POI: Michael Pak

[Tugela]

I have already read/researched all the things you have mentioned and that is how I have arrived at my opinion. Also read a lot of the Schwartz report and traced Shannan back to Upper Saddle River bust. Interesting that you and PB are the only two people I have ever heard use the term femdom. Looked it up in MW dictionary and AH dictionary. No such word. I can't figure out why it would have anything to do with this unless you somehow know that LISK likes to be dominated. I think it is insulting and attacking other members that gets these threads shut down. Have you ever heard of baiting?

There is such a word. It is an acronym for feminine domination, and refers to BDSM where a dominiatrix is in control of a subservient male. Look it up on Google, you will find plenty of links. It is the form of BDSM offered by prostitutes in that genre, and there are quite a few who only do that.

 

[Tugela]

I do not believe this report and think it is spin. Her past driver was her boyfriend Alex Diaz. The first versions by LE were that she ran hysterically from the house. MP also claimed she was hysterical and MP and JB could be heard trying to calm her down. l.The 911 operator was supposed to have described her as hysterical, seemingly drunk or high on drugs. Now we have a spin version that she was perfectly calm while she was running away, believing someone was trying to kill her. Don't buy it. In past comments I listed some of the early "hysterical" versions.
I also don't believe she was ever let into GC's house. I believe that letter was just one instance of police corruption regarding this case.

Her boyfriend was a past driver. That doesn't mean that he was her only past driver.

 

[WINDSOR]

I'm honestly not here to defend MP or anyone else. Like I assume most people I am here to understand the facts and get to the truth. The man is an adult and can defend himself. But when you accuse someone of committing a crime without any evidence to me that is slander. We'll have to respectfully agree to disagree here. To the point I highlighted I have seen him on documentaries making statements.

In those documentaries where MP made statements, did he take time to explain and refute any rumors, hearsay or slanderous accusations? I didn't think so.

Regarding slander of MP. He is a convicted felon and went to prison as a result of activities related to human trafficking. He works in the sex trade, and lives off the proceeds of prostitution. Exactly how could I defame this individual more than he has done to himself?

MOO

 

[Just K]

Moments after BB saw SG enter the reeds near her home, aliens from outer space may have beamed SG up to their spaceship, probed her and dropped her back in the marsh where she died because she was disoriented by the probing.
It may sound silly, but there's just as much evidence pointing towards that as what you've supposed.

Please provide a link that BB ever saw SG run into the reeds...No one has ever said they saw her run into the reeds. EC and her son heard SG and the son said he saw her footprints in the sand. GC saw her hide under his boat and then run off down Anchor Way. He did not say he saw her run into the reeds either.

 

[OnTheCase27]

In those documentaries where MP made statements, did he take time to explain and refute any rumors, hearsay or slanderous accusations? I didn't think so.

Regarding slander of MP. He is a convicted felon and went to prison as a result of activities related to human trafficking. He works in the sex trade, and lives off the proceeds of prostitution. Exactly how could I defame this individual more than he has done to himself?

MOO

By accusing him of murder without any proof. Please show me your information regarding this.

 

[mcme]

Please provide a link that BB ever saw SG run into the reeds...No one has ever said they saw her run into the reeds. EC and her son heard SG and the son said he saw her footprints in the sand. GC saw her hide under his boat and then run off down Anchor Way. He did not say he saw her run into the reeds either.

BB, the last neighbor to call 911 was quoted as having seen her entering the marsh across from her home in early reports. As I looked back for the link to the story, I noticed they've all disappeared, along with every reference to BB. This one below does refer to the last 911 call and when it was made, and shows the area where SG was last seen. The time is consistent with BB's call, and the area noted is the street directly in front of BB's home. I will continue to look for the news story that says directly what this one implies.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54298970/The-night-Shannan-Gilbert-vanished
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html?_r=0

By mistake I put the wrong link. the second one here(the wrong one) has a quote in it that clearly says that one body was found in a burlap sack

 

[Redbird]

I don't think you will find anything. They kept her identity secret for a long time. There has never been a public comment from her as far as I know. So I don't think you will find anything to back up your claim that she said she saw SG going into the marsh.

 

[Tugela]

In those documentaries where MP made statements, did he take time to explain and refute any rumors, hearsay or slanderous accusations? I didn't think so.

