GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[katydid23]

Bryan Kohberger's latest documented complaint:"The coaxial connection to my cell is likely pushed back into the wall maintenance passage. Would you be able to assist me in fixing this issue? Thank you for your consideration."

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I guess he has the banana and muffins problem sorted out. But now the darn TV is not connected right?

 

[katydid23]

And brought tragedy to others.

Right. So if they fired him and he moved back to PA and murdered students at Penn State, can those parents sue WSU for firing him, thus sending him back home to kill ?

 

[Aquabot13]

In my own experience, academia is slow and full of odd ducks, many with antisocial tendencies. I'm actually surprised WSU was as responsive as they were. It seems like they followed their own policies, which should help them in court.

I agree that there's most likely nothing reportable here - hindsight is 20/20, but I don't think a reasonable person would look at the information WSU had at the time and conclude that this guy was a public safety risk.

I also agree with Katydid - Bryan was going to kill someone somewhere. It was just a matter of time.

I hope the families can find peace and closure, but I'm not sure this suit is going to help.

MOO

 

[minazoe]

Bryan was stalking young women. I stand by what I said, and in a small town police can be alerted to someone committing crimes of stalking and harassment. it's not up to police to decide what stalking is or what it looks like... it's not up to the university to decide who gets their claims addressed and who doesn't. It's not up to us to decide either, whether the law was broken or not.
mOO

Adding: think about the decision made regarding Gabby Petito' battery situation.

 

[Tragg]

Bryan was stalking young women. I stand by what I said, and in a small town police can be alerted to someone committing crimes of stalking and harassment. it's not up to police to decide what stalking is or what it looks like... it's not up to the university to decide who gets their claims addressed and who doesn't. It's not up to us to decide either, whether the law was broken or not.
mOO

Adding: think about the decision made regarding Gabby Petito' battery situation.

I disagree. The police do decide if a crime has been committed. Every day. Universities decide whether of not a student complaint has merit. Every day. You have stated that the Goncalves complaint has sufficient merit that the University should settle.

 

[minazoe]

the police do decide, but they can't if not given the opportunity, and being spoken to by the police regarding your reported behavior is a big deal and a huge warning...the law is the law...sometimes you get a warning, because you have no record and no one was harmed and it's a petty issue but if you get caught doing it again you better watch out. It comes out on the radio..someone knows that guy, they have been called before...etc. mOO

 

[minazoe]

look at it like this.. a young waitress at a coffee shop is being stalked and harassed by the cook. so as the owner you fire the cook immediately and do nothing else.

feels like the waitress is in even more danger now...doesn't it?

 

[Chloegirl]

the police do decide, but they can't if not given the opportunity, and being spoken to by the police regarding your reported behavior is a big deal and a huge warning...the law is the law...sometimes you get a warning, because you have no record and no one was harmed and it's a petty issue but if you get caught doing it again you better watch out. It comes out on the radio..someone knows that guy, they have been called before...etc. mOO

This likely is not about settlement. These families have felt impotent to make any changes in their situations. They want accountability, they want change, and they want more information.

A settlement will probably occur because people believe in plea deals and mediation. It is truly unfortunate, and is in no way justice for Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan.

University policies, admissions and laws need to change. JMOO

 

[minazoe]

it is not justice and I stand with the victims families and their campaign for change and damages. mOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

The families may want accountability. The lawyer wants money.

And I'd argue the university has nothing to take responsibility for. Only one person is responsible for the actions of Kohberger -- Kohberger.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Bryan was stalking young women. I stand by what I said, and in a small town police can be alerted to someone committing crimes of stalking and harassment. it's not up to police to decide what stalking is or what it looks like... it's not up to the university to decide who gets their claims addressed and who doesn't. It's not up to us to decide either, whether the law was broken or not.
mOO

Adding: think about the decision made regarding Gabby Petito' battery situation.

The Petito case was an entirely different set of circumstances.

