GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[cottonweaver]

Just in a few photos I’ve seen of Ethan, he had nice-looking solid legs. I have no idea whether the killer’s legs were scrawny or shaped funny or normal. But based on an experience I had when I had first started dating my husband, I can imagine envy was possible. I was a sophomore at the university, riding the train back to school after Thanksgiving. I happened to be sitting next to a guy who was on the same dorm floor as my new bf. Very nice guy. They played intramural sports together, and in that context he commented to me that my bf had really good legs. He also said he had good hands. It kind of took me aback, but it wasn’t creepy. I just thought maybe he was teasing me in some subtle way. As it happens, my dh did and still does have very nice-looking legs to this day at age 80. His hands are OK too. But I got a little whiff of envy from his dorm mate. So I guess guys notice these things and maybe compare themselves. Envy taken to an extreme by someone like the killer could lead to carving/desecrating Ethan’s calves. It doesn’t seem farfetched IMO.

Funny you should mention that because when he was being sentenced I noticed his arms again and then recalled his student peers saying he'd always worn long sleeves, even in the heat of summer.

Very scrawny arms, for a man. I also thought he might be self conscious about that and it possibly wasn't related to injection tracks as pre previous speculation.

 

[stormymama]

Apologies for being behind & potentially dredging up a specific point which may have already been put to bed. Some potentially graphic descriptions follow, so please skip if you’re overly sensitive.

Where I am currently reading, there is still discussion regarding a potential 2nd weapon due to the extent of non-knife injuries.

I speak on this from personal experience (training & being a younger person whose dad made sure his son didn’t take personal threats lightly as a kid) - an object held tightly in one’s hand who understands the concept of how to effectively punch is able to increase damage more so than some of us may think. I could very easily imagine the knife handle was the cause of the additional injuries, punches thrown while tightly gripping the knife &/or strikes made with the butt of the handle using "hammer fist blows". Either of these could break facial bones & knock out teeth. Kind of falls along the lines of holding a roll of coins while making a fist or employing a yawara type of weapon.

JMO & 100% speculative/thinking out loud.

ETA I seem to recall the intent of the design of the Ka-Bar pommel (butt) was something which could be used as a makeshift hammer. Not necessarily a permanent solution as a hammer but in times of necessity when a soldier might be stranded in the field during combat (a survival situation) or employed as an additional weapon (smashing into an opposing soldier’s helmet).

Memory unlocked. I used a roll of nickels in my first fight, back when I was a little "stormier" than I am now in my old age.

I think it was the butt of the K-bar that made the marks on KG. moo

 

[RatFace]

I call that a half truth. Not everybody wanted it demolished. Ask SG he and his family were infuriated. JMOO

I don't know why SG would have been infuriated unless it was just about the timing. SG didn't own the house so really isn't entitled to a say. It was a very nice gesture for the owner to donate it to the University. As a kid I lived right behind a house where 3 people were randomly murdered (unsolved case). It was creepy to even live near it and we moved within a year or so. And I remember they had a hard time selling the house but did eventually sell it - probably at a deep discount!

 

[LetsSolvIt]

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[Joe Friday]

"Referring to the fact that the sheets were pulled back on Kaylee’s bed, Fixer asked Thompson if it’s possible that Kaylee was sleeping in her own room and then went into Maddie‘s room after hearing the commotion. Thompson said that is not what his observation of the scene showed. Both girls were underneath the covers in Maddie’s bed, in their pajamas (indicating they were both in the bed when the murderer entered Maddie’s room)."

Just a theory
I think that during the struggle with Xana, Ethan may have begun to stir in the bed. The murderer could've slashed at Ethan's legs in order to instantly incapacitate him, before rendering the fatal wounds.

MOO

BBM

It boggles my mind that one man could control two people as he stabs them both to death, and non of the other room mates (surviving or deceased) were aware of what was actually happening at the time. This happened not only once, but twice.

I don't' think BK could have known or expected there would be two people in each of the two bedrooms prior to entering the house.

There is no mention of the victims being gagged or bound, which leads me to believe it was an all out attack on both victims from the moment BK entered into each room.

