GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

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If you have not listened already, I highly recommend the 3-episode podcast by @othram on their work to help solve this case. Their podcast (shown and linked at the right side of this page) is America’s Crime Lab and the series is entitled “New Forensic Details from the Idaho Student Murders”.
Thanks for sharing!

We hope that the 3-episode story helps clarify what happened and didn't happen in the case.

If you use Apple Podcasts, here is a direct link to the first episode:
 
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I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.
I may be getting cases mixed up but wasn't part of the deal is that BK can't appeal?
 
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I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

The plea deal fiasco—I don’t think the use of the database they used to Id him was 100% legal—even contracted out—so that may have been something Taylor could use to get the DNA thrown out—in which case BK might have walked free.

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.
I think that the Kickboxing came into play for the major injuries to her face. He wanted to destroy her beauty, IMO.
 
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Hmm...seems we've traversed these grounds multiple times on how 80+ stabs to 4 people in such a short period time.

Let's do it again...

Let's start with dingbat's element of surprise. These young people were most likely asleep (except for Xana) and heavily intoxicated when the attacks began. A surviving roommate was in a "frozen shock phase" after seeing the masked killer, indicating in M00 the attack was sudden and disorienting. This gave dingbat a significant advantage, as he did not have to overpower four people simultaneously.

Lest we have dingbat's criminal education and backround. He knew to focus on vulnerable areas that would incapacitate victims very quickly. In the medical field it tells us a fatal stab to the chest can cause the brain to die within seconds. This means that while the overall number of wounds was high, the fatal injuries could have been inflicted extremely fast.

His alleged kick boxing and running would cause him to be physically fit. This would enable dingbat to exert the force needed to inflict the wounds, in M00.

Its not unheard of that in some attacks, the act of stabbing can occur in a matter of seconds. For example, the Sydney stabbings in 2024 showed that a person with a knife can inflict multiple fatal wounds and injure many people very quickly...
This "Dingbat" is probably re-living the murders over and over in his mind and enjoying every single moment.
 
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I think that the Kickboxing came into play for the major injuries to her face. He wanted to destroy her beauty, IMO.

AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO
 
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AT wanted us to believe he was feeble, incapable of precision. He may have elements of that, but the Kbar doesn't. Vicious weapon.

IMO he was in the process of killing his first victim when he suddenly had a second victim to contend with. He was going to win every battle here -- the Kbar had the advantage -- but he had to pivot. That's where his kickboxing comes in. He didn't even need to be overly agile -- the Kbar countered all his deficits. Conveniently the butt end of the knife is a pommel. He reverses his stab and now it's a blunt force weapon.

The biggest risk to him was a victim screaming. For me, that explains the brutal facial injuries. He didn't have time to coordinate his movements, not in the way he had delivered them to his first victim. Lord, he must have been absolutely crazed. If he had a gun, we'd be talking a firestorm of shots.

I'm convinced that, one part of what made the events if that night so confusing for the surviving roommates was how brief it was. Except for the barking, it might have been as few as four (but not probably more than seven) minutes of sounds that made no sense. "I wonder if someone is being stabbed to death" on no one's radar, who would even imagine that?

Competing forever in my head, forlorn Murphy looking back at the grief huddle and BK at the store with his water -- almost simultaneous events.

I'll say it again -- Murphy is more of a man than BK will ever be.

A beautiful curly mop embodying loyalty, protection, attachment, affection. Love bug.

JMO
Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.
 
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Murphy breaks my heart. He witnessed the entire brutal attack on his people.
Humans can get therapy for emotional trauma, sadly animals can't.

I share your soft spot.

And, while Murphy can't maybe get therapy in the traditional sense, we can be sure he's providing it.

JMO
 
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I can’t get over how he essentially caved Kaylee’s face in… broke her nose, knocked her teeth out and stabbed her in the face and head in addition to severing her liver etc. I can’t imagine the physical strength it would take to do that.

And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

As for who he targeted, it’s anybody’s guess. At first everyone thought it was Kaylee because of the mutilation of her body—why it seemed personal and targeted. Now, folks seem to think it was Maddie because she looked like a past “love” interest of BK’s.

As for him knowing/not knowing how many people were in the home, his detective skills are abysmal—almost like he was more of a peeping Tom than actually analyzing and planning.

