Please Read. The JBR forum is just a wee bit different than the rest.

[bulletgirl2002]

I have never, not one time "feared" a polygraph test so guess if someone fears them or doubts the results they must have something to hide. cause I would take a polygraph 24/7 if necessary. QUOTE]

You have been accused of murder???

I would never take a polygraph and I would hire a lawyer if I were suspected/accused of murder.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

So why did the police let all the people into the house? The house was a crime scene. Who was running the investigation the police or the Ramsey's?

Or it wasn't being run at all.

 

[bulletgirl2002]

So, you're saying at 6:00 in the morning, the day after Christmas, when most people are sleeping in, the community was up, dressed and over at the house before the police arrived? Who was called first the police or the friends?

My neighbor calls me at 4:00 am and says that her kid has been kidnapped, hurt anything I am dressed and over there in about 2 minutes. I think 911 was called first

 

[michelle]

Or it wasn't being run at all.

Basically, they should have NEVER been allowed anyone in the house other than the Ramsey's, I cant believe how that went down.

 

[michelle]

My neighbor calls me at 4:00 am and says that her kid has been kidnapped, hurt anything I am dressed and over there in about 2 minutes. I think 911 was called first

I agree that If God forbid something happened to my Child like that I would call the police asap! Then I would call my mom and close relatives and I am sure people would start to come over, now we all know that you should not because it may interfer with a crime scene but I can only imagine when something like this happens, it gets crazy!

 

[tumble]

Give me some evidence ... other than the flakey handwriting nonsense ... what cover up? what violent outburst? what evidence leads us to believe that this 6 year old child's mother or father had something to do with her death. Sometimes I think that when speculation arises that a mother could be guilty of such acts, it's such a freaky situation that people get all excited about discovering a new phenomenon that they perpetuate the myth knowing the mother is innocent - because it's good for their career.

What happened here is worse than a tradgedy. This is a celebration of people dancing on someone's grave.

Otto, you are screaming for evidence. The evidence is open to all of us, it is the interpretation of those evidence that differs.

Instead of just discarding evidence(facts concerning the case) try to present your own interpretation of the evidence presented to you(which btw you could look up at acandyrose.com).

And comments about people dancing on graves just because their oppinions differs from yours are not bringing anyone closer to solving the case, which is the purpose of the discussions.

 

[Lacy Wood]

I think the extent of so-called Ramsey bashing is actually overstated. One problem is that just recounting any of the evidence or circumstances suggesting possible family involvement carries with it the implication of really bad things against the family, and that in itself incites some who by trust, faith, or whatever are convinced the Ramseys are all innocent victims. The simple fact is that if the evidence leads to a conclusion the family is involved, they can't be described as decent, Christian, wonderful people.

I haven't posted in a while on the JonBenet forum (until this event), and allowed for the possibility of Ramsey innocence when I did, but just stating evidence or indications of possible family involvement could get you attacked as a "Ramsey hater". A few intruder theory backers persisted in seeing evil in contrary opinions, and would convert the intent of posters stating facts or evidence into "Ramsey hate". I recall one so zealous and determined that I had to wonder if he was on someone's payroll.

Some people have to be reminded that calling those who suspect Ramsey involvement "haters", "bashers" or worse, is itself distorting facts to call people names...and often only for the expression of an opinion. It's an alternative universe concept: involved=evil, not involved=saints, and you can't mix and match across universes.

 

[dottierainbow]

That's probably how I would react. And I would have my friends for moral support and prayer.
Amy

Sharon Rocha called a lot of Laci Peterson's friends when she went missing and they all showed up at the park to help search within a couple of hours of Scott's phone call. Maybe Patsy believed that JonBenet was kidnapped and wanted to get people together to help search ... that would be the thing to do if you thought your child was missing ... call as many people as you can think of to help find her. What's wrong with Patsy calling for help from the community? I don't get it ... why is it wrong that Patsy called on the community and they came to her house to help?

 

[twinkiesmom]

If you're looking for evidence, read Linda Arndt's deposition and the 2000 Patsy and John statements...They're over on forumsforjustice.org in the documented truth folder.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=241

Don't complain about Ramsey haters and victim bashers if you haven't read their words yourself. There are good reasons why these people come off guilty to so many here.

 

[RiverRat]

I think the extent of so-called Ramsey bashing is actually overstated. One problem is that just recounting any of the evidence or circumstances suggesting possible family involvement carries with it the implication of really bad things against the family, and that in itself incites some who by trust, faith, or whatever are convinced the Ramseys are all innocent victims. The simple fact is that if the evidence leads to a conclusion the family is involved, they can't be described as decent, Christian, wonderful people.

I haven't posted in a while on the JonBenet forum (until this event), and allowed for the possibility of Ramsey innocence when I did, but just stating evidence or indications of possible family involvement could get you attacked as a "Ramsey hater". A few intruder theory backers persisted in seeing evil in contrary opinions, and would convert the intent of posters stating facts or evidence into "Ramsey hate". I recall one so zealous and determined that I had to wonder if he was on someone's payroll.