Obviously BK couldn't have carried out the attacks on two people at the same time as efficiently as he did in the dark, which also leads me to believe BK had to have turned on the light in order to see what he was doing as he entered each bedroom, since it's likely each of the victims were sleeping at the time BK entered the rooms and started his attack.

Did alcohol play a big factor on subduing the victims to the point they weren't awakened or resist as much as if they were sober?

Had BK attacked the students on a week night when perhaps alcohol would not have been a factor would the outcome been the same?

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

BBM

It boggles my mind that one man could control two people as he stabs them both to death, and non of the other room mates (surviving or deceased) were aware of what was actually happening at the time. This happened not only once, but twice.

I don't' think BK could have known or expected there would be two people in each of the two bedrooms prior to entering the house.

There is no mention of the victims being gagged or bound, which leads me to believe it was an all out attack on both victims from the moment BK entered into each room.

Obviously BK couldn't have carried out the attacks on two people at the same time as efficiently as he did in the dark, which also leads me to believe BK had to have turned on the light in order to see what he was doing as he entered each bedroom, since it's likely each of the victims were sleeping at the time BK entered the rooms and started his attack.

Did alcohol play a big factor on subduing the victims to the point they weren't awakened or resist as much as if they were sober?

Had BK attacked the students on a week night when perhaps alcohol would not have been a factor would the outcome been the same?

JMO

Sadly, any small thing could have changed the outcome. If BF had gone upstairs to get something out of the fridge, if the Door Dash driver had been a little bit earlier or later, if Xana wasn’t hungry, if Kaylee had fallen asleep in her old bedroom and Murphy alerted her, if every entrance was locked…

Someone might have seen BK slithering in and sounded the alarm.

 

[femto]

BBM

It boggles my mind that one man could control two people as he stabs them both to death, and non of the other room mates (surviving or deceased) were aware of what was actually happening at the time. This happened not only once, but twice.

JMO

They knew or at least had an idea that something had went very wrong. They just didn't want to believe it and wanted to pretend everything is normal and in the morning things will be as usual. It's a coping mechanism. They were also drunk which also exacerbates bad decision making. Also I don't think Dylan or Bethany reacting would have changed anything. Apart from Xana, all the rest wouldn't really have had time to scream or give out alert that something is wrong.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

Just a theory
I think that during the struggle with Xana, Ethan may have begun to stir in the bed. The murderer could've slashed at Ethan's legs in order to instantly incapacitate him, before rendering the fatal wounds.

MOO

My first thought also--I think he incapacitated EC by "hamstringing".
Just pure evil.

 

[AngTxGal]

Can we say that all sociopathic murders of stranger are incels? Kohberger murdered 3 women and one man. Injuries to the man are odd, like he was playing with his body.

We don't know whether Kohberger's motive was similar to Bundy - sexual violence-based gratification, or that he wanted to have the experience of killing four people.

My impression is that most interpret the Idaho murders as intent to murder several students in their home. I believe that his intent was to kidnap Maddie for violence-based sexual gratification, and leave everyone wondering how she vanished in the middle of the night. Neither is similar to the murder of 14 female engineering students in Montreal (1989) who were killed only because they were clever women entering a field dominated by men.

I'm curious about how "incels" frame their retaliation against women. If it includes sexual violence, how is it different from everyday sociopaths like Bundy? If it excludes sexual violence, how does it related to involuntary celibacy?

I’m just now understanding what an incel is, I had no idea it was an organized online movement that draws in young males. Guys get pulled in like being recruited or radicalized.
Most think of Andrew Tate, Elliot Rodger come to mind, and how they have BK to celebrate.

Type incel into Google, there is some kind of public discussion forum, and my guess is there are groups everywhere- all over the world.

Take a look at the YouTube video of DM’s victim impact statement- the comments section.
It is terrifying how these young men think, and they are anonymous, feel brave, and hype each other up, and celebrate events like BKs murders.

And it doesn’t just include harm to women- who are referred to as “Stacy”
It also includes harm to young men who are successful with these women- called “Chad”

Speaking for myself, and likely most people, I knew the word and the type but had no idea it was an organized community
IMO

 

[Sundog]

WOW!!!!