<modsnip>

Their “reason” that he might lie is the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. They’re definitely hiding something—and they may have valid reasons for doing so. I’m beginning to doubt that one person could make over 80 stab wounds to 4 different people in 2 or 3 minutes?

Just some early hour musings. <modsnip>

Time will tell.
He wouldn't have inflicted those injuries on Kaylee manually. I've always believed he used the pommel of the knife, which is designed specifically for that purpose. You can hammer nails with that thing.

He arrived at 4:07, and sped away at 4:20. I believe these murders took no more than 7-8 minutes, which is an eternity. You can stab someone multiple times a second, and with the exception of Xana, this was akin to shooting fish in a barrel.

Not only was an accomplice unnecessary, but every piece of evidence refutes it. This guy didn't have a friend in the world, yet he somehow finds someone willing to kill with him? This person leaves no evidence, and they bizarrely share a knife. It also doesn't fit with the crime scene itself, as the state narrative makes perfect sense based on the timeline and the location of the bodies.

I don't believe that him lying was the reason they didn't ask him questions. I believe Thompson wanted this deal done, and didn't want to take any chances when it came to Kohberger agreeing.

Anne Taylor did a tremendous job, doing everything she could to get the death penalty off the table. <modsnip>There is zero chance he has an ineffective counsel argument.
 
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And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

All he meant was that he didn't want BK popping up to stand every time he was asked a question (some judges in some kinds of hearings do want that..or they have the defendant keep standing instead of sitting down between each question). If Hippler expects you to stand, he'll instruct you to. Hippler was also saying it was unnecessary as well as coming across as obsequious--all he needed to do to show proper courtroom respect to the judge was use polite language when addressing him and follow all directions.

Not to mention it was a plea hearing where it was already known to all that he was confessing to a quadruple murder--the guards and LE really don't want him constantly standing up....too much of a risk and puts everyone on edge. It doesn't help that the layout of that courtroom was rather odd.....usually they are set up so that the defense table and the prosecution table are set up side by side parallel to each other--not in this unusual perpendicular layout they had in that courtroom. That means every time he stands up, he's essentially facing out to the prosecution and the families/friends/audience as opposed to standing with his back to them.
 
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All he meant was that he didn't want BK popping up to stand every time he was asked a question (some judges in some kinds of hearings do want that..or they have the defendant keep standing instead of sitting down between each question). If Hippler expects you to stand, he'll instruct you to. Hippler was also saying it was unnecessary as well as coming across as obsequious--all he needed to do to show proper courtroom respect to the judge was use polite language when addressing him and follow all directions.

Not to mention it was a plea hearing where it was already known to all that he was confessing to a quadruple murder--the guards and LE really don't want him constantly standing up....too much of a risk and puts everyone on edge. It doesn't help that the layout of that courtroom was rather odd.....usually they are set up so that the defense table and the prosecution table are set up side by side parallel to each other--not in this unusual perpendicular layout they had in that courtroom. That means every time he stands up, he's essentially facing out to the prosecution and the families/friends/audience as opposed to standing with his back to them.

Excellent points.

He murdered four people in minutes.

It's safer for everyone if he remains seated.

Just saw, in another courtroom, a defendant who was found guilty of his crimes tried to stab himself. If BK is standing, he has a split second advantage, should he attempt to harm himself or anyone else. Seated, he needs that split second to stand, handing the split second advantage to the guards.

Judge didn't editorialize but IMO he neutralized BK swiftly.

Imagine how frightening just his standing up might have felt to the victims. It's aggressive, dominating.

Judge took that power away from him masterfully.

I'm reminded of KG's sister's more direct approach -- sit up when I'm talking to you.

Judge was calm with his directive but no less effective in putting BK in his place.

I can't help but to wonder, I mean, surely his attorneys advised him on the court's procedure and preference. Perhaps they did. And he took his own liberty. He doesn't seem to be constrained by convention.

Either way, Hippler made it clear.

My courtroom, not yours.

JMO
 
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Screen grab from the end of the video, enlarged, a murderer walking among us

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is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it often to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe
 
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is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it all the time to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe
It’s not just you. Maybe I’m just Monday morning quarterbacking, but I think the exact same thing every time I see a new picture or video. Those dead eyes are a glaring warning sign that he doesn’t have a lot of emotion roaming around in that head of his.
 