Regarding slander of MP. He is a convicted felon and went to prison as a result of activities related to human trafficking. He works in the sex trade, and lives off the proceeds of prostitution. Exactly how could I defame this individual more than he has done to himself?

MOO

Do you have evidence that he works in the sex trade and lives off the proceeds of prostitution? Your suspicion is not good enough, if you are going to make a direct accusation like that you had better have proof, and I don't believe you do.

Regarding slander, if you say something that isn't true but damages the victim in some way you are still liable for damages. Past conduct in some different situation is irrelevant and does not give you immunity to say whatever you like.

 

[Seajay]

Seajay, are you implying that MP may not be completely truthful in his statements? I mean a number of people on this site have accepted the fact that SG was a drugged-up, mentally ill, nut case who regularly left 'johns' homes running through neighborhoods screaming and knocking on doors.

Based on MP's statement, SG's episode in Oak Beach was not unusual.

Why would he make such a story up?

Do you think he lied about other things as well?

Do you think there might be things he has not said?

MOO

:floorlaugh: Ok Windsor that cracked me up. We all know MP is a pilar of society. He wouldn't lie about ANYTHING. :floorlaugh:

 

[Seajay]

I do not believe this report and think it is spin. Her past driver was her boyfriend Alex Diaz. The first versions by LE were that she ran hysterically from the house. MP also claimed she was hysterical and MP and JB could be heard trying to calm her down. l.The 911 operator was supposed to have described her as hysterical, seemingly drunk or high on drugs. Now we have a spin version that she was perfectly calm while she was running away, believing someone was trying to kill her. Don't buy it. In past comments I listed some of the early "hysterical" versions.
I also don't believe she was ever let into GC's house. I believe that letter was just one instance of police corruption regarding this case.

I concur.

 

[CriminalMinds]

I don't think you will find anything. They kept her identity secret for a long time. There has never been a public comment from her as far as I know. So I don't think you will find anything to back up your claim that she said she saw SG going into the marsh.

she's too scared

 

[WINDSOR]

Do you have evidence that he works in the sex trade and lives off the proceeds of prostitution? Your suspicion is not good enough, if you are going to make a direct accusation like that you had better have proof, and I don't believe you do.

Regarding slander, if you say something that isn't true but damages the victim in some way you are still liable for damages. Past conduct in some different situation is irrelevant and does not give you immunity to say whatever you like.

Tugela, Yes MP admitted to the media he worked in the sex trade as a driver for escorts. He keeps the money he earns. This is public record.

Tugela please watch all the videos, read the all the media reports and try and stay up to date what is happening.

If you want to believe that night in May a bunch of girls and boys, all pillars of the community, got together to have an innocent sing-a-long, prayer meeting and lobster-fest; with no drugs and no sex involved you go on believing that.

MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

To Kill a Mockingbird

Here is post #294 from the thread Lets Talk letters. Is this what you were looking for?

Quote:
Originally Posted by fieldnotes

If there was no funny business and the doc is being wrongfully accused I would imagine it went something like this. Alex met the doctor when he and MP came to Oak Beach looking for Shannan. The doctor introduced himself and offered to help in anyway he could and gave them his card. Alex called him on the 6th and asked him to call and speak with Shannan's mother. The doc made the call 5 minutes later as requested. Perhaps he called Shannan's sister on the 9th (Mother's Day) while she was in Oak Beach with Shannan's mother. Why? I don't know. Maybe she called him when she arrived in Oak Beach but he did not pick up and that call was then returned by the doc to arrange the face to face meeting at his house. Either way, hopefully this lawsuit helps get to the bottom of it all and answers the question once and for all if Shannan and him crossed paths that night, as well as eliciting other details that remain unknown about that night.


the following was posted by ps149
BINGO!

Make no mistake, the Doc is an arrogant control freak who likes to take charge and put his nose into everything. This doesn't automatically make him a killer. It does explain perfectly why he would agree to make the call to Mari when asked. You see, Doc has ALWAYS presented himself as a member of the board; a man in charge representing the community. With his big ego he could not help himself to let MP and AD know that HE was the GO-TO man for anyone with any questions for or business in the OBA community. If anyone from the OBA community was going to represent the community on this matter, in his mind it had to be him.

When the DOC called Mari, he did so as a representative of the Board of Directors. He acted like he was the spokesman for the community's leadership. After all, HE WAS a senior elected member of that board of directors.

