GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Megnut]

Longer video by Brian Entin, regarding the lawsuit against WSU.

32m

 

[LinasK]

I think all the hubbub is about making positive changes not going back and fixing the past. Both universities should want to implement positive changes that help their students navigate better. As for the families, they are looking at the resources and learning about the stallking helping them to understand what all transpired. Blame maybe, but a thorough vetting of all the information would make them feel more whole. Whether or not we agree with it is not relevant. Much has been kept under gag they're just trying to understand. JMOO

Granted, but I don't feel that a lawsuit is the best way to achieve it.

 

[mickey2942]

Family of University of Idaho student murder victim files intent to sue Washington State University

The family of Kaylee Goncalves says it will sue WSU, alleging the university knew Bryan Kohberger had exhibited concerning behavior before the student murders.

www.krem.com

I don't see this going anywhere. BK was a weirdo. That doesn't mean that the staff could predict he was a mass murderer.

MOO is that the Goncalves never felt like they got there "say" with a full trial for BK. They were "cheated" with the plea deal. So, this is a new path for their vitriol.

I feel badly for them. But their daughter isn't coming back. This isn't going to change anything. I wish they had some place to put their energy for something more positive.

 

[Tricia]

This doesn't sound good.
Headline on Nancy Grace's podcast

KOHBERGER CONTESTING PLEA DEAL? CAN CASE GO TO TRIAL? LIFETIME ‘IDAHO 4 MOVIE’ OUTRAGE​

Plus, according to the article, the judge said Kohberger can make money from selling his story. WHAT?
"However, in a shocking announcement from the bench, Hippler says Kohberger can legally make money from selling his story, saying the Idaho law “leaves open the potential for Defendant to receive money from media contracts in the future”—and such earnings will not be accessible to victims for restitution payments."

KOHBERGER CONTESTING PLEA DEAL? CAN CASE GO TO TRIAL? LIFETIME ‘IDAHO 4 MOVIE’ OUTRAGE

CRIME STORIES with Nancy Grace

www.crimeonline.com

 

[iamshadow21]

This doesn't sound good.
Headline on Nancy Grace's podcast

KOHBERGER CONTESTING PLEA DEAL? CAN CASE GO TO TRIAL? LIFETIME ‘IDAHO 4 MOVIE’ OUTRAGE​

Plus, according to the article, the judge said Kohberger can make money from selling his story. WHAT?
"However, in a shocking announcement from the bench, Hippler says Kohberger can legally make money from selling his story, saying the Idaho law “leaves open the potential for Defendant to receive money from media contracts in the future”—and such earnings will not be accessible to victims for restitution payments."

KOHBERGER CONTESTING PLEA DEAL? CAN CASE GO TO TRIAL? LIFETIME ‘IDAHO 4 MOVIE’ OUTRAGE

CRIME STORIES with Nancy Grace

www.crimeonline.com

He's correct, there's no son of Sam law in Idaho. But I don't think there's anything preventing them from civil action specific to the media proceeds. This article a lawyer talks about the possibility of future action targeting them, if he does try it.

Idaho court reveals Bryan Kohberger donations, orders payment to victims' parents

An Idaho court has ordered Bryan Kohberger to pay thousands of dollars to families of his victims for urns. Records show he raked in cash donations throughout his trial.

www.fox13seattle.com

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Whether suing the university is a waste of legal process or not and whether anything happens from it might not be the entire point.

Even if it goes nowhere, they are getting a very important subject matter talked about, publicized and looking for change somewhere or somehow to stop the rise of these types of acts of violence.

Let's face it, incel/misogynistic type crimes seem to be on the rise. There's lots of online programming targeted to the demographic of young, lonely, antisocial, incel type men and it's not going away.

This behaviour needs to accounted for and victims need to feel safe enough to report these things and maybe some consequences. These crimes will rise if something doesn't change. So whether they win or not, just getting thought provoking concepts out there might help a little. JMO MOO

 

[Dotta]

Whether suing the university is a waste of legal process or not and whether anything happens from it might not be the entire point.

