POI: Michael Pak

[WINDSOR]

I wonder if in those other instances MP referred to, anyone of the neighbors came forward to verify that she was running around in their neighborhood and knocking at their doors. Wonder also if there were any other police reports of this type of thing happening, like when BB and GC called and reported it.

Seajay, are you implying that MP may not be completely truthful in his statements? I mean a number of people on this site have accepted the fact that SG was a drugged-up, mentally ill, nut case who regularly left 'johns' homes running through neighborhoods screaming and knocking on doors.

Based on MP's statement, SG's episode in Oak Beach was not unusual.

Why would he make such a story up?

Do you think he lied about other things as well?

Do you think there might be things he has not said?

MOO

 

[mysterymom7]

Seajay, are you implying that MP may not be completely truthful in his statements? I mean a number of people on this site have accepted the fact that SG was a drugged-up, mentally ill, nut case who regularly left 'johns' homes running through neighborhoods screaming and knocking on doors.

Based on MP's statement, SG's episode in Oak Beach was not unusual.

Why would he make such a story up?

Do you think he lied about other things as well?

Do you think there might be things he has not said?

MOO

MP may have walked up to the SK's front door, spoken with the SK about SG, and the SK, knowing SG was dead and that MP would never find her, decides to say he sent SG with MP to take the heat off his own back yard. If the SK knew SG had a driver and SG had been on the phone with 911 for 23 min, he may not have killed her since she was too risky at that point. When the SK learned about the 911 call, he made sure his next victims wouldn't have their phones on them.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Stating that there are individuals involved in the SG death sorta implies that she was murdered and I am not prepared to take that plunge without some solid proof that her cause of death was intentional.

As for MP, there was a statement from a detective who was once part of the investigation where he states that he had the opportunity to interview one of SG's former drivers. That former driver gave confirmation that he witnessed SG running from residences of some of her other clients screaming bloody paranoia much in the same fashion as she did running from JB's home. Just sayin', this has all the ingredients of MP being in the wrong place at the wrong time. heresay

-He had no motive to kill her.

-He knew she was already on the phone with 911 tellin' them that she was in danger. Do you really think he would then kill her after she just broadcasted to the police that she was in danger?

-She was a valuable cash source for him. No use to him dead.accident

-When he drove in the community he could not help but to notice the security cameras. how could he notice security cameras at 2am in pitch black? if mp and sg knew there were security cameras? then sg would have RUN TO THE CAMERAS FOR HER ASSAULT AND MURDER TO BE RECORDED and not to the street lamp like dormer said she ran to.Just being in that gated community I bet made him nervous. All he wanted to do was get in, get out and get paid.how do you know what mp was thinking?

-He returned with her boyfriend mp and ad are pimps - ad not a bf at all - he's a degenerate pimp who broke her jawthe next day to search for her when he learned that she never made it home. He was concerned (probably not so much for her as much as for the way it made him look guilty leavin' her there the day before).how do you know what ad is thinking? you are not in his head

There are just too many reasons pointing away from MP being responsible. But if you are sold on the idea that he was, then you can bet that the story about SG getting pulled into a truck would probably be true then and he could have returned months later to dump her body off of the side of the parkway without ever entering Oak Beach. -That would make more sense than a CPH/MP conspiracy theory.you got it. thanx

you are right on the money - keep it coming.

 

[OnTheCase27]

OnTheCase27 said

What's his motive to be more than an incompetent driver? As SG's driver he was making money with her alive. What does he gain from her being dead? It would have to be a substantial payout for him to be sinisterly evil.

When it comes to motive, what you may think is a motive or justification, could be something very different in the mind of the MP.

Let me just suggest one motive for MP. he has a lot of women he can drive for, SG is not the only escort who needs him. Prior to going to JB's MP is already is fed up with SG's behavior, issues and 'hissy' fits.

After being at JB's SG refuses to pay MP, claims she was never paid by JB. MP does not believe SG. MP is really angry that SG has called the police, as per MP's comments to GC. MP is even more angry when SG refuses to get in his car so MP can go home.

I know for a fact that people have killed with less provocation and less motive than what I have outlined.

Remember escorts are viewed by their drivers and their pimps and their agencies, as replaceable. One dies, or retires or disappears there are two more to take her place.

This is proven by the fact they have found about 10 victims of the LISK and nobody knew or cared they were gone.

I am willing to bet that MP knew of other escorts that have vanished and nobody cared. MP had the motive, opportunity and knew that if he killed SG there was little risk for him. See nobody cares.

