GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[GOBliaison]

Xana runs, and Kohberger attacks Xana in her doorway, where she "fought like hell." Kohberger then sees Ethan, and reaches over and stabs him, killing him instantly. He continues to fight with Xana, ending up on the floor where he kills her.

^ w/ VGR excised for emphasis ^
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One thing I've not been able to put to rest - and I apologize if this has previously been addressed:

How did BK egress Xana's room?...
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...inasmuch as a discovery witness / surviving roommate(s) initially offered that they chose there and then not to force the door very far because, they said - and I hereafter I paraphrase - '...Xana was on the floor just inside... perhaps passed-out and sleeping there and not in bed ...' ?

So...
- Was it by stepping past a deceased Xana
to squeeze through her closed but now partially-blocked doorway
before fully closing it behind him?...

OR

- Was it by stepping past a dying Xana
to open, pass through and re-close, unimpeded, said doorway,
bearing in mind that Xana herself fell to rest blocking it ? ...

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But with Xana so near the door, should not the conclusion be that
it was with her dying strength she sought to reach it?

IMO, YES!
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A fittingly ghastly [caution please] circumstance could be that she initially reached her goal, got her door at least ajar, only to feel herself being forcefully pushed back by it. Lastly sensing it being again pulled away from her. And once more shut. And she, with vision dimming, holding-on but with not enough of her life left to try again. My Lord. Such selfless courage and heroism is for me unfathomable.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

SBMFF

Some may think that but that's not my theory about why he returned. I believe he returned because he wanted to see what was going on from his night of terror. Like how an arsonist will stick around and watch the commotion he was responsible for. I think people like that get a charge out of it, especially when they blend in, knowing full well what they did, but no one else knows. It's like their big secret. Weirdos.

Yes agree with all on this. And it seems IMO that BK had not realized early he had forgotten the sheath? Wonder exactly when that did occur to the convicted defendant? It surely wasn’t IMO before the time of that confident self-aggrandizing selfie taken in the bathroom mirror. And I am not recalling exactly when that image was taken. Seems it was shortly after returning to his apartment. Sure wonder exactly when it was realized by him that a ‘calling card’ had been left. MOO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I also am surprised with Xana fighting so much that BK didn't accidentally cut himself. Was he wearing gloves? I'm assuming that he wasn't because didn't they collect other DNA that he left??

JMO.

 

[Warwick7]

I've often wondered if he was intending to go back upstairs to find his sheath...until he saw DM.
Once he saw DM he just headed out the door. M00

 

[Dexter12]

MSN

At the Crime Conference (Crime Con), Stacy Chapin describes when she first got the news that her son Ethan had been killed -

After hearing the news, Stacy abandoned her shopping cart and left the store. She and her husband then had to get in their car and drive for more than five hours to Moscow. Stacy and her husband picked up Ethan’s siblings from the police station and the four went to a hotel for the night. The next morning, Stacy woke up early and went out for a walk.

“I walked to the house,” Stacy said, referring to the crime scene. “My son was still there in it. And I just stood outside of it for a little bit.”

I thought the bodies were removed the night of Nov 13th, not the 14th

 

[othram]

I found it odd that 20/20 had the bit about the DNA not being "trace". No one said it was "only a trace" of DNA, just that it was "trace" dna, sometimes also referred to as "touch" DNA depending on what it is. It might be small amounts but it could just as well be a lot, you just cannot see it. The original definition of trace dna was that it was so imperceptible you could not see it. Which somehow got translated to "miniscule", which is not the same thing. If you leave a drop of sweat on a counter and it dries, it is trace dna. It can't be easily seen (if at all), but it's not miniscule.

Same with "touch", usually skin cells. Still "trace" but can be a considerable amount. I think they mean trace as in "tracking back" for the DNA, like tracing the origin.

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

 

[Gemmie]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

Is that something you can talk about?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Yes agree with all on this. And it seems IMO that BK had not realized early he had forgotten the sheath? Wonder exactly when that did occur to the convicted defendant? It surely wasn’t IMO before the time of that confident self-aggrandizing selfie taken in the bathroom mirror. And I am not recalling exactly when that image was taken. Seems it was shortly after returning to his apartment. Sure wonder exactly when it was realized by him that a ‘calling card’ had been left. MOO

According to cell phone data, the murderer had extended phone conversations with his parents starting a couple of hours after the murders, then returned to Moscow for about ten minutes between 9 and 9:30 am, then took the infamous, self-congratulatory (?) shower selfie around 10:30 am, and, finally, was in Clarkston/Lewiston a couple of hours after that.

Quite the busy “adrenal-exhausted*” lad. Only he knows what he was thinking in those hours, what he intended to do, and what he actually did. Maybe he will someday tell us, but why would we believe anything he says?

