Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Couldbe]

What am I missing? Is it really that important which Macca's they stopped at?

Just trying, in my most recent post, to try and clear up the confusion in Media Articles in relation to which McDonalds they visited to eat at.

There is probably no relevance to William's disappearance... except to say that without the Foster Mother's chance photos taken on the following morning, the Macca's CCTV photos would have been the last proof of life photos.

 

[Angeline]

Sorry to be off topic again, but I really think that when all of the Epstein files are released, all 5 million of them or so, we'll get a good idea of how powerful pedophile/child trafficking rings operate. They have their tentacles everywhere. Some pedophiles get into positions where they have access to information about vulnerable children, like charities, etc, for the very purpose of trafficking/gathering intel.

Going back to the foster carers leaving Sydney a day earlier than planned, William went missing on the day they initially said they'd arrive in Kendall. Maybe someone started staking the place out in the morning, in case the family arrived in the morning. If this is the case, it points to someone very keen/determined

 

[Couldbe]

Sorry to be off topic again, but I really think that when all of the Epstein files are released, all 5 million of them or so, we'll get a good idea of how powerful pedophile/child trafficking rings operate. They have their tentacles everywhere. Some pedophiles get into positions where they have access to information about vulnerable children, like charities, etc, for the very purpose of trafficking/gathering intel.

Angelina, in relation to your points on pedophiles and relating to William's disappearance:=

JMO - The Detectives have delved into who could have been aware of the trip (Albeit the quickly changed date for travelling to the FGM's home in Kendall).

.... And for an abduction to have been planned, especially in regard to the time of the day an opportunity would present itself:
.... The day earlier arrival at the FGM's home would have thwarted a planned abduction that was based on prior knowledge of their original date of travel.

 

[drsleuth]

I'm also perplexed about all the talk of McDonalds........

The Foster Family stopped in at the Caltex service station near Wyong ( which had a McDonald's attached to it back than, now Hungary Jacks ) on the M1 freeway & @ Heatherbrae McDonalds.


I'm sure the NSWPF know which McDonalds they collected the CCTV footage from & that was Heatherbrae McDonalds.

There was talk here at one time to the effect that the foster family had bulk approval for taking William to Kendall whenever. I'm not sure now whether that was confirmed.

That's corrrect

Yes, possible. She maybe was confusing how long the washing machine was broken with how long since the parts were ordered.
But there is a strong body of opinion on here that believes she was involved in whatever went down and actively covering it up. I dont subscribe to that, but plenty do.
Because she was never officially interviewed, and she died not long after the inquest started, so we will never know now.

Conspiracy theories love a vacuum where it can never be disproved.

BBM : where did you get the FGM was never interviewed from??

 

[BreakingNews]

Angelina, in relation to your points on pedophiles and relating to William's disappearance:=

JMO - The Detectives have delved into who could have been aware of the trip (Albeit the quickly changed date for travelling to the FGM's home in Kendall).

.... And for an abduction to have been planned, especially in regard to the time of the day an opportunity would present itself:
.... The day earlier arrival at the FGM's home would have thwarted a planned abduction that was based on prior knowledge of their original date of travel.

Or a pedophilia ring started very close to home. MOO.

 

[JLZ]

Angelina, in relation to your points on pedophiles and relating to William's disappearance:=

JMO - The Detectives have delved into who could have been aware of the trip (Albeit the quickly changed date for travelling to the FGM's home in Kendall).

.... And for an abduction to have been planned, especially in regard to the time of the day an opportunity would present itself:
.... The day earlier arrival at the FGM's home would have thwarted a planned abduction that was based on prior knowledge of their original date of travel.

And the abduction wasn't thwarted, so therefore it wasn't planned based on prior knowledge of the original date of travel. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Couldbe]

And the abduction wasn't thwarted, so therefore it wasn't planned based on prior knowledge of the original date of travel. Is that what you're saying?

JMO - As far as we know, there is no hard evidence that an abduction of William did occur mid-morning (On the day following their arrival around 9 pm the night before).