MP was and is still considered innocent, and not even considered a suspect or POI. He likely was very involved with SG's death and will never be charged let alone spend a day in jail.

If SCPD had not found those other 10 bodies, nobody would care about SG

Let me remind you on a rule of criminality. If you think you will not get caught and or do not expect to get caught, the more likely you will commit the crime.

MP had no reason to think there was any chance of getting caught. IF CPH does not implicate MP, MP will go free.

MOO

Of course his "motive" could be very different but you have no factual evidence that suggests it is. You have nothing to back up anything you said about MP and pretty much slandered him by implicating him in a death. Where's your proof? Because in your post there is no evidence just circumstantial hearsay.

Where's your proof that MP knew of other escorts that went missing? Your merely grabbing at something emotional instead of looking at this logically. If your going to accuse someone of murder you need evidence. That's why we live in the society that we do. You can't just arrest someone because you have a hunch. I am more than willing to listen to actual evidence. If you can present to me anything that suggests what your saying is true I am all ears(or eyes on WS).

This is not a fact as many of them were reported missing. Just because they couldn't locate these does not mean they were not loved or cared about.

On to the MP and CPH. Now your dealing with a conspiracy theory by saying MP had accomplices. We have found that most of conspiracy theories are true. (That's a sarcastic comment because most CT's are completely ill-logical.)

 

[OnTheCase27]

Seajay, are you implying that MP may not be completely truthful in his statements? I mean a number of people on this site have accepted the fact that SG was a drugged-up, mentally ill, nut case who regularly left 'johns' homes running through neighborhoods screaming and knocking on doors.

Based on MP's statement, SG's episode in Oak Beach was not unusual.

Why would he make such a story up?

Do you think he lied about other things as well?

Do you think there might be things he has not said?

MOO

Her mother did say she was bi-polar and no longer taking her medication.

 

[mysterymom7]

Her mother did say she was bi-polar and no longer taking her medication.

What exactly is your perception of bi-polar disorder? All it is is emotional extremes: high highs (euphoria, risky behavior) and low lows (depression).

 

[OnTheCase27]

What exactly is your perception of bi-polar disorder? All it is is emotional extremes: high highs (euphoria, risky behavior) and low lows (depression).

That it's classified as a mental illness. That's exactly why I highlighted what I did.

 

[mysterymom7]

That it's classified as a mental illness. That's exactly why I highlighted what I did.

Yes, it's classified as a mental illness, but what about this specific mental illness would lead one to believe that is the reason for her calling 911, running down the street screaming for help, and later found dead? She wasn't a schizophrenic.

 

[mcme]

MP may have walked up to the SK's front door, spoken with the SK about SG, and the SK, knowing SG was dead and that MP would never find her, decides to say he sent SG with MP to take the heat off his own back yard. If the SK knew SG had a driver and SG had been on the phone with 911 for 23 min, he may not have killed her since she was too risky at that point. When the SK learned about the 911 call, he made sure his next victims wouldn't have their phones on them.

Moments after BB saw SG enter the reeds near her home, aliens from outer space may have beamed SG up to their spaceship, probed her and dropped her back in the marsh where she died because she was disoriented by the probing.
It may sound silly, but there's just as much evidence pointing towards that as what you've supposed.

 

[mysterymom7]

Moments after BB saw SG enter the reeds near her home, aliens from outer space may have beamed SG up to their spaceship, probed her and dropped her back in the marsh where she died because she was disoriented by the probing.
It may sound silly, but there's just as much evidence pointing towards that as what you've supposed.

:ufo: hahahaha! Good theory!

 

[WINDSOR]

Of course his "motive" could be very different but you have no factual evidence that suggests it is. You have nothing to back up anything you said about MP and pretty much slandered him by implicating him in a death. Where's your proof? Because in your post there is no evidence just circumstantial hearsay.

Where's your proof that MP knew of other escorts that went missing? Your merely grabbing at something emotional instead of looking at this logically. If your going to accuse someone of murder you need evidence. That's why we live in the society that we do. You can't just arrest someone because you have a hunch. I am more than willing to listen to actual evidence. If you can present to me anything that suggests what your saying is true I am all ears(or eyes on WS).

This is not a fact as many of them were reported missing. Just because they couldn't locate these does not mean they were not loved or cared about.

On to the MP and CPH. Now your dealing with a conspiracy theory by saying MP had accomplices. We have found that most of conspiracy theories are true. (That's a sarcastic comment because most CT's are completely ill-logical.)

