GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[jepop]

Another reason to have accepted the plea deal.

I honestly don’t think Dylan was capable of testifying at all. She is so desperately traumatized. Can you imagine if she had been called to testify for the Defense???

He was going to enjoy the show. Re-traumatizing the victims’ friends. Putting them through it - literally. He would have been over the moon excited - maybe even sexually.

He was taking back some control. He’s all about that.

He is sick and twisted beyond anything I’ve seen before. His need to hurt others and continue to hurt them is unbelievable. His needs to control.

I don’t know how his family could stand him.

He needs to go away. Just stop. Who’s paying for his lawyers?

Yep. I've just about had enough of this crazy a**le.

And the majority of the click bait msm interpretations of the released materials to boot, ie implying that the plea deal was due to his sister being on the state's witness list is a prime e.g.. That's just completely made up and unsubstantiated. The release of a witness list isn't substantiation. Jmo

 

[Tealgrove]

We had a guy in Canada, Clifford Olsen, a serial killer in BC. When they finally caught up with him they actually paid him to divulge where the bodies were located. I believe the money went to his wife.

He didn’t go away quietly either. There was always something. He was suing people, calling newspapers, he may have even contacted one of his victims’ family (I think - not sure).

It just went on and on with him.

BK is going to be the same I fear.

 

[Megnut]

Those who donated to families eased the burden upfront. It's been years of losses and expenses that BK forced on them. And costs beyond the obvious too. Other family members' losses and travel expenses, simple things like pet boarding, increased security, increased travel. Is there anyone anywhere that believes these families could be overcompensated? No! Because you can't do a real accounting on what they've lost.

AT scrapes my brain. Her second argument that BK will have no source of income, ugh. Cue the tiny-'lins. 1. That's his own fault. 2. Bored that not true of just about every convicted inmate? Point being, thank goodness for crowdsourced donations and the like to help ease families' burdens while restitution trickles in in pennies over a lifetime. By AT's argument, no inmate should have to pay. On the contrary, it's the principle of the matter. His commissary can take the hit. And should he ever have access to greater funds, he can pay from those.

I hope this is the last anyone has to hear from him.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

I hope this is the last anyone has to hear from him.

JMO

Well, aren't you the rosy optimistic one hoping this is the last anyone has to hear from him.

He's a whiner. It's all about him. Wah wah.. My this is missing, my that isn't big enough, I want more XYZ. I can't sleep so make them stop, I want a shower when I want one, not when you tell me I can have one. I want a bigger chocolate brownie at every meal and you'd better be using special pots that meat has never touched to make my vegan meals!!! And I want my mommmieee.... Wahhhhh

 

[Megnut]

Well, aren't you the rosy optimistic one hoping this is the last anyone has to hear from him.

He's a whiner. It's all about him. Wah wah.. My this is missing, my that isn't big enough, I want more XYZ. I can't sleep so make them stop, I want a shower when I want one, not when you tell me I can have one. I want a bigger chocolate brownie at every meal and you'd better be using special pots that meat has never touched to make my vegan meals!!! And I want my mommmieee.... Wahhhhh

I think you mean Mother.

 

[Gemmie]

I think you mean Mother.

I stand corrected!!!

 

[katydid23]

AT's argument, that 'crowd-funding already paid the bills for the victim's families', is really an obnoxious excuse, imo.

The defense is just trying to shirk BK's personal responsibility for this whole devastating mess. Just because some good samaritans stepped up and offered emergency help, that does not mean that the killer should be off the hook. SOME of the expenses were helped with, but not all of them.

 

[OneLove]

Is there anyone anywhere that believes these families could be overcompensated?
JMO

Your entire post is brilliant. I respectfully snipped to this one stand out sentence.

I seriously hope the prosecutions attorney uses your statements in the appeal hearing. They are powerful.

 

[LinasK]

I really want to know why he asked for the plea deal.

Could it really be because his sister was set to testify?

For a guy who needs to be in complete control I don’t believe that his mother convinced him.

What was it? AT knows.

I agree. I don't think that his mother is the reason he took the plea. That completely discredits the fact that his lawyer had no defense.

 

[LinasK]

Well, aren't you the rosy optimistic one hoping this is the last anyone has to hear from him.

