at noon on Sunday. And that either Hunter J, DM, or BF would have told the police about it.

So if I'm to believe the door was open before DM came downstairs to BF's room, it could only have been open a tiny bit or she would have noticed even in her panic. Sure, wind could have then blown it open after she came down in order for it to be seen to be open from 9-10 ish.....but if neither DM/BF/or Hunter J said it was open at noon when Hunter J arrived.....then we would have to believe that some random person came up and closed it between 10ish and noon? Or the wind magically sucked it closed after it had blown it open? Or Murphy was a very polite dog and he went down and closed the wide open door (which then DM, BF, or HJ would have noticed the front door, which they said was locked, was unlocked when HJ came in or when the girls exited to meet him).

If it's a choice between the witness being wrong or the door opening and then being shut again after the person saw it (and no one from the house or who went to the house to check things out for the girls reporting it to police), then to me the odds are on the witness having the date wrong, especially if was common for that person to walk their dog on that route and around that time.

I have heard in so many crime cases where witnesses are absolutely positive they saw something on a specific day/time...but further investigation proves that they were mistaken as to the day/time.

Excellent point! The dog-walking neighbor was interviewed on Thursday, November 17, so he may have actually seen the door open on Saturday morning instead of Sunday morning.

Of course, a wide-open front door early Saturday morning in is scary for a house full of vulnerable women (after a night of presumably heavy Friday-night drinking).

Back before we had access to the Moscow Police reports, by the way, I always assumed the witness who said the door was wide open was referring to the back slider (which we already could infer was left open based on photos taken of the crime scene).

Anyway, I agree that it is hard to wrap one’s head around the idea that the front door was open all morning. Even if Xana had not closed it properly after picking up her DoorDash order, I just can’t imagine Dylan leaving the door open on her way to Bethany’s room.

And if Dylan could see that the front door was open before she descended the stairs to the first floor, she may have high-tailed it right back to her own room, locked her door, then called Bethany to warn her that the front door was open—only feet from Bethany’s own bedroom.

IMO

 

[seasideForest]

If the above were the case, and either Kaylee woke up or (as I believe) walked into the room, the knife is back in the sheath and the handle can be used as a weapon. Disable Kaylee, un sheath knife (and drop it), attack her, think that's it and leave.

If Kaylee walked into the room (as Maddie was being murdered? or after?) how would she have got onto the bed the other side of Maddie? She was found on the bed between Maddie and the wall.

 

[seasideForest]

I hadn't realized that it was arranged in advance that DM would give her victim's impact statement sitting next to Bill Thompson so that Bill Thompson could block her view of BK so that she didn't have to see him. Described by Bill Thompson in this interview.

It's good to hear they took care of DM in that way! I thought at the time she might be sitting rather than standing because she mentioned exhaustion. My own trauma-related exhaustion can be so bad I can hardly keep standing (at times) and DM was obviously struggling enough before she spoke.

Blocking her view of Loser would help not retraumatise her even worse and probably help keep fear at bay or worse total shut down due to traumatic stress. It's really good the court took her needs (of this type - Idk if my conjectures are 100% correct) into consideration.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

I wanted JD to come to the sentencing with Murphy, to walk in and see if he went ballistic. Not very practical, but wishful thinking. JMOO

 

[sripey]

If Kaylee walked into the room (as Maddie was being murdered? or after?) how would she have got onto the bed the other side of Maddie? She was found on the bed between Maddie and the wall.

I believe she was also under the blanket, making it extremely likely she and Maddie were asleep in Maddie's bed when BK entered the room.

 

[Ghostwheel]

If Kaylee walked into the room (as Maddie was being murdered? or after?) how would she have got onto the bed the other side of Maddie? She was found on the bed between Maddie and the wall.

Slugged in the face at the base of the bed and pushed onto the bed. Then, while trying to get away, crawling backwards to the corner while being attacked. Fighting BK trying to defend her friend, losing her balance and falling into the bed from the end or over Maddie. Bk tosses her onto the bed. The entire bottom side of the bed was open, except for maybe BK. If one were standing at the foot of the bed and got slugged in the head or face on the side opposite the bed, one would fall into the bed. If someone were standing there pushing something into one's face or stabbing at one, one would crawl backwards to escape and end up trapped.

If Kaylee were fighting BK trying to help Maddie, he could easily have knocked her off balance even pushing her over Maddie should she have been on the side. Crawling to the corner to escape is a normal reaction once stuck in the bed. Maddie would have been an inanimate lump by then and blocking at least one way out. (No disrespect meant)

It's just a possibility. Kaylee might have started in the bed or walked in on it from the facts I have seen. That doesn't mean something more couldn't come out that says different.

 

[AngTxGal]

Purchases history, MPD document

Most people have already heard about the July Walmart Beanie Hat purchase & 12-1-2022 hand towel packs purchases etc but adding this one cause it's new to me.


11.20.22

' 1000 watt continuous power inverter' & then a 2kw/4kw version ( planning to go off grid or camping in winter.....?)
View attachment 604312

any ideas why he'd want that in November? On his road trip with dad, wouldn't he be able to charge phones in car and devices at places they stopped en route?
' innocent' explanations welcome for buying the 1Kw on one day and the 2kw/4kw 3 days later

operating a vac to clean car somewhere quiet, remote?

this is in the period he's acting like ' the walking dead' ( as per FoxxTraxx's post on previous WS page)

We don’t know his plans for after the break.
Was his plan to go on the run, be off the grid?