OnTheCase27,

Thank you for your comments, first as a new member, let me suggest to you this forum is not a court, or any way related to the justice system. It is a place for ideas, suppositions, hypothesis and so on. I am not a lawyer, and do not have to provide proof that would be admissible in court to present a theory.

I also suggest you read all the posts about MP if you have not already if you wish to defend him from slander

Secondly I do not believe I slandered MP. I also believe he is fully capable of speaking for himself if he wants to explain or defend his actions, or take exception to my comments. I am not sure that is a role you have to assume.




Your specific points

**In the society we live in people have been convicted on circumstantial evidence on a regular basis.

**MP knew 'other' escorts went missing because that is the industry he is in. I did not refer to the LISK 10, but I was referring to women in the sex trade disappearing. MP had to know this as a fact. Even you, On The Case 27 are aware of the hundreds of sex workers who have disappeared throughout the country. It is an occupational hazard.

**Like you I do no put much weight in conspiracy theories, but I believe in chance encounters, coincidences, and fluke occurrences.

** MP has had ample time to explain and refute any rumors, hearsay or slanderous accusations. He can issue press releases and submit to media interviews.

If he never met CPH that night; let him publicly state it.

If he wants to clear up rumors about his visit, a day later to CPH; let him publicly state it.

If he never met JB prior to that night; let him publicly say it.

To me his silence has been deafening. Of course he has the right to remain silent, but others have the right to speculate and assume.

Let me explain a concept about guilt and innocence. In a court of law everybody is innocent until proven guilty. However Bernie Madoff was guilty of cheating people and committing fraud even before the court ruled that way. If I steal from you, I have done an evil act, I am guilty even if I never get caught.

MOO

 

[OnTheCase27]

OnTheCase27,

Thank you for your comments, first as a new member, let me suggest to you this forum is not a court, or any way related to the justice system. It is a place for ideas, suppositions, hypothesis and so on. I am not a lawyer, and do not have to provide proof that would be admissible in court to present a theory.

I also suggest you read all the posts about MP if you have not already if you wish to defend him from slander

Secondly I do not believe I slandered MP. I also believe he is fully capable of speaking for himself if he wants to explain or defend his actions, or take exception to my comments. I am not sure that is a role you have to assume.




Your specific points

**In the society we live in people have been convicted on circumstantial evidence on a regular basis.

**MP knew 'other' escorts went missing because that is the industry he is in. I did not refer to the LISK 10, but I was referring to women in the sex trade disappearing. MP had to know this as a fact. Even you, On The Case 27 are aware of the hundreds of sex workers who have disappeared throughout the country. It is an occupational hazard.

**Like you I do no put much weight in conspiracy theories, but I believe in chance encounters, coincidences, and fluke occurrences.

** MP has had ample time to explain and refute any rumors, hearsay or slanderous accusations. He can issue press releases and submit to media interviews.

If he never met CPH that night; let him publicly state it.

If he wants to clear up rumors about his visit, a day later to CPH; let him publicly state it.

If he never met JB prior to that night; let him publicly say it.

To me his silence has been deafening. Of course he has the right to remain silent, but others have the right to speculate and assume.

Let me explain a concept about guilt and innocence. In a court of law everybody is innocent until proven guilty. However Bernie Madoff was guilty of cheating people and committing fraud even before the court ruled that way. If I steal from you, I have done an evil act, I am guilty even if I never get caught.

MOO

I'm honestly not here to defend MP or anyone else. Like I assume most people I am here to understand the facts and get to the truth. The man is an adult and can defend himself. But when you accuse someone of committing a crime without any evidence to me that is slander. We'll have to respectfully agree to disagree here. To the point I highlighted I have seen him on documentaries making statements.

 

[ps149]

I wonder if in those other instances MP referred to, anyone of the neighbors came forward to verify that she was running around in their neighborhood and knocking at their doors. Wonder also if there were any other police reports of this type of thing happening, like when BB and GC called and reported it.

There seems to be some confusion.

The person who was interviewed by the detectives who stated that SG had a history of running from clients homes screaming because she was paranoid WAS NOT MP. That person was one of SG's FORMER drivers (who the detectives tracked down).

 

[Redbird]

Do you have a link for that? I remember an article that said a "former driver" claimed she often ran hysterically from a clients house without saying whether that "former driver" was or was not MP. I seem to remember it being in the letter written by the former detective to Newsday defending the investigation.

 

[ps149]

Do you have a link for that? I remember an article that said a "former driver" claimed she often ran hysterically from a clients house without saying whether that "former driver" was or was not MP. I seem to remember it being in the letter written by the former detective to Newsday defending the investigation.

