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Even if he was her "boyfriend" in the non-traditional sense of the word, I would expect he would want answers. Of course, it's entirely possible that Pak wasn't able to supply many answers.
JMO

Or the answers supplied by Pak were enough to CONVINCE AD it NEVER happened.

I have always wondered why SG switched drivers. She went from AD to MP

WHY?

Why would that make sense?

AD stands to make more money with her under his belt.

Why would AD agree to giving up a portion of "their" money to a third party?

#1 He was lazy...didn't wanna drive...knew either way he was being paid for sitting on the couch playing video games (or whatever he did while she was making money)

#2. He owed someone money. Drugs/gambling? She was the pay off?

#3 It was all one big happy family?

I think MP was involved with BIGGER people than SG and AD.

Because of their gambling/drug debt (?) they sold their debt to someone who didn't play. Someone who do more than break your jaw.

AD was a coward and maybe SG payed the ultimate price.

Hence any compliancy on ADs part.
Notice how MP has been lately?

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Or the answers supplied by Pak were enough to CONVINCE.

I have always wondered why SG switched drivers. She went from AD to MP


WHY?

Why would that make sense?

AD stands to make more money with her under his belt.

Why would AD agree to giving up a portion of "their" money to a thrird party?

#1 He was lazy...didn't wanna drive...knew either way he was being paid for sitting on the couch playing video games (or whatever he did while she was making money)

#2. He owed someone money. Drugs/gambling? She was the pay off?

#3 It was all one big happy family?

I think MPH was involved with BIGGER people than SG and AD.

Because of AD maybe even SG drug debt(?) they sold there debt to someone who didn't play. Someone who do more than break your jaw. AD was a coward and maybe SG payed the ultimate price.

Hence any compliancy on ADs part.
Notice how MP has been lately?

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Great question! Why would AD sit on his face while MP drove?

I keep wondering if there was someone higher-up that food chain that called the shots.
 
Perhaps MP managed to get SG out of there.

Killed Her.

Brought her back...later.

After the search died down and speculation was on the doctor.
 
Thank you everybody for your input. We all agree the marsh is difficult and time consuming to traverse.

Tugela does point out an important fact that visibility into the marsh could be poor or limited.

Now deedee21 suggests that GC stated there were up to 17 vehicles with searchers looking for SG that morning. Could someone with contacts in LE confirm that please.

With that sort of search party, one has to assume that at least one of the searchers was scanning the marsh. It is too illogical to believe that a searcher standing at BB's house did not look across the street into the marsh.

Remember Dormer believed SG wandered into the marsh. That is not an original concept, one of the other LE officiers must have thought of that and looked into the marsh.

If you are a LE officier would you not look in the marsh? (Gee Sarge, we cannot seem to find her, I wonder if she wandered into the marsh?)

The reverse is if there were a number of police cars on Anchor Way and roads surrounding the marsh, would SG not have seen them, would she not have tried to signal them, would she not have walked towards them?

Yet no one saw SG or heard her. Again we are speaking of a maximun quarter mile distance. Visbility for than morning, I believe was much greater than that.

Again, I do not believe SG was ever in that marsh alive.

MOO
 
Thank you everybody for your input. We all agree the marsh is difficult and time consuming to traverse.

Tugela does point out an important fact that visibility into the marsh could be poor or limited.

Now deedee21 suggests that GC stated there were up to 17 vehicles with searchers looking for SG that morning. Could someone with contacts in LE confirm that please.

With that sort of search party, one has to assume that at least one of the searchers was scanning the marsh. It is too illogical to believe that a searcher standing at BB's house did not look across the street into the marsh.

Remember Dormer believed SG wandered into the marsh. That is not an original concept, one of the other LE officiers must have thought of that and looked into the marsh.

If you are a LE officier would you not look in the marsh? (Gee Sarge, we cannot seem to find deher, I wonder if she wandered into the marsh?)

The reverse is if there were a number of police cars on Anchor Way and roads surrounding the marsh, would SG not have seen them, would she not have tried to signal them, would she not have walked towards them?

Yet no one saw SG or heard her. Again we are speaking of a maximun quarter mile distance. Visbility for than morning, I believe was much greater than that.

Again, I do not believe SG was ever in that marsh alive.

MOO




Windsor,
i think Deedee meant the swarm showed up the day they located Shannan's remains.
 
We hear about people getting lost in the mountains or the woods during the winter months. Search teams head out to try and find them. They talk about temps dropping at night and hyperthermia. They start to lose hope and then they are found alive. It was the month of May in NY. She did not die from the elements.

Who said she died from the elements? she appeared to be in a paranoid delusional state, likely drug induced. It is way more likely that she simple died from an overdose.
 
Who said she died from the elements? she appeared to be in a paranoid delusional state, likely drug induced. It is way more likely that she simple died from an overdose.

You may be right. That crossed my mind early on. I dont believe though that she went into the marsh on her own.
 
Who said she died from the elements? she appeared to be in a paranoid delusional state, likely drug induced. It is way more likely that she simple died from an overdose.

I would think that anyone subscribing to the hypothermia/paradoxical undressing theory believe "the elements" were a factor (if not THE cause of death). PU was again discussed just a page or two back.
 
I would think that anyone subscribing to the hypothermia/paradoxical undressing theory believe "the elements" were a factor (if not THE cause of death). PU was again discussed just a page or two back.

She was responding to my post and I didn't say anything about dieing from exposure.
 
The question was not directed at me but I will put in my two sense. Since it was reported that dogs and a helicopter were brought in on May 1, 2010, I don't believe that Shannan ever independently crossed the marsh that cool-warm May morning. Therefore, given little to no rain or precipitation in the three preceding weeks and the fact that several storm drains criss-cross the open yet bramble filled space, allowing for a daily controlled drain, and since SG was not found in a ditch but on the surface, there is very little chance that she was overtaken by the elements.