Even if it goes nowhere, they are getting a very important subject matter talked about, publicized and looking for change somewhere or somehow to stop the rise of these types of acts of violence.

Let's face it, incel/misogynistic type crimes seem to be on the rise. There's lots of online programming targeted to the demographic of young, lonely, antisocial, incel type men and it's not going away.

This behaviour needs to accounted for and victims need to feel safe enough to report these things and maybe some consequences. These crimes will rise if something doesn't change. So whether they win or not, just getting thought provoking concepts out there might help a little. JMO MOO

Exactly

Crushing immediately
bullying behaviour at the workplace is essential.
As we say in my country
"Give (a bully) a finger,
then (a bully) will soon take a whole arm".

IMO
BK seemed to feel untouchable at his position of TA.
Despite of constant complaints of bullied students,
he merrily continued his position at University for long months.
Laughing at "Improvement Plan".

At the detriment of this institution's reputation
and wellbeing of students
who came there in good faith to gain knowledge (and paid for it),
and not to be abused and traumatized.

Zero Tolerance for bullying!!!
Crush it immediately!!!

I keep fingers for G. Family and their civil lawsuit!

JMO

 

[minazoe]

Exactly

Crushing immediately
bullying behaviour at the workplace is essential.
As we say in my country
"Give (a bully) a finger,
then (a bully) will soon take a whole arm".

IMO
BK seemed to feel untouchable at his position of TA.
Despite of constant complaints of bullied students,
he merrily continued his position at University for long months.
Laughing at "Improvement Plan".

At the detriment of this institution's reputation
and wellbeing of students
who came there in good faith to gain knowledge (and paid for it),
and not to be abused and traumatized.

Zero Tolerance for bullying!!!
Crush it immediately!!!

I keep fingers for G. Family and their civil lawsuit!

JMO

look, they put him under advisement, there were complaints, they fired him from his leadership position in the class. they warned him. yes, they are professionals in this field and they recognized traits in BKoh.

so they did everything...but then if you take a quick sideways glance...they maybe could have pressed further with police over his creepy behavior....but then it would just barley cross a line if at all in terms of a prosecution. The one student could have tried to push on the breaking and entering...an arrest warrant could have given birth to a search warrant perhaps enlightening information would have been found. It's a far stretch but they might have pushed the police to investigate his "kidnapping" of the woman when he wouldn't stop talking to her and leave her car.

here they are..legal professionals, yet they never brought in LE. I think where they are going is there should be ZERO tolerance for sexual harassment and 100 percent of the time LE will be involved if you are found to be doing any kind of harassing behavior.

It's would have, could have, should have...because they also should have guessed that dumping him could be the catalyst for something bad. I don't know but I think the University should settle and pay the families of the victims .

ask them have they changed their advisements on matters like this? New rules on harassment and criminality at Brian's school?

I'm so curious.

 

[Miss Poovy]

look, they put him under advisement, there were complaints, they fired him from his leadership position in the class. they warned him. yes, they are professionals in this field and they recognized traits in BKoh.

so they did everything...but then if you take a quick sideways glance...they maybe could have pressed further with police over his creepy behavior....but then it would just barley cross a line if at all in terms of a prosecution. The one student could have tried to push on the breaking and entering...an arrest warrant could have given birth to a search warrant perhaps enlightening information would have been found. It's a far stretch but they might have pushed the police to investigate his "kidnapping" of the woman when he wouldn't stop talking to her and leave her car.

here they are..legal professionals, yet they never brought in LE. I think where they are going is there should be ZERO tolerance for sexual harassment and 100 percent of the time LE will be involved if you are found to be doing any kind of harassing behavior.

It's would have, could have, should have...because they also should have guessed that dumping him could be the catalyst for something bad. I don't know but I think the University should settle and pay the families of the victims .

ask them have they changed their advisements on matters like this? New rules on harassment and criminality at Brian's school?

I'm so curious.