None of this makes him a killer. Just an attention seeker hungry for roles where he is in charge.

Surely someone is going to put a negative spin on this post to say how it could also lead him to do awful things to those girls. Just leave it as it is. He was just thinking in his head that he was acting in the best interest of HIS community.

I think this post by ps149, absolves CPH in any criminal involvement in ps149's opinion.

 

[WINDSOR]

<modsnip>

Nothing would please me more than this case could be resolved and all the innocent were cleared. I do not know how this case will turn out or be resolved, but I surely do not any innocent person to be punished.

I do have my opinions, feelings and attitudes and I have shared them as this is this forum's purpose.

Michael Pak, I do feel you have an obligation to be totally truthful, and disclose everything you know that could be relevant to this case.

Now can we conclude the discussion regarding my alleged slanderous statements, and solve this case.

Thank you

MOO

 

[shadowraiths]

What exactly is your perception of bi-polar disorder? All it is is emotional extremes: high highs (euphoria, risky behavior) and low lows (depression).

Yes, it's classified as a mental illness, but what about this specific mental illness would lead one to believe that is the reason for her calling 911, running down the street screaming for help, and later found dead? She wasn't a schizophrenic.

It really depends upon whether she was dx'd as bipolar I or bipolar II. If she were bipolar I, she may have suffered a psychotic break. Esp in light of her alleged drug use. If this were the case, then it is quite plausible that her 911 call was the result, and, as her anxiety increases, she runs off into the bushes, discarding her clothes as she went, only to succumb to the elements.

The degree of psychosis someone dx'd bipolar I can experience is quite intense and is compounded if the individual is using. We had one woman who, during a manic phase, and while high on cocaine, stabbed her two year old son to death bc she thought he was possessed by the devil. She pleaded an won an NGRI verdict and has been languishing away in Patton State Hospital for well over a decade and under constant suicide watch.

In light of claims that Shannan had previously run from johns, along with the claim that she was off her meds and doing coke, and *assuming* she was actually dx'd with bipolar I, an accidental death simply cannot be ruled out. At least at this point.

 

[Just K]

One of MANY sources that show that MP, as a prostitute's driver, received 1/3 of Shannan Gilbert's fee...

Gilbert vanishing reaches one-year mark
http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

Apr 30, 2011 &#8211; Shannan Gilbert stood on a clamorous street in midtown Manhattan, ready for work. ... 6th Avenue, she pulled out her cellphone and called her driver, Michael Pak, he said. ... By then, he said, he felt he couldn't get out of his agreement. ... She charged $200 an hour, and paid Pak a third of the take, he said.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

So much that i know... don't know where to start.

ps149 - u only discussed Mr. Fieldnotes excursion to GC's house and the Hackett estate along with Mari Gilbert.

but you lead with the lead sentence that states

so much that i know...don't know where to start.

so..pray continue. don't just stop there. looked like you were just getting started. or shall i say - warmed up?

 

[bessie]

Mod Note: Do not beat up each other, and if you think a post violates TOS, use the Alert feature to report it to the mods.

When asked to provide a link, please do so graciously. Keep in mind, what you view as common knowledge might be new information to other members.

Thank you!

ETA: Almost forgot...happy holidays, everyone.

 

[ps149]

ps149 - u only discussed Mr. Fieldnotes excursion to GC's house and the Hackett estate along with Mari Gilbert.

but you lead with the lead sentence that states

so much that i know...don't know where to start.

so..pray continue. don't just stop there. looked like you were just getting started. or shall i say - warmed up?

Sorry. For obvious reasons it is best that I don't say too much.

 

[deedee21]

BB, the last neighbor to call 911 was quoted as having seen her entering the marsh across from her home in early reports. As I looked back for the link to the story, I noticed they've all disappeared, along with every reference to BB. This one below does refer to the last 911 call and when it was made, and shows the area where SG was last seen. The time is consistent with BB's call, and the area noted is the street directly in front of BB's home. I will continue to look for the news story that says directly what this one implies.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54298970/The-night-Shannan-Gilbert-vanished
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html?_r=0

By mistake I put the wrong link. the second one here(the wrong one) has a quote in it that clearly says that one body was found in a burlap sack

I read the article and the first set of remains was found in nearly disinergrated burlap and the second set of remains was wrapped in burlap. It went on to say that a skull laying on top of a bag was found. Is this a burlap bag? Who remains were found first, second, ect?