IMO

 

[Megnut]

Holy Freak Out.

20m.

O.M.G

 

[AngTxGal]

Slugged in the face at the base of the bed and pushed onto the bed. Then, while trying to get away, crawling backwards to the corner while being attacked. Fighting BK trying to defend her friend, losing her balance and falling into the bed from the end or over Maddie. Bk tosses her onto the bed. The entire bottom side of the bed was open, except for maybe BK. If one were standing at the foot of the bed and got slugged in the head or face on the side opposite the bed, one would fall into the bed. If someone were standing there pushing something into one's face or stabbing at one, one would crawl backwards to escape and end up trapped.

If Kaylee were fighting BK trying to help Maddie, he could easily have knocked her off balance even pushing her over Maddie should she have been on the side. Crawling to the corner to escape is a normal reaction once stuck in the bed. Maddie would have been an inanimate lump by then and blocking at least one way out. (No disrespect meant)

It's just a possibility. Kaylee might have started in the bed or walked in on it from the facts I have seen. That doesn't mean something more couldn't come out that says different.

Others have mentioned that the foot of the bed was nearest the door.
That gives some perspective too.

IMO

 

[Megnut]

Holy Freak Out.

20m.

O.M.G

Quoting myself to bring the link forward.

Someone was definitely in their yard multiple times.... creepy. Was the felon stalking them, watching, learning their habits, feeding Murphy???????

And something was wrong with the door and her dad DID tighten the hinges.

One has to wonder if the felon was jimmying with their doors...

One incident was Nov 4...

It's the worst kind of horror movie. The victims unaware of the danger circling them... but there's no rewind. No walking out of the movie theater.

This didn't happen on 11/13. It was happening for months and culminated that day.

The felon had 1000 off ramps and he chose none of them.

Evil.

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

The SW results from his parents home seemed to have personal necessities listed clothing, shoes, electronics, etc. I can see the Murderer not having excess items (OCD can mean clean and tidy, minimalist) which I believe he could have gotten in the car trunk and back seat. I believe he arrived at WSU with very few belongings.

Do we know if it was a furnished apartment since he was a TA? The second bedroom was completely empty, probably never set up since he was a single occupant. His assigned storage closet in the apt. was empty as well.

The Murderer was never planning on coming back to WSU IMO. He wouldn't have left anything of evidentiary value. He had about 4 weeks to destroy evidence from his car, apartment, and his shared campus office (computer) as well.

He'd lost his TA job, there was a BOLO out for his car, it was seen on CCTV, and HE knew he left the knife sheath at the crime scene. I bet he'd already planned a 'sob story' for his parents as to why.

Just a thought. MOO

Interesting thoughts
After thinking about this- it is clear he must not have told his parents that he had lost his TA job and would be returning home.
If he had- there would be little reason to stay in Pullman. He could have returned to PA earlier than the end of the semester. Unless he thought there was reason to try to save his job.
He would have been trying to get out of his apt contract so he didn’t have to pay in the spring.

Getting that car out of there would have been a high priority.
If he had told his parents, rather than his dad buy a plane ticket on Dec 10, BK could have began driving home Dec 7 after the 2nd meeting that didn’t go well.
Instead he stayed in town until the semester ended? Why? Maybe he was cleaning up evidence?

If he was following the Gabby Petito case he knew BL had gone missing and some had suspected he had gone off the grid. As per receipts some have posted- BK purchased three different sized inverters- an inverter is used to power devices when using batteries or solar panels.

I wonder what BK’s plans were after the winter break? It doesn’t seem he ever intended to go back to Pullman.

IMO

 

[LadyL]

Why would BK take Xana's Taco Bell order? He's vegetarian. Although after that type of adrenaline dump that he had just had, he could have been ravenous.

small detail but I thought it was Jack in the Box food

 

[AngTxGal]

Quoting myself to bring the link forward.

Someone was definitely in their yard multiple times.... creepy. Was the felon stalking them, watching, learning their habits, feeding Murphy???????

And something was wrong with the door and her dad DID tighten the hinges.

One has to wonder if the felon was jimmying with their doors...

One incident was Nov 4...

It's the worst kind of horror movie. The victims unaware of the danger circling them... but there's no rewind. No walking out of the movie theater.

This didn't happen on 11/13. It was happening for months Anna culminated that day.

The felon had 1000 off ramps and he chose none of them.

Evil.

JMO

In hindsight it seems as if there were several creepy incidents leading up to the murders.
Still
- you could see into the house from the outside without blinds or curtains, and the
- locks on the doors have been described as less than secure, and
- no one was calling the police to report that a guy seemed to be watching them?
As a parent I’m not understanding why proactive measures were not taken.

It isn’t a bother to police to call and have them walk around a property to check out someone that seems creepy.

When I was in college in an apartment on the first floor a roommate had gone home for the weekend and I was there alone. In the wee hours this drunk guy begins banging on the door upset yelling for his girlfriend. All of the apartments looked the same- he was just in the wrong building. He would go away then return to bang on the door again, and then began climbing over the wooden stockade fence that went around the tiny porch outside the sliding glass door.
I’m from the country part of Texas- so I had a pistol in there and a bat. I called the cops, for both of our safety as I had a pistol in there and was getting prepared to use it if he came through the sliding door. Cops came and he had wandered off- they could not find him.
You don’t creep around peoples houses or you could get shot. Idaho isn’t that different from Texas I’m surprised these girls were not armed, especially if they thought they needed to walk around with golf clubs to check things out.

IMO