Please Read. The JBR forum is just a wee bit different than the rest.

[mjak]

Tricia, thank you for your honesty.

-mjak

 

[MistyM]

i was just reading another site and someone said if the dna matches that means the ramsey's planted evidence at the crime lab. so i don't think people will ever change their mind no matter what.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I have followed this case for a long time, although I rarely post. Maybe if the Ramsey's had behaved as victims (in the sense that they lost their precious daughter) instead of in the sense that they were "falsely accused", more people here (and elsewhere) would believe in their innocence. I hope this makes sense!

 

[JBean]

i was just reading another site and someone said if the dna matches that means the ramsey's planted evidence at the crime lab. so i don't think people will ever change their mind no matter what.

lol I was waiting for that.

 

[RiverRat]

you can leave but i highly doubt you will find any site discussing the ramsey case that will not have both sides disagreeing

forumsforjustice.org has done so successfully for years. Anyone can read and learn from there without registering. Thing is, we are pretty much all in agreement and getting to Jayelles everyday....

The DoubleBB gladly takes posters that want only happy Ramsey thoughts. Not a ST fan? Even better! They have also lasted for years without major problems between the posters since the are on the same page.

RR

 

[windovervocalcords]

How is stating one's opinion that the Ramsey's were complicit in Jon Benet's death "bashing".

I think the term is overused on WS. JMO.

 

[southcitymom]

How is stating one's opinion that the Ramsey's were complicit in Jon Benet's death "bashing".

I think the term is overused on WS. JMO.

Hi Windover,

Did I miss a post? Of course it's not bashing to state that the Ramsey's were complicit. They remain suspects to this day.

However, if someone is of the opinion that the Ramseys are in no way involved in JBR's death and are, in fact, victims because of the unsolved murder of their daughter, it would be difficult to come to these boards and read posts about people jumping for joy at Patsy's death and not experience that as victim-bashing.

Like everything else, it's just a matter of perspective.

 

[close_enough]

How is stating one's opinion that the Ramsey's were complicit in Jon Benet's death "bashing".

I think the term is overused on WS. JMO.

i agree with this, completely!
..someone posted about the "bashing" of Mark Lunsford's family...hey, i for one had my suspicions about Jessica's grandfather, but i wasn't "bashing" him...it was a SUSPICION, & if i had to go back to the same time, same info given out, i'd be suspicious again ..... good grief, suspicion is not bashing, but everyone wants to start cryin "bashing" all the time....i've never liked Amber Frye either, & i still don't think she 'made' the entire case on S Peterson, but back in the day, if anyone said anything about her, we'd all get the "bashing" thang again...good lord, i get so tired of that stupid word...it is overused....

& furthermore, Tricia, i don't think you owe anyone an explanation for how you run WS....

(thank you, i feel better now)

 

[julianne]

I have followed this case for a long time, although I rarely post. Maybe if the Ramsey's had behaved as victims (in the sense that they lost their precious daughter) instead of in the sense that they were "falsely accused", more people here (and elsewhere) would believe in their innocence. I hope this makes sense!

With all due respect, I'd be hard pressed to tell anyone that they weren't "behaving" in the right way after losing their daughter in such a horrific way. Couple that with suddenly being thrust into an international spotlight and public scrutiny because of the crime, AND being accused of being the perp and/or masterminding the whole disgusting act....where's the rulebook on how one should behave in that situation? Sure, I don't think I would've "behaved" in the same way, but that doesn't mean diddly. Everyone grieves differently, and there is no "right" or "wrong" way.

 

[cappuccina]

....but there are forensic psychiatrists who study norms of behavior after someone dies, and they have found that people who have murdered someone and are trying to cover it up show certain types of behavior patterns (or lack of other behaviors) far more often than those grieving the loss of a loved one under "normal" circumstances. In addition, there are patterns found far more often in murders committed by family members than in murders committed between strangers.

You will notice, for example, that the Ramseys are about the ONLY folks I and others know of who have had a child "abducted" and murdered who are not public activists in some way for child safety...Literally....I know of NO ONE ELSE in this circumstance who does not do charitable work and very public activism for this cause...Hell,the lady in my neighborhood whose son got run over on a busy street here does all kinds of things lobbying for safer ways for kids to ge t to school, she does fundraisers every year for scholarships, etc., etc...

{Oh wait, I can think of another family that does no public service...the Routiers... )

THE RAMSEYS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ANYONE...