"And the abduction wasn't thwarted, so therefore it wasn't planned based on prior knowledge of the original date of travel. Is that what you're saying?"
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As far as we know, there is no hard evidence that an abduction of William did occur mid-morning

JMO - If an abduction had been planned to occur following their arrival (Based on prior knowledge of that original date of arrival) ... then who would have known when an opportunity to take William would have occurred?

HOWEVER, Any plan for William to disappear following his original arrival date of 12/9/2014, by abduction or any other manner, would have been thwarted by the earlier travel on 11/9/2014.

SO WHAT WAS ABLE TO OCCUR: Happens to be William's disappearance ... when on 12/9/2014 at 10:57, William's foster mother phoned 000 emergency services to report him missing.

 

[Wexford]

Angelina, in relation to your points on pedophiles and relating to William's disappearance:=

JMO - The Detectives have delved into who could have been aware of the trip (Albeit the quickly changed date for travelling to the FGM's home in Kendall).

.... And for an abduction to have been planned, especially in regard to the time of the day an opportunity would present itself:
.... The day earlier arrival at the FGM's home would have thwarted a planned abduction that was based on prior knowledge of their original date of travel.

But is it not also possible that someone was scoping the property in preparation, possibly for an abduction, and an opportunity presented itself as William ran out into the front garden having arrived earlier than expected?

 

[Couldbe]

But is it not also possible that someone was scoping the property in preparation, possibly for an abduction, and an opportunity presented itself as William ran out into the front garden having arrived earlier than expected?

Agree Wexford ...... Are you making some connection between "someone scoping he property in preparation, possibly for an abduction, and an opportunity presented itself as William ran out into the front garden having arrived earlier than expected?'

Doubt over William Tyrrell foster mother's claim two cars seen in street

Inquest also hears local resident told police he saw two cars – one with a boy in a Spider-Man suit – drive away

www.theguardian.com

"One woman said she was sure she would have noticed the cars as vehicles were rarely parked on the wide, quiet street, the inquest was told.

Beacroft said the foster father, who previously told the inquest he was out of town for work between 9am and 10.30am, also could not remember seeing the vehicles as he left."

 

[JLZ]

Quote from Couldbe:


As far as we know, there is no hard evidence that an abduction of William did occur mid-morning

JMO - If an abduction had been planned to occur following their arrival (Based on prior knowledge of that original date of arrival) ... then who would have known when an opportunity to take William would have occurred?

HOWEVER, Any plan for William to disappear following his original arrival date of 12/9/2014, by abduction or any other manner, would have been thwarted by the earlier travel on 11/9/2014.

SO WHAT WAS ABLE TO OCCUR: Happens to be William's disappearance ... when on 12/9/2014 at 10:57, William's foster mother phoned 000 emergency services to report him missing.


In reply to the greened: no, I don't see that. Now if the family had driven up a day later than planned, the disappearance plan might well have been thwarted. Or if the disappearance plan had been to intercept the family en route and disappear William before he arrived: then knowing the correct travel time in advance would have been crucial. But arriving a day early at FGM's . . . why would that matter?

 

[Wexford]

Agree Wexford ...... Are you making some connection between "someone scoping he property in preparation, possibly for an abduction, and an opportunity presented itself as William ran out into the front garden having arrived earlier than expected?'

Doubt over William Tyrrell foster mother's claim two cars seen in street

Inquest also hears local resident told police he saw two cars – one with a boy in a Spider-Man suit – drive away

www.theguardian.com

"One woman said she was sure she would have noticed the cars as vehicles were rarely parked on the wide, quiet street, the inquest was told.

Beacroft said the foster father, who previously told the inquest he was out of town for work between 9am and 10.30am, also could not remember seeing the vehicles as he left."

BBM
It is one of my theories.
It does probably explain the cars sitting there so early in the morning.
It also reopens the question of a planned abduction as opposed to a crime of complete opportunity which seemed unlikely given the location.
Of course it is also possible that someone was there (or someone tipped them off) the night before and they were aware of the early arrival.
Of course there are other variations to this theory. As I said, though, it is one of my many theories.