It was not dark.
It was not cold.
It was not flooded nor even very wet on May 1st, 2010.

Could she have OD'd? Yes, but doubtful it would take nearly an hour and especially if she were able to run about in the cool air and then stumble through more than a 1/4 of a mile of rough terrain.

Could she have fallen and struck her head. Yes, but there was no report of a skull fracture.

Could she have had a heart attack. Possibly...

BUT, IMHO, she neither drowned nor froze to death... both of those stories are very far-fetched given everything we know of that morning and that place.
 
Who said she died from the elements? she appeared to be in a paranoid delusional state, likely drug induced. It is way more likely that she simple died from an overdose.

I maybe wrong, but it is my understanding that the overdose effects of the types of drugs SG could have injested decline with time. If she were to die of an simple overdose it would have happened soon after she injested the drugs, not one to two hours later.

MOO
 
Windsor, I would like to clarify. 17 cars did not arrive the morning SG went missing. That number of cars arrived according to GC in Dec. 2011 when the searh began in the marsh for her.
 
Windsor,
i think Deedee meant the swarm showed up the day they located Shannan's remains.

Can anybody confirm, if and how many LE officers responded and searched for SG the morning of May1, 2010 in response to SG's, GC's, and BB's 911 calls.

Was it one car and one officer, or was it more?

Thank you
 
I took this post from the thread Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2 and responded here as I thought it was more appropriate.


Why is it that we know the exact time of BBrennan's 911 call but almost every source, still left on the internet, states that GC was up shaving just before 5:00 AM and he called 911 ABOUT 5:30 AM. There is no specific time for this call.

Shannan made a 23 minute call starting at 4:51 AM and ending at 5:14 AM.
8 minutes later B Brennan calls 911 at 5:22 AM.

Early reports put LE arriving at about 5:55-6:00 AM and GC as saying he called 911 around 5:30 AM. Original reports had LE arriving about 40-50 minutes after SG initiated her call to 911.

One year after the first bodies were found, Newsday began reporting that BB called at 5:22 AM and that LE sources report arriving about ten minutes after the BB call.

Of course we have no idea how long that BB call lasted. Let's go with the minimum, of say one minute, to call in report, give address, phone number, description, etc.

Now, wouldn't that put LE arriving at almost the exact time that GC made his call and then MP, rolls down the street,SG runs off and MP talks to GC and follows SG.

Isn't it possible that SG ran out of JB's, turned right down Anchor, banged on a few doors, got no help and ran to GC's. At that point if GC's 911 call was at 5:30ish, then SG was nearer the OP and the gate. MP could have seen her and followed her out just before the LE arrived. BUT, MP stated he searched the OP and gave up and left the Oak Beach area at 6:00 AM.

It would be very nice to know via which bridge he left and which bridge LE used to come in...

The timing of events is very crucial,

The Foreingner's expertise in setting the 911 timelines is useful here:

5:14 AM...
SG 23 minute long phonecall with the 911 operator stops.

5:22 AM...
Gustav Coletti calls 911. Police arrived about 45 minutes later (that would be 6:07 am)

Here is a problem, Newsday says BB called 911 at 5:22AM. If Newsday is correct, since this call took place after the GC call, GC must have called 911 prior to 5:15AM. because after GC made his call, he went outside, saw SG, and spoke to MP. I have a problem with Newsday's timing of BB's call at 5:22 AM as that would have given SG 8 minutes to leave JB's house, run to GC's, talk to GC wait while he made the 911 call, than run to BB's.

Some local has to measure the time to cover this distance.

BB sees SG and calls 911 at 5:22PM but I do not believe this time, I think BB called 911 closer to 5:35AM

MP says he left Oak Beach at around 6:00PM

GC allows LE into Oak Beach at 6:07AM

The question does MP have enough time between 5:35AM to grab SG and leave Oak beach and not be seen by GC?

There are only three ways that GC could not have seen MP drive out of Oak Beach

1) GC had not reached the gate house prior to MP leaving (finished dressing, finished coffee, walked as a older gentleman?????)

2) GC was doing something, or was distracted while at the gate house when MP drove out.(Checking to see if cameras are working, Checking tapes, taking a whizz, calling the wife???????)

3) GC, as a typical eyewitness in most criminal cases, was confused about what he did or did not see.

PB has stated that GC, after his 911 call, went directly to the gate to allow LE in, and that MP would not have time to grab SG and return to the gate and leave Oak Beach prior to being seen by GC.

It boils down to a matter of seconds and minutes; especially what time was BB's 911 call and what time did GC arrive at the gate house?

MOO
 
I think it boils down to whether GC called 911 after BB. Because if he did then SG backtracked.
 
It would easier to put sg in her final resting place from the highway than from the south side.
 
It would easier to put sg in her final resting place from the highway than from the south side.

Yes, especially since Google and BING aerials from before May 2010 actually show a path from the brush on the OP side down into the area near the tree where SG ended up and it continued further down into the brush.
 
I maybe wrong, but it is my understanding that the overdose effects of the types of drugs SG could have injested decline with time. If she were to die of an simple overdose it would have happened soon after she injested the drugs, not one to two hours later.

MOO

What kind of drugs did she ingest?

Tablets, they dissolute over time, peak exposure typically is 2-4 hours after ingestion. So, if you ODed on that, it could take that long for maximum effect to kick in.

If you took a cocktail, with one of the drugs in tablet form, you might go wingnut crazy, and then pass out some time later as the tablets kicked in.
 
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