Read it again and it makes more sense;

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/letters/letter-all-out-effort-for-shannan-1.3473520

I am writing in response to "Gilbert's mom asks feds to step in" [News, Dec. 21], in which John Ray, the lawyer who represents Shannan Gilbert's family, strongly criticized Suffolk County police detectives investigating the Gilgo Beach murders. It is quite obvious that Ray has not listened to Gilbert's 911 call nor spoken to any investigators assigned to the case. <modsnip>

I listened to Gilbert's 22-minute 911 call. The 911 operator tried several times to get Gilbert's location. At one point, she mentioned she was near Jones Beach. Gilbert never said she was at Oak Beach. <modsnip>

In the house at Oak Beach, Gilbert was not about to be murdered. Her demeanor on the tape was calm. You can hear male voices on the tape, and they are calm. At no time during this call was she desperate. From what I heard on the call, Gilbert was not speaking as if she were in danger. Despite this, she decided to run from the house and her driver, whom she relied on to take her back to New Jersey. During the investigation, I interviewed an individual who drove Gilbert to her "dates" in the past. He said she would leave houses and apartments in the same fashion as she did in Oak Beach. He described her as being a paranoid person and at times acting irrationally.

<modsnip>

Det. Vincent Stephan, West Sayville

Editor's note: The writer is the secretary-treasurer of the Suffolk Detectives Association.

Note how above he mentions her "Driver" and in the very next sentence mentions this other person who drove SG in the past. He DID NOT say it was her current driver.

 

[Redbird]

I do not believe this report and think it is spin. Her past driver was her boyfriend Alex Diaz. The first versions by LE were that she ran hysterically from the house. MP also claimed she was hysterical and MP and JB could be heard trying to calm her down. l.The 911 operator was supposed to have described her as hysterical, seemingly drunk or high on drugs. Now we have a spin version that she was perfectly calm while she was running away, believing someone was trying to kill her. Don't buy it. In past comments I listed some of the early "hysterical" versions.
I also don't believe she was ever let into GC's house. I believe that letter was just one instance of police corruption regarding this case.

 

[ps149]

I do not believe this report and think it is spin. Her past driver was her boyfriend Alex Diaz. The first versions by LE were that she ran hysterically from the house. MP also claimed she was hysterical and MP and JB could be heard trying to calm her down. l.The 911 operator was supposed to have described her as hysterical, seemingly drunk or high on drugs. Now we have a spin version that she was perfectly calm while she was running away, believing someone was trying to kill her. Don't buy it. In past comments I listed some of the early "hysterical" versions.
I also don't believe she was ever let into GC's house. I believe that letter was just one instance of police corruption regarding this case.

So much that i know... don't know where to start.

I'm thinking to start with this tip for you- MP and AD were not the only drivers SG has ever had. Do a little sleuthing and you can even find record of a time when SG was arrested along with one of her other drivers from the past. If the case against CPH ever goes to trial, I think it might shock everyone what the testimony of that other driver might have to say about SG. Would it shock you if neither AD nor MP are that previous driver who witnessed SG acting irrationally in the past?

As far as different versions of the story from May 1, my second tip to you is to ask many questions of our friend Jim Jones (Field Notes). He will tell it to you the way it is and not give you a botched up version of the story the way many major media has. At the start of this case, JJ was a close friend of the Gilberts. He is a good unbiased writer. I will let JJ disclose to you the specifics (if he so desires) about why the Gilberts had a falling out with him. I can tell you that once you hear the story you'll get to know that All JJ ever did was keep the facts straight and tell the story truthfully. Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometimes the facts don't always support gut instinct or personal theories. Nevertheless, the facts are the facts and in JJ's case, it seems pretty obvious that emotions got in the way of rational thinking for others and that led to the shooting of the messenger (JJ). Anyways, ask JJ to speak up about the facts of May 1st. He actually took the time to go visit GC. GC pointed out exactly where SG stood that morning. He took the time to go to CPH's home with the Gilberts. JJ is the absolute closest unbiased person we've got to this case. No other member here has been inside those homes. No other member here has the knowledge (AND minus the gossip). Instead of letting bored housewives from Florida dominate these discussions to the point where they keep getting closed/deleted/locked, we need to take a step back and let someone like JJ allow members like you to openly ask questions to get down to the real facts.