He's a whiner. It's all about him. Wah wah.. My this is missing, my that isn't big enough, I want more XYZ. I can't sleep so make them stop, I want a shower when I want one, not when you tell me I can have one. I want a bigger chocolate brownie at every meal and you'd better be using special pots that meat has never touched to make my vegan meals!!! And I want my mommmieee.... Wahhhhh

He's a regular Scott Peterson.

 

[Megnut]

He's a regular Scott Peterson.

Without the veneer.

 

[Arkay]

He's a regular Scott Peterson.

Without the veneer.

These are truly true, IMO.

He’s a whiner, but incapable of producing a convincing façade when he was out and about in the world.

Whereas Scott Peterson had that Potemkin Village illusion going on for awhile.

IMO

 

[Tealgrove]

A few thoughts/questions this morning.

Why is AT still acting in his behalf? Doesn’t she have other DP cases that are more important than representing this creep with a frivolous motion? He’s done. Move on.

Is the State paying her, yet again? Why would the State pay for AT when other, less expensive attorneys could do this job?

Honestly, if I were AT I would be happy to be done with him. I’d be thrilled I didn’t have to represent him any more. I’m surprised she’s still in the game.

 

[Sundog]

A few thoughts/questions this morning.

Why is AT still acting in his behalf? Doesn’t she have other DP cases that are more important than representing this creep with a frivolous motion? He’s done. Move on.

Is the State paying her, yet again? Why would the State pay for AT when other, less expensive attorneys could do this job?

Honestly, if I were AT I would be happy to be done with him. I’d be thrilled I didn’t have to represent him any more. I’m surprised she’s still in the game.

A few thoughts/questions this morning.

Why is AT still acting in his behalf? Doesn’t she have other DP cases that are more important than representing this creep with a frivolous motion? He’s done. Move on.

Is the State paying her, yet again? Why would the State pay for AT when other, less expensive attorneys could do this job?

Honestly, if I were AT I would be happy to be done with him. I’d be thrilled I didn’t have to represent him any more. I’m surprised she’s still in the game.

Even though BK pleaded guilty, has been sentenced, and is now serving time in prison, there are still matters being addressed with this case. The prosecution and defense are still dealing with the release of court documents and are able to present motions that oppose the release of certain documents or request redactions of certain documents. And Ann Taylor is the attorney of record in the case, so it is not over for the prosecution and defense attorneys until all these matters are addressed and it will take time as the judge has indicate that the documents will be released over time. As long as Ann Taylor is attorney of record in this case, I think it is likely that she will be handling matters related to the case. Perhaps an attorney here on WS will weigh in on this. In any event, I am sure that Public Defender Taylor's caseload has significantly lightened since the plea and sentencing.

EBM to complete post

 

[Megnut]

If AT is truly maintaining that BK shouldn't have to pay restitution because it's already been paid, IMO that is a misrepresentation of the facts.

Yes, crowdsourced funds were solicited to pay for travel, losses, attendance but IMO these were general categories. The funds may have been spread farther and wider, theirs to spend. So, for example, an aunt could attend. Those who donated knew they were donating to "a cause" (the families) and couldn't possibly expect a direct accounting. As in: Tom donated $15 which he wants alloted to airfare for the victim's dad.

It's a general fund applied generally.

IMO if AT wants to be a stickler, as a matter of theory, they shouldn't have to but I hope the families will itemize and show how the crowdsourced funds were used to cover immediate expenses but in reality defrayed adjacent costs. Extended family, hotel upgrades, car rental upgrades, extra personal attorney fees, mental health expenses (beyond therapy, just self-care expenses).

It's an obnoxious claim IMO because it's not even like BK will pay up. And imagine if families had to wait to pay these things until the restitution pennies started rolling in. BK should not benefit simply because good people stepped up quickly and sent their dollars to bridge the gap his violence created.

No one knows the future either. BK is no one special. If he ever learns to toe the line, he might get paid prison work. Plus there's his commissary. Even though it's then ultimately his supporters effectively paying (as a portion of his commissary funds), it gives BK thst percentage less to enjoy. Sacrifice,  Baby Bryem.