I found it interesting that Joseph Scott Morgan said that he thought that some university, somewhere, would offer BK the opportunity to work toward a PhD while in prison. He wasn't happy about that, of course, but just said that he sees this possibly happening at some point.

Also, that the study of BK will likely take place by the academic community (books will be written, interviews given, etc.).

 

[AngTxGal]

I found it interesting that Joseph Scott Morgan said that he thought that some university, somewhere, would offer BK the opportunity to work toward a PhD while in prison. He wasn't happy about that, of course, but just said that he sees this possibly happening at some point.

Also, that the academic study of BK will likely take place by the academic community (books will be written, interviews given, etc.).

As odd as it may seem, I don’t have an immediate nauseated feeling and I’m not sure why.

There have been prisoners who earned law degrees and gave ‘legal advice’ to other prisoners in prison.

Thinking on it

IMO

 

[arielilane]

I havent watched this yet.

Thanks everyone who has checked out my new podcast.Latest episode just dropped.After Bryan Kohberger's arrest, two IDs belonging to females he either worked with or was acquainted with were found. Also- @kfixler got toxicology results. Full episode here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950879573421240605

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I found it interesting that Joseph Scott Morgan said that he thought that some university, somewhere, would offer BK the opportunity to work toward a PhD while in prison. He wasn't happy about that, of course, but just said that he sees this possibly happening at some point.

Also, that the study of BK will likely take place by the academic community (books will be written, interviews given, etc.).

This interview with Josh Ritter, as well as two special “Body Bags” podcasts on specifics of each murder are full of insight.

\/ TRIGGER ALERT: VERY GRUSOME \/

EXPLOSIVE PROOF! Maddie and Kaylee Fought Back Against Cowardly Attacker

Podcast Episode · Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan · 07/30/2025 · 57m

podcasts.apple.com

SHOCKING TRUTH! XANA Caught BK And Fought The Devil!

Podcast Episode · Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan · 07/31/2025 · 47m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[otto]

I found it interesting that Joseph Scott Morgan said that he thought that some university, somewhere, would offer BK the opportunity to work toward a PhD while in prison. He wasn't happy about that, of course, but just said that he sees this possibly happening at some point.

Also, that the study of BK will likely take place by the academic community (books will be written, interviews given, etc.).

Kohberger is getting the attention he wants. He's a typical white collar killer with anger issues. If some university wants to grant him a PhD, it tells us more about the calibre of the school than anything else.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

BBM

It boggles my mind that one man could control two people as he stabs them both to death, and non of the other room mates (surviving or deceased) were aware of what was actually happening at the time. This happened not only once, but twice.

I don't' think BK could have known or expected there would be two people in each of the two bedrooms prior to entering the house.

There is no mention of the victims being gagged or bound, which leads me to believe it was an all out attack on both victims from the moment BK entered into each room.

Obviously BK couldn't have carried out the attacks on two people at the same time as efficiently as he did in the dark, which also leads me to believe BK had to have turned on the light in order to see what he was doing as he entered each bedroom, since it's likely each of the victims were sleeping at the time BK entered the rooms and started his attack.

Did alcohol play a big factor on subduing the victims to the point they weren't awakened or resist as much as if they were sober?

Had BK attacked the students on a week night when perhaps alcohol would not have been a factor would the outcome been the same?

JMO

I think with Kaylee and Maddie, a lot depends on where the first knife blows went, too. Certain wounds might have started them bleeding out quickly. If they were still feeling the effects of alcohol, their reflexes would have been slowed to being with.

 

[Dotta]

Kohberger is getting the attention he wants. He's a typical white collar killer with anger issues. If some university wants to grant him a PhD, it tells us more about the calibre of the school than anything else.

Didn't one of Menendez brothers finish University course (Sociology)
while in prison?

I don't think prison authorities mind.
I even think they encourage activities.
At least such inmates are occupied studying.

Too much free time and boredom are dangerous, especially in prison.

You know
Something like
"Idle hands" and "the devil's tools" hehe

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

48 Hours interview with Bill Thompson. Peter Van Sant pressed him hard on why they didn't make it a requirement for Kohberger to at least provide investigators with details of the crime.

