POI - Dale Golder - #2

[concentric]

Has anyone discussed the possibility that DG could have been stalking Lindsey for someone else? I mean, not a family member, but someone who convinced DG to get a young girl for him for an amount of money DG couldn't refuse?

 

[scandi]

Has anyone discussed the possibility that DG could have been stalking Lindsey for someone else? I mean, not a family member, but someone who convinced DG to get a young girl for him for an amount of money DG couldn't refuse?

It could be Concentric, Pretty crazy, eh? But it could explain why he told his gf he heard she was dismembered, and maybe had no idea the guy was a psycho!

 

[eyes4crime]

Has anyone discussed the possibility that DG could have been stalking Lindsey for someone else? I mean, not a family member, but someone who convinced DG to get a young girl for him for an amount of money DG couldn't refuse?

I've thought about it Concentric...interesting take on things. I've thought many times DG could be diverting attention or covering up for another person, or not involved at all. Here's why:

DG's criminal sexual history started early - age 14. He has had 9 years to improve his mo - to become a more efficient and careful criminal. Seems to me he is still as brain deficient and grandiose as he was at 14.

DG made mistakes. Or did he?
...DG blew LE off in a high profile case - giving 3 different stories as to where he was on the night of the 26th. Stories that were checked for accuracy - he lied.

...DG stopped texting, an observable and trackable behavior, right at the time Lindsey was last seen.

...DG's car was seen and heard near the Beehive around 10p. Why was he there - perps don't hang around their own crime scene?

...DG's behavior changed after Lindsey disappeared - he didn't drive his known car around town with the same frequency. He was missed!

...The most blatant mistake was following mom Baum in the same car that was seen and heard near the spot Lindsey disappeared June 26th. Almost like he went out of his way to harass her and be caught.

Criminally lucky...criminally stupid...but not criminally intelligent.

Here's what we know about Lindsey - no crime scene, no evidence that we know of, no motive, no witnesses, and no body. Can a person with the above mentioned mistakes pull off this kind of crime?

Sure as heck can't count him out as a suspect, yet - way to many unexplained coincidences. Working in tandem or covering for another person is a distinct possibility. These thought are based on what little I know in this case - which isn't much! sorry for the length.

 

[cyberswept]

I've thought about it Concentric...interesting take on things. I've thought many times DG could be diverting attention or covering up for another person, or not involved at all. Here's why:

DG's criminal sexual history started early - age 14. He has had 9 years to improve his mo - to become a more efficient and careful criminal. Seems to me he is still as brain deficient and grandiose as he was at 14.

DG made mistakes. Or did he?
...DG blew LE off in a high profile case - giving 3 different stories as to where he was on the night of the 26th. Stories that were checked for accuracy - he lied.

...DG stopped texting, an observable and trackable behavior, right at the time Lindsey was last seen.

...DG's car was seen and heard near the Beehive around 10p. Why was he there - perps don't hang around their own crime scene?

...DG's behavior changed after Lindsey disappeared - he didn't drive his known car around town with the same frequency. He was missed!

...The most blatant mistake was following mom Baum in the same car that was seen and heard near the spot Lindsey disappeared June 26th. Almost like he went out of his way to harass her and be caught.

Criminally lucky...criminally stupid...but not criminally intelligent.

Here's what we know about Lindsey - no crime scene, no evidence that we know of, no motive, no witnesses, and no body. Can a person with the above mentioned mistakes pull off this kind of crime?

Sure as heck can't count him out as a suspect, yet - way to many unexplained coincidences. Working in tandem or covering for another person is a distinct possibility. These thought are based on what little I know in this case - which isn't much! sorry for the length.

Very nice summation eyes. I have felt the same way. He would be way to amateurish to have pulled it off all by himself in such a clean manner. He seems contradictive at best as a suspect because someone got away clean with Lindsey, yet would they make such blatant mistakes afterward? This is why it appears to me that he is not the brains behind the operation, if indeed he is involved. From what we have seen and heard, my guess would be there is a minimum of at least 3 of them. Just one take on how things could be.