I hope the judge holds firm to restitution. That money will trickle in and hardly be restitution enough but at least it's on the books. Let the families apply their crowdsourced funds as they see fit.

Going forward, not to future victim families, perhaps add this addendum to crowdsource profiles -- to help families with the hidden costs and losses outside of restitution -- so future ATs can't use her yucky argument.

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981857261413609593

• Bryan Kohberger planned to call friends of the four University of Idaho students he murdered to testify for the defense at his trial, according to a recently unsealed court filing.
• This included Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke, the two surviving roommates who were home that night and have openly spoke about the trauma they continue to experience.
• Friends Emily Alandt and Hunter Johnson were also on the list, as was the ex-boyfriend of Kaylee Goncalves, Jack DeCoeur.
• Kohberger planned to call 138 people in total, according to the witness list.

I just can't fathom on how that plan was going to work out in his favor.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I really want to know why he asked for the plea deal.

Could it really be because his sister was set to testify?

For a guy who needs to be in complete control I don’t believe that his mother convinced him.

What was it? AT knows.

Yea, AT definitely knows.
Just my thoughts, but I don’t think BK gave a rat’s rear about whether anybody in his family testified. And I don’t think he really cared what his mom thought about anything. It is and always was, all about him.
I think, for one, he truly was shocked he was arrested, because he thinks he’s a genius and had planned the perfect crime. Second, I think he convinced himself they did not have enough evidence and he would not be convicted. He probably liked the idea of that…people thinking he was a killer, but him getting a walk. He never worried about the death penalty because he knew he would be acquitted.
All the things that came out or leaked a few months ago proved there was plenty enough to convict him. AT probably told him again, you’re going to be found guilty and you’re going to be executed, and this mighty slayer of sleeping people, became terrified.
BK asked for the plea deal out of fear for his life and fear of losing the deep satisfaction and feeling of superiority thinking about his crime gave him.
From the plea deal, BK gained a lifetime of being able to enjoy his sick memories. He gave up a lot legally; freedom for life, no appeals, etc; but he retained what was most important to him…keeping his secrets and details about that night, and secrets about him and all his precious memories, and deep evil thoughts.
If he lasts long enough in prison, I expect him to agree at some point, perhaps to his former college professor, to talk about at least some of it. He’ll get a charge out of it, watching people react to how evil and smart he is.

 

[Megnut]

I just can't fathom on how that plan was going to work out in his favor.

Depends what he considers favor.

I don't think he values freedom and family like the rest of us do. Most of us most of the time value them and it helps us live within our moral and civil codes, staying on the good side of the law.

He operates in a different realm. The ivy reason he didn't kill anyone sooner isn't IMO because he didn't want to; he wasn't ready. He was still strategizing, assembling, salivating.

I think he feels thrill where we feel fear. He feels power where we'd feel shame.

Thumbs up, he was pleased with what he'd done. Horribly disordered, to put it mildly.

So for him to watch the surviving roommates testify -- to see their fear -- I daresay he would live for that. He's gross that way.

I don't think he'd care if it served his trial poorly. He's all in his head. It would feed
that beast.

As it was at his sentencing hearing, while at first blush, he appeared stoic and unmoved, IMO he actually reacted a lot. Microaggressions. Duper's delight. Subtle expressions but they were there. It continued to be all about him. "I respectfully decline." No shame, no horror at what he'd done, no hung head, no care even for his own family. Just nasty reactive Bryem.

It's worth noting too that, while WE weren't made aware of the witness lists until late in the game, they weren't late in the game for BK.

What changed IMO is the State calling for a psych evaluation. AT had skirted that, called him ASDL1 with OCD... without any actual proof -- opening the door.

ASD isn't a protected class for DP purposes but let's say AT could convince a juror that BK was a sympathetic soul -- or one we ought to have sympathy for -- because of his impairments (forget his stable childhood, forget his generous IQ, forget his general fitness, forget his advanced degrees, forget his lived infependence). Now flip that on its ear. Instead, present his psychopath. A cluster of personality disorders, a history of uncharged offenses, a history of creepitude, high scores in narcissism, low scores in empathy, and there goes juror sympathy. He's an unlikable chap who commit unthinkable crimes because he could. Because he wanted to.