I'd argue that the police do get to decide what is or isn't stalking. How could they not? You arrest someone for a reason. If you arrest them for stalking when they're not, then you've just committed violated your duty by wrongfully arresting someone.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

the police do decide, but they can't if not given the opportunity, and being spoken to by the police regarding your reported behavior is a big deal and a huge warning...the law is the law...sometimes you get a warning, because you have no record and no one was harmed and it's a petty issue but if you get caught doing it again you better watch out. It comes out on the radio..someone knows that guy, they have been called before...etc. mOO

So then are you arguing that universities should contact police about every student/employee issue? I'm really struggling to understand what you're saying here. You said in the other post that police don't get to decide what stalking is and the universities don't get to decide what actions get addressed. This post is saying that being spoken to by the police about your behavior is a huge warning. So if universities don't get to decide what gets addressed, then would they report every single thing and let police figure it out? Because that's unrealistic, IMO. And if that isn't what you're saying, then what exactly was the action in this case that warranted a police talking to in your opinion?

MOO.

 

[Kemug]

Fish gonna swim, birds gonna fly, killers gonna kill, innocents gonna die.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

look at it like this.. a young waitress at a coffee shop is being stalked and harassed by the cook. so as the owner you fire the cook immediately and do nothing else.

feels like the waitress is in even more danger now...doesn't it?

If the cook's actions weren't illegal, then yes, that's what you do. If they were, then the waitress files a criminal complaint. If they don't know, then it's up to the waitress to file unless the owner is a witness to the crime.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

This likely is not about settlement. These families have felt impotent to make any changes in their situations. They want accountability, they want change, and they want more information.

A settlement will probably occur because people believe in plea deals and mediation. It is truly unfortunate, and is in no way justice for Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan.

University policies, admissions and laws need to change. JMOO

How would you change them though? He was fired within one semester. Progressive discipline exists because for every BK, there are likely three more innocent students/TAs whose behavior has been misunderstood or could be corrected or is protected by federal law. Changing policies to account for getting BK out sooner would have dire consequences for others.

This is also why in the US, we're presumed innocent until proven guilty. The thinking is that it's better to not convict a guilty man because the evidence wasn't there than to convict an innocent man because there was no proof of innocence.

MOO.

 

[Aquabot13]

There may be some additional degree of culpability on the part of WSU considering that BK, as a PhD student, was an employee.

Should admissions screenings for PhD programs rise to the level of hiring screenings? Maybe. But PhD students are often there for very specific research purposes (ie to assist a certain professor) and any general TA assignments are secondary to their research. Grad students are also normally unionized, which can present additional complications around firing. On top of all of that, how do they determine when Bryan was acting in his role as an employee vs a student/customer of the school? It's a lot for a department of academics to handle.

I did see that the suit mentions Title IX - IMO that would have been the way to go with the complaints. In my experience, the Title IX coordinator is able to bypass a lot of red tape. They also understand the legal options and ramifications.

MOO.

 

[minazoe]

If the cook's actions weren't illegal, then yes, that's what you do. If they were, then the waitress files a criminal complaint. If they don't know, then it's up to the waitress to file unless the owner is a witness to the crime.

MOO.

let me help you. stalking, harassing and intimidating behavior towards women, young women, students, fellow employees, girlfriends etc...is illegal. it is predatory behavior that often times leads to dangerous behavior and sometimes violence.it is up to a judge to decide if the behavior rises to punishment , incarceration, probation, court ordered sex offender or anger management courses, ankle monitor with home confinement etc..

now a teenage girl or young woman is driving from bar to bar trying to run into her crush, maybe a broken up boyfriend..she drives by his house to see what he's doing..sounds harmless and probably is..unless she's Jodi Arias.

now Bryan, an older PHD student at a college is breaking into the apartment of a coworker and violating her space and rearranging her things...he corners another woman in her car in a parking lot, follows another one frightening her., another young woman has to hide to escape him, all in all 13 reports regarding this student who is a grown man. also take into consideration that he also has a record of burglary and heroin addiction, yet they put him in this elevated position in his school.