 

[Couldbe]

Quote from Couldbe:


As far as we know, there is no hard evidence that an abduction of William did occur mid-morning

JMO - If an abduction had been planned to occur following their arrival (Based on prior knowledge of that original date of arrival) ... then who would have known when an opportunity to take William would have occurred?

HOWEVER, Any plan for William to disappear following his original arrival date of 12/9/2014, by abduction or any other manner, would have been thwarted by the earlier travel on 11/9/2014.

SO WHAT WAS ABLE TO OCCUR: Happens to be William's disappearance ... when on 12/9/2014 at 10:57, William's foster mother phoned 000 emergency services to report him missing.


In reply to the greened: no, I don't see that. Now if the family had driven up a day later than planned, the disappearance plan might well have been thwarted. Or if the disappearance plan had been to intercept the family en route and disappear William before he arrived: then knowing the correct travel time in advance would have been crucial. But arriving a day early at FGM's . . . why would that matter?

JMO - My point in saying: "Any plan for William to disappear"

.... was to include, for one person, the Foster Mother who Strikeforce Rosann have quoted in one of their Theories as being connected to William's disappearance: (Could Strikeforce Rosann have an alternative Theory relating to the decision for the earlier departure for FGM's home ... that we are not aware of?)

William Tyrrell inquest resumes with new details of police theory about involvement of former foster mother

Any evidence police have gathered against William Tyrrell's foster mother will finally be presented to a coroner as the inquest into the toddler's disappearance resumes this week.

www.abc.net.au

"The strike force conducted an extensive search in and around Kendall based on their theory in 2021 but found nothing of significance.

They then handed a brief of evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) last year, to seek advice about whether there was enough evidence to charge William's former foster mother over his disappearance.

But the DPP released a statement in May this year saying NSW Police asked the office to "suspend its consideration" of the case until after the next set of coronial hearings were held.

Mr Craddock will work with NSW Police detectives to present the final two weeks of evidence."

 

[drsleuth]

Agree Wexford ...... Are you making some connection between "someone scoping he property in preparation, possibly for an abduction, and an opportunity presented itself as William ran out into the front garden having arrived earlier than expected?'

Doubt over William Tyrrell foster mother's claim two cars seen in street

Inquest also hears local resident told police he saw two cars – one with a boy in a Spider-Man suit – drive away

www.theguardian.com

"One woman said she was sure she would have noticed the cars as vehicles were rarely parked on the wide, quiet street, the inquest was told.

Beacroft said the foster father, who previously told the inquest he was out of town for work between 9am and 10.30am, also could not remember seeing the vehicles as he left."

BBM : It seems the residents of Benaroon Drive weren't quite as observant as some think they may have been.

No one seems to have seen the MFC leave or arrive back, Heather Savage leave, Judy Wilson leave or the FFC leave or arrive back & probably others

It shows to me that people can come & go & not be noticed. Or simply just not noticed.

IMO

 

[Angeline]

Quote from JLZ:

Now if the family had driven up a day later than planned, the disappearance plan might well have been thwarted. Or if the disappearance plan had been to intercept the family en route and disappear William before he arrived: then knowing the correct travel time in advance would have been crucial. But arriving a day early at FGM's . . . why would that matter?

Exactly. This is what I was trying to articulate.

I can't see how William's early arrival thwarted anything. He was still there on the date the abduction was planned for (if it was an abduction.)

I actually think it strengthens the theory that it was done by someone who had knowledge of the family's original plans. What are the odds that he disappears on the exact date of his expected arrival, not any other date? They wanted to take him as soon as possible IMO.

 

[Raina_the_observer]

JMO - The Detectives have delved into who could have been aware of the trip (Albeit the quickly changed date for travelling to the FGM's home in Kendall).