I had stated in an early post (it seems like years ago) about the police force accreditation (Idaho’s is not) . IMO, it’s easier to go outside the university’s line of authority and go directly to the university’s police department if accredited because they have be certified to have professional standards & wouldn’t necessarily care about the university’s reporting line. The victim could have gone directly to the university’s police department & made a complaint.

Sometimes, the university’s reporting system is laborious, although I will say BK lost his TA position pretty fast. I’m not sure the University could have anticipated he would continue to be a problem as a regular graduate student (no power over grades) & kill four people.

 

[mickey2942]

Unless grad school has changed significantly, bullying is rampant. And many TA's are terrible teachers.

Students complained, he was being administratively managed out of the program. He was terminated prior to the massacre. I don't see that the university has any culpability here.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Unless grad school has changed significantly, bullying is rampant. And many TA's are terrible teachers.

Students complained, he was being administratively managed out of the program. He was terminated prior to the massacre. I don't see that the university has any culpability here.

It seems like TAs are either wonderful (more accessible & helpful than the professor) or terrible. No in-between, at least that’s my experience.

 

[PrairieWind]

look, they put him under advisement, there were complaints, they fired him from his leadership position in the class. they warned him. yes, they are professionals in this field and they recognized traits in BKoh.

so they did everything...but then if you take a quick sideways glance...they maybe could have pressed further with police over his creepy behavior....but then it would just barley cross a line if at all in terms of a prosecution. The one student could have tried to push on the breaking and entering...an arrest warrant could have given birth to a search warrant perhaps enlightening information would have been found. It's a far stretch but they might have pushed the police to investigate his "kidnapping" of the woman when he wouldn't stop talking to her and leave her car.

here they are..legal professionals, yet they never brought in LE. I think where they are going is there should be ZERO tolerance for sexual harassment and 100 percent of the time LE will be involved if you are found to be doing any kind of harassing behavior.

It's would have, could have, should have...because they also should have guessed that dumping him could be the catalyst for something bad. I don't know but I think the University should settle and pay the families of the victims .

ask them have they changed their advisements on matters like this? New rules on harassment and criminality at Brian's school?

I'm so curious.

Pay for what? The University isn't responsible for what BK did. WSU is a public university and thus has a responsibility to the taxpayers. I don't think they should pay anything.

 

[Dotta]

Unless grad school has changed significantly, bullying is rampant. And many TA's are terrible teachers.

Students complained, he was being administratively managed out of the program. He was terminated prior to the massacre. I don't see that the university has any culpability here.

If they had got rid of him immediately,
then I suppose!!!
he would have returned to Pennsylvania
because he didn't have enough money to pay for his studies.

Or could he have found another job in the area and still carried the attack?
I'm not sure.

G.Family sues the University thinking of their daughter
who was a victim of this particular attack.

It seems that while living with parents
BK didn't attack anyone.
Only when he was left to his own devices.

JMO

PS
Sorry for any grammatical errors!!!
Third conditional is a nightmare for foreigners hehehe

 

[Dotta]

Unless grad school has changed significantly, bullying is rampant. And many TA's are terrible teachers.

Students complained, he was being administratively managed out of the program. He was terminated prior to the massacre. I don't see that the university has any culpability here.

It is only "rampant" because people allow it to be rampant.

IMO!!!
If Institutions were slapped with civil lawsuits and forced to pay
maybe they would act more quickly to crush it, to prevent it, to help the victims.

After all,
they are responsible for students who choose their school/university.

When there's a true will
there is a way.

Oh,
and with AI advancing,
I'm afraid
bullying can become even more rampant.

Well,
this is my opinion and I stand by it.

Everybody should try to fight bullying/abuse as much as one can.

DIY,
without looking at others,
without waiting for others to act.

"Zero Tolerance" is my motto.

JMO

PS
There was once a guy who tried to bully me hehehe
I lost my patience (turned the air blue),
went to Police station and warned him about criminal charges.
And guess what???
He ran as quickly as his legs could carry him
Once I saw him in the city, he quickly said "Good morning" and crossed the street

I have NO patience for bullies!
And nobody should.
We have to value ourselves!