IMO the police could have been helpful and it would have been a good thing to make them aware of this loser in their jurisdiction.

you know they can say they can't do anything until he does something...but what he was doing IS something..that's why there are laws about this, mOO

 

[LinasK]

let me help you. stalking, harassing and intimidating behavior towards women, young women, students, fellow employees, girlfriends etc...is illegal. it is predatory behavior that often times leads to dangerous behavior and sometimes violence.it is up to a judge to decide if the behavior rises to punishment , incarceration, probation, court ordered sex offender or anger management courses, ankle monitor with home confinement etc..

now a teenage girl or young woman is driving from bar to bar trying to run into her crush, maybe a broken up boyfriend..she drives by his house to see what he's doing..sounds harmless and probably is..unless she's Jodi Arias.

now Bryan, an older PHD student at a college is breaking into the apartment of a coworker and violating her space and rearranging her things...he corners another woman in her car in a parking lot, follows another one frightening her., another young woman has to hide to escape him, all in all 13 reports regarding this student who is a grown man. also take into consideration that he also has a record of burglary and heroin addiction, yet they put him in this elevated position in his school.

IMO the police could have been helpful and it would have been a good thing to make them aware of this loser in their jurisdiction.

you know they can say they can't do anything until he does something...but what he was doing IS something..that's why there are laws about this, mOO

Only if the WSU students were willing to report that they were victims of stalking. Otherwise the police can't act. I still fail to see why the university is on trial here. He wasn't given a TAship in spite of that fact. That's how your post sounds. And police in WA wouldn't have notified police in Idaho prior to the murders, so unless he was locked up for stalking, what good what it have done?

 

[Dotta]

let me help you. stalking, harassing and intimidating behavior towards women, young women, students, fellow employees, girlfriends etc...is illegal. it is predatory behavior that often times leads to dangerous behavior and sometimes violence.it is up to a judge to decide if the behavior rises to punishment , incarceration, probation, court ordered sex offender or anger management courses, ankle monitor with home confinement etc..

now a teenage girl or young woman is driving from bar to bar trying to run into her crush, maybe a broken up boyfriend..she drives by his house to see what he's doing..sounds harmless and probably is..unless she's Jodi Arias.

now Bryan, an older PHD student at a college is breaking into the apartment of a coworker and violating her space and rearranging her things...he corners another woman in her car in a parking lot, follows another one frightening her., another young woman has to hide to escape him, all in all 13 reports regarding this student who is a grown man. also take into consideration that he also has a record of burglary and heroin addiction, yet they put him in this elevated position in his school.

IMO the police could have been helpful and it would have been a good thing to make them aware of this loser in their jurisdiction.

you know they can say they can't do anything until he does something...but what he was doing IS something..that's why there are laws about this, mOO

What really angers me
is that BK seemed to feel untouchable there, emboldened even
by lack of university's adequate reactions.

As we say in my country
"Give bully a finger
And bully soon will take the whole arm".

We can throw arguments to & fro
but the ugly truth is IMO
that a mad murderer was mixing freely with students and staff
not particularly bothered by his superiors.

And the irony is
it all happened in Criminology Faculty
where, one would hope, the professors should be particularly conscious of certain pathological behaviours.
This guy was a walking&talking Red Flag

Honestly folks,
you just couldn't make it up!!!

SMH

JMO

 

[minazoe]

What really angers me
is that BK seemed to feel untouchable there, emboldened even
by lack of university's adequate reactions.

As we say in my country
"Give bully a finger
And bully soon will take the whole arm".

We can throw arguments to & fro
but the ugly truth is IMO
that a mad murderer was mixing freely with students and staff
not particularly bothered by his superiors.

And the irony is
it all happened in Criminology Faculty
where, one would hope, the professors should be particularly conscious of certain pathological behaviours.
This guy was a walking&talking Red Flag

Honestly folks,
you just couldn't make it up!!!

SMH

JMO

he skirted laws that he was well aware of..but it's also like he was testing..testing the waters, he was on a big ego trip with his "position".

that's the thing..we can't ever know what effect more action against Bryan would have had. in the best outcome? maybe he could have been scared straight, maybe he would have had a psych intervention maybe he would have been locked up for awhile preventing the murders on King road and his obsession abandoned.. we can't measure the potential an intervention could have held.

4 lives.

mOO