...and this is just the tip of the iceberg....I can name symptom after symptom exhibited by these people that points to their guilt...and many, many forensic scientists, LE, and mental health folks would agree with me...

 

[Britt]

Couple that with suddenly being thrust into an international spotlight...

Who thrust them onto CNN the day after their daughter's funeral?

 

[julianne]

can[/i] think of another family that does no public service...the Routiers... )

THE RAMSEYS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ANYONE...

...and this is just the tip of the iceberg....I can name symptom after symptom exhibited by these people that points to their guilt...and many, many forensic scientists, LE, and mental health folks would agree with me...

Ok, admittedly, I must say that you've got a point about the activists part. I've never thought of that before. Hmmm, definately a good point, and I agree with it.

OK, now give me something else to chew on. You say you can name symptom after symptom exhibited by them that points to their guilt. Give me 5 symptoms.

 

[windovervocalcords]

....but there are forensic psychiatrists who study norms of behavior after someone dies, and they have found that people who have murdered someone and are trying to cover it up show certain types of behavior patterns (or lack of other behaviors) far more often than those grieving the loss of a loved one under "normal" circumstances. In addition, there are patterns found far more often in murders committed by family members than in murders committed between strangers.

You will notice, for example, that the Ramseys are about the ONLY folks I and others know of who have had a child "abducted" and murdered who are not public activists in some way for child safety...Literally....I know of NO ONE ELSE in this circumstance who does not do charitable work and very public activism for this cause...Hell,the lady in my neighborhood whose son got run over on a busy street here does all kinds of things lobbying for safer ways for kids to ge t to school, she does fundraisers every year for scholarships, etc., etc...

{Oh wait, I can think of another family that does no public service...the Routiers... )

THE RAMSEYS HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR ANYONE...

...and this is just the tip of the iceberg....I can name symptom after symptom exhibited by these people that points to their guilt...and many, many forensic scientists, LE, and mental health folks would agree with me...

What I never understood is how John found her body AFTER the police came. Why did he not search the house for her BEFORE calling the police? or while Patsy was making the 9/11 call?
I would have been compelled to look for my child all over the property.

 

[englishleigh]

What I never understood is how John found her body AFTER the police came. Why did he not search the house for her BEFORE calling the police.

I would have if it was my child. I would have felt compelled to seach every inch of the house immediately while my mate called.

I would have, too. That I have never understood.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I would have, too. That I have never understood.

They "find" the note and stop looking for her, the police are steered automatically into treating this as a kidnapping.

 

[windovervocalcords]

Hi Windover,

Did I miss a post? Of course it's not bashing to state that the Ramsey's were complicit. They remain suspects to this day.

However, if someone is of the opinion that the Ramseys are in no way involved in JBR's death and are, in fact, victims because of the unsolved murder of their daughter, it would be difficult to come to these boards and read posts about people jumping for joy at Patsy's death and not experience that as victim-bashing.

Like everything else, it's just a matter of perspective.

Bashing implies "malicious attacks without provocation". Someone stating they are convinced the family was involved is not "bashing"

I agree with you that if someone "jumps for joy" at another person's suffering or dying that qualifies as malicious intent.

Too often a WHOLE lot of posts get collectively lumped together and characterized as "bashing".

It isn't just "perspective", it's "losing perspective."

 

[Britt]

You say you can name symptom after symptom exhibited by them that points to their guilt. Give me 5 symptoms.

Here's one to start: attempted flight (literally) from the crime scene -- John caught making plane arrangements a half hour after revealing JonBenét's body. I believe that's called evidence of consciousness of guilt in criminal trials.

 

[southcitymom]

Bashing implies "malicious attacks without provocation". Someone stating they are convinced the family was involved is not "bashing"

I agree with you that if someone "jumps for joy" at another person's suffering and dying qualifies as malicious intent.

Too often a WHOLE lot of posts get collectively lumped together and characterized as "bashing".

It isn't just "perspective", it's "losing perspective."

Well spoken and I agree!

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Ok, admittedly, I must say that you've got a point about the activists part. I've never thought of that before. Hmmm, definately a good point, and I agree with it.

OK, now give me something else to chew on. You say you can name symptom after symptom exhibited by them that points to their guilt. Give me 5 symptoms.

Kind of hard to be doing that much when you are dying of cancer though. Does Polly Klaus's mother do anything? Does Adam Walsh's mother? (name escapes me) Van Dam's father? I have never even seen any of these.

 

[laini]

Tricia,
For you running/owning this forum, I say a big thank you! I love this site. I would be devestated if you ever closed it.