 

[Redbird]

I have already read/researched all the things you have mentioned and that is how I have arrived at my opinion. Also read a lot of the Schwartz report and traced Shannan back to Upper Saddle River bust. Interesting that you and PB are the only two people I have ever heard use the term femdom. Looked it up in MW dictionary and AH dictionary. No such word. I can't figure out why it would have anything to do with this unless you somehow know that LISK likes to be dominated. I think it is insulting and attacking other members that gets these threads shut down. Have you ever heard of baiting?

 

[fieldnotes]

So much that i know... don't know where to start.

I'm thinking to start with this tip for you- MP and AD were not the only drivers SG has ever had. Do a little sleuthing and you can even find record of a time when SG was arrested along with one of her other drivers from the past. If the case against CPH ever goes to trial, I think it might shock everyone what the testimony of that other driver might have to say about SG. Would it shock you if neither AD nor MP are that previous driver who witnessed SG acting irrationally in the past?

As far as different versions of the story from May 1, my second tip to you is to ask many questions of our friend Jim Jones (Field Notes). He will tell it to you the way it is and not give you a botched up version of the story the way many major media has. At the start of this case, JJ was a close friend of the Gilberts. He is a good unbiased writer. I will let JJ disclose to you the specifics (if he so desires) about why the Gilberts had a falling out with him. I can tell you that once you hear the story you'll get to know that All JJ ever did was keep the facts straight and tell the story truthfully. Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometimes the facts don't always support gut instinct or personal theories. Nevertheless, the facts are the facts and in JJ's case, it seems pretty obvious that emotions got in the way of rational thinking for others and that led to the shooting of the messenger (JJ). Anyways, ask JJ to speak up about the facts of May 1st. He actually took the time to go visit GC. GC pointed out exactly where SG stood that morning. He took the time to go to CPH's home with the Gilberts. JJ is the absolute closest unbiased person we've got to this case. No other member here has been inside those homes. No other member here has the knowledge (AND minus the gossip). Instead of letting bored housewives from Florida dominate these discussions to the point where they keep getting closed/deleted/locked, we need to take a step back and let someone like JJ allow members like you to openly ask questions to get down to the real facts.

Thanks but I've kinda made it a rule not to talk about the family members of any of the victims in a public forum such as this. So our falling out is between her and I and a few ppl close to us. But I stand by everything in my blog and work hard to report the facts and have plenty of recordings to always back it up. And am always willing to answer questions on the facts.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

So much that i know... don't know where to start.

I'm thinking to start with this tip for you- MP and AD were not the only drivers SG has ever had. Do a little sleuthing and you can even find record of a time when SG was arrested along with one of her other drivers from the past. If the case against CPH ever goes to trial, I think it might shock everyone what the testimony of that other driver might have to say about SG. Would it shock you if neither AD nor MP are that previous driver who witnessed SG acting irrationally in the past?

As far as different versions of the story from May 1, my second tip to you is to ask many questions of our friend Jim Jones (Field Notes). He will tell it to you the way it is and not give you a botched up version of the story the way many major media has. At the start of this case, JJ was a close friend of the Gilberts. He is a good unbiased writer. I will let JJ disclose to you the specifics (if he so desires) about why the Gilberts had a falling out with him. I can tell you that once you hear the story you'll get to know that All JJ ever did was keep the facts straight and tell the story truthfully. Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometimes the facts don't always support gut instinct or personal theories. Nevertheless, the facts are the facts and in JJ's case, it seems pretty obvious that emotions got in the way of rational thinking for others and that led to the shooting of the messenger (JJ). Anyways, ask JJ to speak up about the facts of May 1st. He actually took the time to go visit GC. GC pointed out exactly where SG stood that morning. He took the time to go to CPH's home with the Gilberts. JJ is the absolute closest unbiased person we've got to this case. No other member here has been inside those homes. No other member here has the knowledge (AND minus the gossip). Instead of letting bored housewives from Florida dominate these discussions to the point where they keep getting closed/deleted/locked, we need to take a step back and let someone like JJ allow members like you to openly ask questions to get down to the real facts.

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One of the beautiful people?
Now that you know who you are
What do you want to be?
And have you travelled very far?
Far as the eye can see.
How does it feel to be
One of the beautiful people?
How often have you been there?
Often enough to know.
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Nothing that doesn't show.
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You keep all your money in a big brown bag inside a zoo.
What a thing to do.
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How does it feel to be
One of the beautiful people?
Tuned to a natural E
Happy to be that way.
Now that you've found another key
What are you going to play?
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You keep all your money in a big brown bag inside a zoo.
What a thing to do.
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