Some people have to be reminded that calling those who suspect Ramsey involvement "haters", "bashers" or worse, is itself distorting facts to call people names...and often only for the expression of an opinion. It's an alternative universe concept: involved=evil, not involved=saints, and you can't mix and match across universes.

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[RiverRat]

If you're looking for evidence, read Linda Arndt's deposition and the 2000 Patsy and John statements...They're over on forumsforjustice.org in the documented truth folder.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=241

Don't complain about Ramsey haters and victim bashers if you haven't read their words yourself. There are good reasons why these people come off guilty to so many here.

:blowkiss: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[packerdog]

I have been on this forum since JB was found murdered and saw all the twists and turns with the different owners and I can say that Tricia is the bomb!

The Ramseys sure are unlucky people.
They have their daughter murdered in their own home by an intruder breaking in through a basement window without their alarm being activated that evening ( according to them).

They move back to Atlanta to a new house with an alarm system, have an unlocked gun cabinet, with a young boy in the house, with an intruder that breaks into the basement again, either they are dense or they had no fear of someone breaking into their house again because no one did in CO. I believe the latter.What bad luck.

I have followed this case for 10 yrs. and I think Patsy is good for it and John is no innocent bystander.

Otto, You are beating a dead horse about it being normal to call friends over. The ransom note states that they are being watched and not to even talk to a stray dog or their daughter would be beheaded. Normal people, innocent people, would heed the warning and call the police and tell them they are being watched and if the police were smart they would have parked down the street in an unmarked car. I really don't think you would let your friend spray cleaning products on the kitchen counters and wonder around the house after an intruder broke in and took your daughter. They called their friends over for a reason and it worked out well for them.

 

[michelle]

I have been on this forum since JB was found murdered and saw all the twists and turns with the different owners and I can say that Tricia is the bomb!

The Ramseys sure are unlucky people.
They have their daughter murdered in their own home by an intruder breaking in through a basement window without their alarm being activated that evening ( according to them).

They move back to Atlanta to a new house with an alarm system, have an unlocked gun cabinet, with a young boy in the house, with an intruder that breaks into the basement again, either they are dense or they had no fear of someone breaking into their house again because no one did in CO. I believe the latter.What bad luck.

I have followed this case for 10 yrs. and I think Patsy is good for it and John is no innocent bystander.

Otto, You are beating a dead horse about it being normal to call friends over. The ransom note states that they are being watched and not to even talk to a stray dog or their daughter would be beheaded. Normal people, innocent people, would heed the warning and call the police and tell them they are being watched and if the police were smart they would have parked down the street in an unmarked car. I really don't think you would let your friend spray cleaning products on the kitchen counters and wonder around the house after an intruder broke in and took your daughter. They called their friends over for a reason and it worked out well for them.

Somebody was spraying cleaner on the counter?

 

[packerdog]

Somebody was spraying cleaner on the counter?

Yes, it was P white. Patsy wasn't a very good housekeeper, her housekeeper siad the house was always a mess and she would have to clean up peanut butter off the counters. If I remember correctly, someone brought in food for the friends that were there that morning. Maybe they were doughnuts, the cops were prob eating them too.

 

[michelle]

:laugh:

. Maybe they were doughnuts, the cops were prob eating them too.

You are probably right on that.

 

[RiverRat]

Yes, it was P white. Patsy wasn't a very good housekeeper, her housekeeper siad the house was always a mess and she would have to clean up peanut butter off the counters. If I remember correctly, someone brought in food for the friends that were there that morning. Maybe they were doughnuts, the cops were prob eating them too.

It was NOT Priscilla! It was one of the victim advocates!

 

[Jayelles]

It was NOT Priscilla! It was one of the victim advocates!

Correct.

 

[Mama-cita]

With all due respect, I'd be hard pressed to tell anyone that they weren't "behaving" in the right way after losing their daughter in such a horrific way. Couple that with suddenly being thrust into an international spotlight and public scrutiny because of the crime, AND being accused of being the perp and/or masterminding the whole disgusting act....where's the rulebook on how one should behave in that situation? Sure, I don't think I would've "behaved" in the same way, but that doesn't mean diddly. Everyone grieves differently, and there is no "right" or "wrong" way.

I think Lee Peterson used those exact words: ....where's the rulebook on how one should behave in that situation?

 

[packerdog]

It was NOT Priscilla! It was one of the victim advocates!

By gosh you are right. It has been a long time since I even thought about it. I remember now. Age!

 

[HeartofTexas]

Think he relied on light from the window.I think the police should have Ushered all the guests who were not part of the investigation,OUT! The fact that they did not do this further compounded a difficult situation.

And lest we forget, some of those guests busied themselves by cleaning kitchen counters and tables, thus cleaning away possible valuable evidence. Talk about contaminating (and cleaning up!) a crime scene!