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And I’m really puzzled at the Judge’s “tender” comments towards Kohberger at sentencing—saying he didn’t have to stand up and show him respect. That still seems bizarre to me.

I’m also one who sees this differently.

IMO it was not meant to be tender, but actually the opposite.

Judge Hippler had BK’s number early, but naturally expected a jury would decide.

Now that they’d come to the end of the road, he wasn’t about to let Bryan desecrate the court, and the memories of his victims, by play-acting the role of a virtuous young man who shows respect for protocol.

I wonder if inwardly, the judge wanted to yell “SIT YOUR BUTT DOWN!” Of course he would translate that into proper court-speak. “It’s not necessary for you to stand when you address me.”

Just my opinion.
 
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is it just me or does he look like a murderer? like if I saw him out shopping, my first thought would be 'that guy's a murderer'
I say it often to my husband when we're out and see a creeper and sometimes I can just feel their creepy, dark vibe
Oh yes, WE can see it, but lets take a look at how he sees himself.

That outfit (shudder).. Who dresses like that anymore in their day to day everyday life? C'mon; he's a student and a graduate assistant. Not even full tenured long term professors dress like that ( well, at any of the universities where I've spent considerable time as both student and teaching professor.)

To me, that "look" he has going with his fashion statement, and just after completing a particularly gruesome homicide spree, says "look at me, I'm a respectable important person going about my respectable important life". I think he dressed this way very intentionally as a camouflage and *very intentionally* got himself on security cameras in multiple locations at times of day that seemed very normal for his routine respectable normal life, thinking he was so clever that he would never ever be suspected. That murderous look WE see was probably to him the look of "I'm so important and respected that I intimidate insignificant little people like you". His students and colleagues alike have spoken of this weird intimidating attitude using other descriptive words.

I also believe the thickness we see around his midsection is likely a compression wrap of some sort (multiple possibilities here including thin neoprene) that is used to prevent blood seepage from wounds sustained that morning (or less likely from wraps used preemptively for protection applied before his attack. Its much easier to conceal wraps under a loose button down shirt and loose dress slacks than the much more common and casual tshirt and sports pants. And a white shirt at that! Of COURSE he couldnt have POSSIBLY just committed a heinous flurry of murders, heavens no. And using his intimidating kind of presence, he'd be comfortably sure nobody would even think to question his very esteemed and important position in life. What a clever one. 🤮🤡

I believe this pathetic deviant has such a huge narcissistic self image that his mirror only has room for one image: himself. He makes space for Mother only because he sees adoration reflected back to him in her eyes. Father only exists because he's useful for summoning Mother.

He can't get reflected adoration in prison and he can't intimidate anyone there either though he laughingly tried, from behind bars, when on the phone with Mother. His future looks agonizing. Yay for that.

I'm seeking info for some psychological research: how old was BK when he first saw American Psycho, the movie he named as his all-time favorite? Did he become obsessed with it then or did that come later?
 
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Gray Hughes on NewsNation with AB

Reviews the store and Elantra footage, nicely condensed for anyone who hasn't the heart/time for his hours long coverages.

 
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Re the picture

It is not only the torso that looks bulky
but the area of hips and legs :rolleyes:

Honestly folks,
but maybe it is the angle of CCTV.
People look strange caught on such camera hahaha

JMO
I thought it looked like he had sweat pants under his pants
 
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It’s not just you. Maybe I’m just Monday morning quarterbacking, but I think the exact same thing every time I see a new picture or video. Those dead eyes are a glaring warning sign that he doesn’t have a lot of emotion roaming around in that head of his.
Totally agreed on this, these images (and video) I'm seeing of him in the store? If I were in that store, I'd be creeped out. When I try looking at him in a vacuum, like trying to look at him as if he's just "anyone," not the monster we know he is-- seriously, there's still just something about him, some weird, creepy aura. Like he's trying to be furtive, I think that's what it is. Like he's going out of his way to be unnoticed. There's just something unnatural about him, and I think that's where the furtiveness comes from-- he knows there's something unnatural about him.

And I don't think he really cares, even now. Like a ghoul.

RIP Maddie, Kaylee, Xana, and Ethan. Strength to those who carry on without them, including Murphy.
 

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