They didn't phone the FGM until they were on the road. But what about:

Staff at Daycare, the children were picked up early, assume FM told them reason:

Co-workers of the FF, he phoned and said his Thursday afternoon meeting was cancelled, lets go early. So the whole lets go early was his idea. Assume he told at least some of his co-workers/bosses etc. And word could have spread from there.:

Was FM at work that day as well?

Way out there, but the cat boarding place, the last minute rush.:

What about their neighbours in Sydney?

Any of these people could also have told others.....

And FGM could also have talked to people in the time between their phone call and the arrival (5 hours or so)

The narrative has always been that no-one knew of the changed timing, but if you delve into it, there were quite a few that were aware, even from the time they left Sydney.

IF (and I am not saying it was) a planned abduction, there was plenty of time for abductors to adapt. I just dont buy the narrative that it couldn't be planned because no-one knew they were there.

I can't see how William's early arrival thwarted anything. He was still there on the date the abduction was planned for (if it was an abduction. )

But had they come up on the Friday, they would not have arrived there until early afternoon. They would not have been there at 9am to 10am.

 

[Couldbe]

Exactly. This is what I was trying to articulate.

I can't see how William's early arrival thwarted anything. He was still there on the date the abduction was planned for (if it was an abduction. )

JMO - If a planned abduction was to occur following William's arrival after the Fosters' departure from their home Sydney (A trip which would have taken approx 5 hours which could have include a Macca's meal for them)

..... Their earlier arrival would have then interfered with: whether there was OR was not a planned abduction. (Probably indicates that if William was abducted by person(s) unknown to the Foster Mother, then it most likely was not planned ahead of their early departure anyway.

 

[Angeline]

But had they come up on the Friday, they would not have arrived there until early afternoon. They would not have been there at 9am to 10am.

I agree it's unlikely they would have arrived in the morning if they'd left on the Friday, but I think whoever planned to take William drove past the house in the morning, maybe to check for any last minute obstacles e.g. extra visitors.

 

[Voidz]

This case impacted me so severely. It’s been a while since I have checked in, but William is always in my thoughts. I hope justice is served and that he is someday found.

 

[Voidz]

As time goes on, and the foster family have damaged their reputation (to me), I have changed my views on this case. I once truly believed he was abducted by a pedophile (and Jubelin did a great job in exposing how many there are in the Kendal area).

However, I now believe the foster father leaving to get internet connection is the key to this. William was killed in the care of the foster family - the foster father leaving was either to hide the body OR the death happened upon his return (being hit by the car, etc).

It was a coverup, plain and simple.

Foster mother is a liar, the cars she reported seeing never existed, her timeline is a fabrication, she is a LIAR.

 

[drsleuth]

They didn't phone the FGM until they were on the road. But what about:

Staff at Daycare, the children were picked up early, assume FM told them reason:

Co-workers of the FF, he phoned and said his Thursday afternoon meeting was cancelled, lets go early. So the whole lets go early was his idea. Assume he told at least some of his co-workers/bosses etc. And word could have spread from there.:

Was FM at work that day as well?

Way out there, but the cat boarding place, the last minute rush.:

What about their neighbours in Sydney?

Any of these people could also have told others.....

And FGM could also have talked to people in the time between their phone call and the arrival (5 hours or so)

The narrative has always been that no-one knew of the changed timing, but if you delve into it, there were quite a few that were aware, even from the time they left Sydney.

IF (and I am not saying it was) a planned abduction, there was plenty of time for abductors to adapt. I just dont buy the narrative that it couldn't be planned because no-one knew they were there.


But had they come up on the Friday, they would not have arrived there until early afternoon. They would not have been there at 9am to 10am.

BBM : I think this is the most likely possibility. It's also likely she told other's that the FF were coming on the weekend, during the week etc. We know she had communications with GO that week.........

Also PS knew they had arrived the night before.

We don't know if people who may have known that the Miller's were away had driven by that evening & saw the FF's car??

So many unknowns .............still.

I wonder if FA & GO are still alive??