 

[coastal]

I've been re-reading the Affidavit for the SW dated Sept. 25, 2009. I think the following section is hinky:

"...On 07-29-09 a concerned citizen named_________contacted investigators and wanted to report that a subject named Dale Golder worked at the Beehive retirement center. Sample said that Dale drove a small white car with loud exhaust. Sample said that Golder usually drove his car through town numerous times a day. He said that for several weeks after the Baum girl disappeared Golder wasn’t in town driving like he normally did. Sample found this suspicious. Sample identified another resident in McCleary who was familiar with Golder’s vehicle and driving habits.

...Mantes was contacted and told investigators that Golder drove a small white sports car with loud exhaust. Mentes said Golder drove around town on a regular basis. He also told investigators that on the night of June 26th 2009 at about 10:00pm he saw a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple street in McCleary that he thought was Golder’s. He did not see who was driving the vehicle and thought nothing of it because seeing Golder driving around was normal. Golder is the registered owner of the white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington License______"

So. Sample reports to LE that DG works at Beehive; DG drives a small white sportscar with loud exhaust thru town on a regular basis, but did not do so for several weeks after LB disappeared. S points LE to "Mantes" or "Mentes", who knows DG's car and driving habits.

Mantes/Mentes reports to LE that DG drives a small white sports car with loud exhaust (exactly the words of Sample's earlier report) and recalls seeing a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple St, June 26, 2009, at about 10:00pm, but did not see who was driving the car. M/M assumes DG was driving DG's car; he "thinks nothing of it" since this was "normal". (Why does M/M recall this event, then, when interviewed on 7/29/09, if it was a "normal" occurrence?)

The next sentence assumes the "small white sportscar with loud exhaust" seen 6/26/09 on Maple St. @ 10:00pm is Golder's 1995 Honda Del Sol, WA License _______ {"...Golder is the registered owner of THE white 1995 HDS... }

I can't see where "a white sports car with loud exhaust" was ever id'd as DG's 1995 HdS, or where DG was id'd driving on Maple St. at 10:00pm on 6/26/09.

Who else drives a loud little white car. Who else has access to DG's HdS?

 

[Jules71]

I've been re-reading the Affidavit for the SW dated Sept. 25, 2009. I think the following section is hinky:

"...On 07-29-09 a concerned citizen named_________contacted investigators and wanted to report that a subject named Dale Golder worked at the Beehive retirement center. Sample said that Dale drove a small white car with loud exhaust. Sample said that Golder usually drove his car through town numerous times a day. He said that for several weeks after the Baum girl disappeared Golder wasn’t in town driving like he normally did. Sample found this suspicious. Sample identified another resident in McCleary who was familiar with Golder’s vehicle and driving habits.

...Mantes was contacted and told investigators that Golder drove a small white sports car with loud exhaust. Mentes said Golder drove around town on a regular basis. He also told investigators that on the night of June 26th 2009 at about 10:00pm he saw a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple street in McCleary that he thought was Golder’s. He did not see who was driving the vehicle and thought nothing of it because seeing Golder driving around was normal. Golder is the registered owner of the white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington License______"

So. Sample reports to LE that DG works at Beehive; DG drives a small white sportscar with loud exhaust thru town on a regular basis, but did not do so for several weeks after LB disappeared. S points LE to "Mantes" or "Mentes", who knows DG's car and driving habits.

Mantes/Mentes reports to LE that DG drives a small white sports car with loud exhaust (exactly the words of Sample's earlier report) and recalls seeing a small white sports car with loud exhaust on Maple St, June 26, 2009, at about 10:00pm, but did not see who was driving the car. M/M assumes DG was driving DG's car; he "thinks nothing of it" since this was "normal". (Why does M/M recall this event, then, when interviewed on 7/29/09, if it was a "normal" occurrence?)