 

[Warwick7]

"Goncalves family
sues WSU over Bryan Kohberger's troubling behavior before murders.

View attachment 625999

Goncalves family
is suing Washington State University,
seeking accountability and transparency
regarding concerning behaviors exhibited by Kohberger before the murders.

Complaints from classmates and faculty against Kohberger include:
- stalking,
- spatially trapping,
- staring,
- and aggression,
ultimately leading to faculty being escorted to cars and mandatory behavioral training for graduate students.

A tally board was kept in a student office
to track Kohberger’s discriminatory comments and late arrivals,
some female students avoided being alone with him,
and emails were sent with 911 subject lines expressing nervousness about his presence.

13 separate complaints were filed against Kohberger,
who was fired from his teaching assistant position at WSU for 'behavioral issues'.

The Gonvalves family could be using the lawsuit's discovery process
to gain access to university records,
some of which are protected by FERPA laws,
similar to HIPAA regulations."

Goncalves family sues WSU over Bryan Kohberger's troubling behavior before murders

The Goncalves family is suing Washington State University, the school Bryan Kohberger attended when he killed their daughter, Kaylee Goncalves, and three of her

idahonews.com

There are 13 separate complaints that we know about.

We can't neglect the fact that WSU in 2022 started in mid August and the murders happened mid November.

That is only 90 days.

We aren't talking about complaints of stalking and abuse over a year or two....

 

[Megnut]

There are 13 separate complaints that we know about.

We can't neglect the fact that WSU in 2022 started in mid August and the murders happened mid November.

That is only 90 days.

We aren't talking about complaints of stalking and abuse over a year or two....

And maybe that's what the lawsuit will reveal, that the University took direct action, following their protocol. But the families can't know that without being able to query the powers that be. Which is what a lawsuit does. Depositions. Access. Who knew what and what and what was being done about it.

Accountability and transparency.

Whether any action would have prevented this crime, delayed it, accelerated it, who can know?

To think he might have been seriously considered for that LE job... scary. I must admit, I'm a little surprised his vehicle didn't have store-bought cop lights and his kill suit didn't say POLICE or FBI or SWAT. Just think of the access he might have mustered. "It's okay, I'm here to help you."

It's terrifying to know killer's walk among us.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

I just don’t understand what else the University could have done. Any female who felt violated by BK could have contacted LE directly. This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth even though I hope BK rots. Why not sue the female who believed he broke into her apartment and didn’t report it? It all makes no sense.

 

[Dotta]

And maybe that's what the lawsuit will reveal, that the University took direct action, following their protocol. But the families can't know that without being able to query the powers that be. Which is what a lawsuit does. Depositions. Access. Who knew what and what and what was being done about it.

Accountability and transparency.

Whether any action would have prevented this crime, delayed it, accelerated it, who can know?

To think he might have been seriously considered for that LE job... scary. I must admit, I'm a little surprised his vehicle didn't have store-bought cop lights and his kill suit didn't say POLICE or FBI or SWAT. Just think of the access he might have mustered. "It's okay, I'm here to help you."

It's terrifying to know killer's walk among us.

JMO

Re Accountability and Transparency

"Transparency" is a key word here IMO.

Secrecy is the biggest weapon of abusers.

The lawsuit will be the opportunity
to check if everything possible was done to protect the students in a proper way.

To prove or disprove the "Accountability".

This is the reason why civil lawsuits exist, no?

I honestly don't understand the uproar.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1991551131743576099

 

[MGF]

I doubt the case will go anywhere, and will be tossed out by the court...But...I think this more of a fishing expedition than anything else. I think SG wants access to WSU's internal emails regarding BK, and copies of the complaints in full. 13 complaints is excessive by any standard, and the secondary questions are if WSU enforces the rules on their books, and do they enforce those rules evenly? The other information this lawsuit would reveal would be WSUP's internal communications regarding BK, and all of their communications with Pullman PD, Moscow PD, and Latah County DA. I think the communication between the WSU student affairs department and WSUPD, and the lack thereof could be revealing.

But I doubt this case makes it to trial.