He knows what he is. He didn't relish hearing it from KG's sister either.

IMO he pled guilty to block the very testing that would have underscored KG's sister's litany. He knows she's RIGHT and he hates it.

I think it's safe to say he didn't plead guilty to spare anyone, he didn't do it to be nice, he did it so he could control the narrative in his head.

He'll fill his time now objecting to minor irritants thst irritate him majorly, make demands on Mother and Father as he always have, and gloat at what he will continue to tell himself was a successful mission, regardless of what the evidence shows.

Obnoxious.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

As has been said many times, he thinks he is smarter than everyone else in every situation. He sees himself as this person who is several moves ahead of whatever opponent with which he’s toying. He’s an idiot. He will keep whining until one of his new roomies deals with him in a manner he believes isn’t going to occur. Again, he will be so very wrong.

AT is likely showing her true colors now. She can go pound sand as far as I’m concerned.

JMO

 

[OneLove]

Depends what he considers favor.

I don't think he values freedom and family like the rest of us do. Most of us most of the time value them and it helps us live within our moral and civil codes, staying on the good side of the law.

He operates in a different realm. The ivy reason he didn't kill anyone sooner isn't IMO because he didn't want to; he wasn't ready. He was still strategizing, assembling, salivating.

I think he feels thrill where we feel fear. He feels power where we'd feel shame.

Thumbs up, he was pleased with what he'd done. Horribly disordered, to put it mildly.

So for him to watch the surviving roommates testify -- to see their fear -- I daresay he would live for that. He's gross that way.

I don't think he'd care if it served his trial poorly. He's all in his head. It would feed
that beast.

As it was at his sentencing hearing, while at first blush, he appeared stoic and unmoved, IMO he actually reacted a lot. Microaggressions. Duper's delight. Subtle expressions but they were there. It continued to be all about him. "I respectfully decline." No shame, no horror at what he'd done, no hung head, no care even for his own family. Just nasty reactive Bryem.

It's worth noting too that, while WE weren't made aware of the witness lists until late in the game, they weren't late in the game for BK.

What changed IMO is the State calling for a psych evaluation. AT had skirted that, called him ASDL1 with OCD... without any actual proof -- opening the door.

ASD isn't a protected class for DP purposes but let's say AT could convince a juror that BK was a sympathetic soul -- or one we ought to have sympathy for -- because of his impairments (forget his stable childhood, forget his generous IQ, forget his general fitness, forget his advanced degrees, forget his lived infependence). Now flip that on its ear. Instead, present his psychopath. A cluster of personality disorders, a history of uncharged offenses, a history of creepitude, high scores in narcissism, low scores in empathy, and there goes juror sympathy. He's an unlikable chap who commit unthinkable crimes because he could. Because he wanted to.

He knows what he is. He didn't relish hearing it from KG's sister either.

IMO he pled guilty to block the very testing that would have underscored KG's sister's litany. He knows she's RIGHT and he hates it.

I think it's safe to say he didn't plead guilty to spare anyone, he didn't do it to be nice, he did it so he could control the narrative in his head.

He'll fill his time now objecting to minor irritants thst irritate him majorly, make demands on Mother and Father as he always have, and gloat at what he will continue to tell himself was a successful mission, regardless of what the evidence shows.

Obnoxious.

JMO

Love your analysis!

On his "not being ready yet" and still strategizing, I took note that his hero Bateman was 27 when he first began his vicious massacres in American Psycho. I believe that's in the first 10-15 minutes of the movie when his personality is being introduced. The first 20 minutes of that movie is quite clarifying as to BK's psychopathy.

I believe he literally had a Bateman fetish. I believe he fantasized he was Bateman and it was baked into his personality and his sexuality.

Once he knew he was being tossed from his American Psycho cover as a criminology graduate assistant, I think he decided it was now or never and leaving soon would give him perfect cover, along with strolling around Costco and the grocery store in a white dress shirt like Bateman.

BK was 28 when he committed these murders. He was out of time and had to do his final full fledged metamorphosis into Bateman the Slayer. He knew how much harder it woukd be to get away with it back home at mommie and daddy's house, especially if he had older siblings with a MUCH more realistic view of him than mommie.