The next sentence assumes the "small white sportscar with loud exhaust" seen 6/26/09 on Maple St. @ 10:00pm is Golder's 1995 Honda Del Sol, WA License _______ {"...Golder is the registered owner of THE white 1995 HDS... }

I can't see where "a white sports car with loud exhaust" was ever id'd as DG's 1995 HdS, or where DG was id'd driving on Maple St. at 10:00pm on 6/26/09.

Who else drives a loud little white car. Who else has access to DG's HdS?

I am looking at the sw now, and it says on page 4, paragraph 1:
"Golder is the registered owner of a white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington licens"

I do agree however it seems odd both people used the exact description of his car.

 

[not_my_kids]

DG's Myspace has gone to private.
http://www.myspace.com/32336074

 

[Track292008]

Very insightful analysis, Eyes4Crime! Thanks!

 

[Jules71]

This is odd.

Right across the street from KK’s is a church called Olympic Christian Center. The phone # for that church also comes up for the McCleary location of Williams Northwest Pipeline.

TGolder’s phone # also brings up Williams NW Pipeline.

Golder connects to Williams NWPL
Williams NWPL connects to Olympic Christian Center
Olympic CC is right across the street from KK’s where Lindsey was walking home from

Does this mean anything?

http://listings.allpages.com/wa-0122256033-mccleary.html

360-495-0002 - Google Search

(Lizzysf and I put these things together - thanks Lizzy!)

 

[A_Closer_Look]

This is odd.

Right across the street from KK’s is a church called Olympic Christian Center. The phone # for that church also comes up for the McCleary location of Williams Northwest Pipeline.

TGolder’s phone # also brings up Williams NW Pipeline.

Golder connects to Williams NWPL
Williams NWPL connects to Olympic Christian Center
Olympic CC is right across the street from KK’s where Lindsey was walking home from

Does this mean anything?

http://listings.allpages.com/wa-0122256033-mccleary.html

360-495-0002 - Google Search

Good find!

 

[A_Closer_Look]

OK, thinking about this church/NWPL/G. Family phone number connection.... this would be one heck of a coincidence in my opinion.

Does any local know whether or not you can see KK's house, or at least someone on Maple through the trees that seem to separate the church lot from Maple?

 

[Knox]

Olympic CC, isn't he the pastor we were looking at? Initials are WW.

 

[A_Closer_Look]

Olympic CC, isn't he the pastor we were looking at? Initials are WW.

I did a lot of research on this man (WW) early on, and he is with Evergreen CC. The two communities might be related, but I never saw anything to support that.

 

[Knox]

Thanks Closer, too many POI's ... Curiouser and Curiouser!

 

[Jules71]

Olympic CC in McCleary has a fb page. I am looking at that now...

 

[Knox]

Company Contacts
Contact Name
Brian Orffer, Religious Leader

Olympic Christian Ctr Business Information



Olympic Christian Ctr is a private company categorized under Pentecostal Church and located in Mccleary, WA. Our records show it was established in 1924* and incorporated in Washington*. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of unknown and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.

http://www.manta.com/company/mm59v4k

 

[scandi]

I am looking at the sw now, and it says on page 4, paragraph 1:
"Golder is the registered owner of a white 1995 Honda Del Sol, Washington licens"

I do agree however it seems odd both people used the exact description of his car.

Hi, I really don't see anything odd about this. Neither statement was a direct quote, right? And there is only one way to describe the car, color, size and sound. I think the officer who dictated the Affidavit used the same verbage as their descriptions amounted to the same thing, IMO.

 

[Knox]

Scandi, haven't we seen the name of the religious leader listed above? Sounds familiar.

 

[scandi]

Scandi, haven't we seen the name of the religious leader listed above? Sounds familiar.

Watne comes to mind and I don't have time to run and check. Sorry Knox. xox


ETA: I went and looked anyway, and it is Wayne Watne. He evidently lives right around the corner from her house and did refuse to take a LDT, saying acc to STRONGARM that he loved her, so why would he hurt her!

It is in the comments: http://a11news.com/2106/lindsey-baum/

 

[JenniferO]

I had the "pleasure" of meeting WW for the first time this weekend..