*According to Gary Brucato in Dateline, this was why the murderer spared poor Dylan.

Sources: The PCA, court documents & Moscow police reports.

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I thought the bodies were removed the night of Nov 13th, not the 14th

I remember hearing or reading that, too. Maybe Ethan’s mother didn’t know his body had been removed. Or perhaps she was referring to his spirit. At any rate, the police should have done a better job informing the parents (and friends), IMO.

 

[othram]

Is that something you can talk about?

Yes, it's not a secret. It was just misreported during the period in which relevant participants in the case were under a gag order.

 

[Warwick7]

I thought the bodies were removed the night of Nov 13th, not the 14th

Again we were told wrong.

 

[Warwick7]

So XA's health watch was used to pinpoint her where abouts and when she died.

Is that why Gilbertson said, "Xana certainly did go up the stairs." To say certainly they must have some type of forensic evidence. “Fortunately, that’s what stopped him up there and caused him to screw up and leave the knife sheath, was either hearing or seeing Xana. And then that took his attention away, and he followed her down the stairs to her bedroom." Gilbertson said.

How DNA, police work unraveled the Idaho student murders case | Idaho Statesman https://share.google/DUaKoTNNCSTZ491Ik

 

[Arkay]

Yes, it's not a secret. It was just misreported during the period in which relevant participants in the case were under a gag order.

Yes, in the interview with Kristen Mittelman and Stacy Chapin posted somewhere above, Kristen made it clear that there was abundant DNA and that @othram knew who was the culprit, but due to the gag order, Othram was disallowed to reveal this info until the gag order was lifted.

That meant that sadly, Othram was not permitted to give that solace to the families, but I think we understand that Judge Hippler did not want to jeopardize what was expected to be a long trial.

The budding friendship and partnership that we glimpsed between Stacy and Kristen was lovely to witness.

JMO based on said interview.

 

[othram]

Yes, in the interview with Kristen Mittelman and Stacy Chapin posted somewhere above, Kristen made it clear that there was abundant DNA and that @othram knew who was the culprit, but due to the gag order, Othram was disallowed to reveal this info until the gag order was lifted.

That meant that sadly, Othram was not permitted to give that solace to the families, but I think we understand that Judge Hippler did not want to jeopardize what was expected to be a long trial.

The budding friendship and partnership that we glimpsed between Stacy and Kristen was lovely to witness.

JMO based on said interview.

A judge has one of the toughest jobs, balancing what is best for everyone (including the defendant).

 

[Warwick7]

Xana ad to have been chased into the living room, per ISP report of living room crime scene. Page 95

Exactly.

 

[Warwick7]

MSN

At the Crime Conference (Crime Con), Stacy Chapin describes when she first got the news that her son Ethan had been killed -

After hearing the news, Stacy abandoned her shopping cart and left the store. She and her husband then had to get in their car and drive for more than five hours to Moscow. Stacy and her husband picked up Ethan’s siblings from the police station and the four went to a hotel for the night. The next morning, Stacy woke up early and went out for a walk.

“I walked to the house,” Stacy said, referring to the crime scene. “My son was still there in it. And I just stood outside of it for a little bit.”

I haven't watched/seen this...
Do you have a link?
Thank you so much!

 

[LinasK]

Do you think that BK went there to just kill Maddie? If so, why her? I kind of think that was the case. Kaylee had moved out. The other two victims, if they had been asleep in their bedroom, may not have been disturbed?

Bryan Kohberger Did Not Plan to Murder All 4 Victims, Suggests Prosecutor as He Fights Back Tears in Court

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson suggested that at least two of the victims may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time

www.yahoo.com

JMO.

I do. I firmly believe that he stalked her and Kaylee. The police just couldn't prove it because of the data he deleted from his phone. He didn't expect Kaylee to be in her bed, nor Xana, nor Ethan or the other roommates to be there. They were collateral damage to him, and it's why he lost control of the knife sheath. He didn't just randomly select this house. He had a preference for blondes and he found out that Maddie worked at the Mad Greek.

 

[Warwick7]

I remember hearing or reading that, too. Maybe his mother didn’t know. Or she was referring to his spirit. At any rate, the police should have done a better job informing the parents (and friends), IMO.

Just my own opinion, but I don't think she meant spirit.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

I believe that was mentioned on 20/20 that you guys were given a lot of DNA. That surprised me as I thought that there was only a small amount on the knife snap.

I am just amazed that your company was able to develop a profile and come up with a name in about a month's time.

I'm sure that everyone is so grateful to you for your hard work and your dedication..

JMO.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Just my own opinion, but I don't think she meant spirit.

I can go back and watch as I have it taped through YouTubeTV. I was under the impression that the bodies were still there?? Of course, I could be wrong??

JMO.