Thompson said that his concern was that Kohberger would lie, and say things inconsistent with the evidence, which would potentially threaten the plea deal.

An interesting tidbit involves the strange events the victims experienced in the months leading up to the murders (damaged door, shadowy figure, etc).

Investigators looked at the timing of those events and compared them to Kohberger's phone activity (those two dozen late night trips to the area). They found nothing that would corroborate Kohberger being there during those days/times.

 

[Warwick7]

I don't know why SG would have been infuriated unless it was just about the timing. SG didn't own the house so really isn't entitled to a say. It was a very nice gesture for the owner to donate it to the University. As a kid I lived right behind a house where 3 people were randomly murdered (unsolved case). It was creepy to even live near it and we moved within a year or so. And I remember they had a hard time selling the house but did eventually sell it - probably at a deep discount!

He wasn't entitled to say, however, the feeling of all the victim's family members I'm sure were taken into consideration. M00

As for the house. The owner had already taken a huge loss because of what the killer did. We wanted to tear our building down that we owned on main street. The cost to tear down a house varies, but generally ranges from $4 to $15 per square foot, with total costs ranging from $4,000 to $60,000 or more yada yada yada...

M00 is the University said they would take it off his hands if he gave it to him and then cover the cost of removing of it.

 

[gremlin444]

BBM


Obviously BK couldn't have carried out the attacks on two people at the same time as efficiently as he did in the dark, which also leads me to believe BK had to have turned on the light in order to see what he was doing as he entered each bedroom, since it's likely each of the victims were sleeping at the time BK entered the rooms and started his attack.

Did alcohol play a big factor on subduing the victims to the point they weren't awakened or resist as much as if they were sober?

Had BK attacked the students on a week night when perhaps alcohol would not have been a factor would the outcome been the same?

JMO

RE: lights

Social media photos/videos seen in the various documentaries and on their SM accounts showed that both girls had strings of fairy lights in their rooms. Maddie's room was fairly small, and had lights framing the opening to her closet which appears to be only 3-4 feet away from her bed, along with a line of lights (might even all be one strand) that ran up the side of her window nearest where her boots were displayed. Many young adults that I know don't turn off their fairy lights to go to sleep, and Maddie went to bed with her false eyelashes on so I could see turning those lights off to be the last thing on her mind that night.

Xana also had fairy lights on the full length mirror that stood in the far corner near her window.

Bill Thompson said yesterday:
Autopsy reports are confidential in Washington, he noted. But he shared generally that the toxicology results for the four victims, which have not before been released, showed “varying levels of alcohol intoxication” and “no evidence of any illegal drug use at all,” Thompson said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311513829.html#storylink=cpy

The prosecution was going to have a Dr. Dawson testify as to the the effects of intoxication on the victims, specifically Maddie:

Dr. Gary Dawson was disclosed in rebuttal by the State to testify to "the degree of impairment of the victims, particularly Madison Mogen, at the time of the homicide." His expert report, attached to his disclosure, opines that Madison Mogen would have been "markedly intoxicated from the effects of alcohol around the time of her death. She would not have the ability to mount a meaningful response to a sudden threat to her person." Dawson Rpt., p. 3. He further states that while he has limited his review to Madison Mogen, the same "general principles" apply to the other victims.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/042425+Order+on+Defendants+Motion+in+Limine+RE+Vague+and+Undisclosed+Expert+Testimony.pdf

 

[SteveP]

WOW!!!!

One of the most gruesome images, and most highly debated on this forum, was the blood-like substance seen seeping from the King Road house in photos taken shortly after the murders, with many believing that it could not have actually been blood. It has now been confirmed that it was indeed blood, and was Ethan's. That haunting picture will stay with me for the rest of my life, and learning new information about the sheer brutality of the murders has made it even more haunting.

In Kernodle's room, her body was on the floor and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin's body was on her bed. Chapin's blood seeped out of the side of the house in the hours before his body was discovered, officials confirmed.

I cannot even think of the murderer as human. He is purely evil incarnate. JMO

Idaho murders: Investigators speak out about targets, motive and interviewing Kohberger

ABC News sat down with Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson, the lead detective in the Idaho murders case, after Bryan Kohberger was put behind bars for life.

abcnews.go.com