Police say parents are not answering vital questions #2

[cityslick]

Right now, whether the guns were kept out in the bedroom or stored somewhere more secure, I'm not considering them relevant to finding Lisa.

If we find out that the guns were kept out because the family was involved in any risky activities or had been threatened, then I think that opens up a whole new set of possibilities as to what went down that night and what might have happened to Lisa. Nothing like that has come out in public from the parents, other witnesses, or LE. But, imo, there's a lot we still don't know.

The guns are the back burner for me right now. Something that may or may not come into play as more facts become known.

JMO...

I agree, they are irrelevant to me. Some are using (or trying to use) a theory that guns out in the open of kids = bad parents when it is not a fact the guns were kept out in the open.

 

[In da Middle]

The caption under one of the picture reads: "Crib: The world has had its first look inside the family home of Lisa Irwin, as the desperate search for the 11-month-old girl whose parents say was abducted in Kansas City, Missouri, enters its third week



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...as-bedroom-handprints-wall.html#ixzz1ek2gyNfZ

BBM
3rd Week is the 24th which is AFTER the 17 hour search which is also when this article is dated. Look at the crib pics. Before the search the images showed the stuff boxed up in the crib, these are images after the search also. The crib is stripped in these images. I stand by my original opinion that these images are AFTER the 17 hour search.

 

[cityslick]

I'm not convinced that the searches were thorough before the 17-hour search. Special equipment was brought in during the 17-hour search. If anything were hidden beneath a floorboard or in another inconspicuous place, those things may not have been found in the first search.

What I've been trying to find out (haven't really found an answer yet too) is what kind of access did DB have to the house and anything in it between searches? Was she alone at all during that time? Was anyone else there during that time?

 

[yllek]

Same way the two boys didn't hear anything.

I'm still curious about what the boys heard. Debbi said the boys wouldn't know anything about that night. But, she also said they heard "clicking" noises (maybe that came out when they were questioned briefly the first day). We don't know anything about what the boys said in their second interview with the FBI specialist weeks later. I hope they were able to provide some clue to help their sister; I think that would be wonderful for them to know in future years. At least they got a chance to try. JMO...

Reference:
“They said they heard noises, but I don’t know if that was before they went to sleep or after,’’ Bradley said about her two sons. “I have not sat down and talked to them about it, specifically to not have to put them through anything else.’’
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44927...m-i-was-drunk-when-she-vanished/#.Tr6BK1bNQfg

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

BBM
3rd Week is the 24th which is AFTER the 17 hour search which is also when this article is dated. Look at the crib pics. Before the search the images showed the stuff boxed up in the crib, these are images after the search also. The crib is stripped in these images. I stand by my original opinion that these images are AFTER the 17 hour search.

It very well may be and the caption under the photo is inaccurate.

 

[cityslick]

It very well may be and the caption under the photo is inaccurate.

Accurate media reporting seems to be rarity in this case unfortunately.

 

[In da Middle]

Accurate media reporting seems to be rarity in this case unfortunately.

And I blame this for why we all see differently on most things. Like the time line. Is any one of the MEDIA timelines correct? Or any media information for that matter. When they do manage to get an interview, they don't even ask any good questions either.

 

[yllek]

I agree there has been some bad and questionable reporting in this case. It's true, to some degree, in many cases. This one has been the worst, imo. But, I do believe that some of the inconsistencies or variations come from changing stories from the case players and the media sources. And, I am glad the media hasn't completely dumped this case like they have others much sooner into the investigation. That's good for Lisa, imo.

 

[Whisperer]

That article is dated the 24th which was after the search.

This states AFTER the search
This info only came out AFTER the search.

And even if it was before the search it was AFTER LE had processed the house on numerous occasions. LE does not put stuff back where they found it.

LE/FBI do not clean up after a search but I can be pretty sure that they don't take out guns from a safe place and put them out in the open where children can get them.

There has to be a line drawn where everything is excused with the parents. Telling me LE left it there, tells me that anything goes for an excuse regarding the parents.

There were two guns sitting out in the house. They were not locked up in cabinets because if they were LE would have returned them to the cabinet. They may not be tidy when it comes to searching a house for a missing child but I have reached my limit when I am told LE left guns around.

It is to be assumed the guns were in the house and they weren't locked up or secured..

 

[yllek]

What I've been trying to find out (haven't really found an answer yet too) is what kind of access did DB have to the house and anything in it between searches? Was she alone at all during that time? Was anyone else there during that time?

IDK the answer cityslick. But, I think the family must have had acces at some point since Debbi reportedly went into the house to confirm that the animal print baby dress found during the volunteer search was not Lisa's. It was not mentioned that an LEO went with her, but I didn't get that impression (doesn't mean it didn't happen though). My guess is that as soon as the crime scene tape came down, the home was officially freed back to the parents. Guess, that doesn't clear up anything at all! :crazy:

 

[Whisperer]

What I've been trying to find out (haven't really found an answer yet too) is what kind of access did DB have to the house and anything in it between searches? Was she alone at all during that time? Was anyone else there during that time?

As far as I know they had complete access, as they were arriving daily to get things. The only time they weren't allowed is specified in the warrant. It was their choice to "Get out of Dodge".

 

[Whisperer]

The reason you don't get accurate reporting is because LE will not confirm anything. This started about ten years ago. You have to extremely careful when reading articles as they are piece mealed together from other news articles which weren't confirmed.

I was told by a reporter that they get the info off the AP when the case breaks. Since they cannot confirm anything they have been told with LE, they start with the AP and fill in from other news sources. It is best to judge a case with information from the players themselves, as you can find almost anything in print to back what you say no matter what side you are on. I stress print can not be trusted. It is better to listen and view the players to get an idea of what you think about the case.

I will suggest that it helps to be very careful and read every word. Watch out for quotes because they can use quotes from eons ago and make it read like it just happened. News is hard to come by in these cases once they lawyer up. It's part of the game...it gives the defense the upper hand. Lawyers are masters at the English language and can spin, deflect and cause general chaos for the police.

 

[Pacific2011]

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by refusing the separate interviews, they are hindering LE's ability to most effeciently progress the investigation and find the truth of what happened to Lisa, imo. Even if they claim not to know anything more than they knew in the first 4 days of the investigation, LE knows more and needs to check things out with them. JMO...

BBM.

Excellent explanation about why LE needs to talk to them separately. Thank you.

 

[In da Middle]

LE/FBI do not clean up after a search but I can be pretty sure that they don't take out guns from a safe place and put them out in the open where children can get them.

There has to be a line drawn where everything is excused with the parents. Telling me LE left it there, tells me that anything goes for an excuse regarding the parents.

There were two guns sitting out in the house. They were not locked up in cabinets because if they were LE would have returned them to the cabinet. They may not be tidy when it comes to searching a house for a missing child but I have reached my limit when I am told LE left guns around.

It is to be assumed the guns were in the house and they weren't locked up or secured..

LE does NOT return guns to a gun cabinet after a search. That is the owners responsibility. They return nothing to where they found it.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

LE/FBI do not clean up after a search but I can be pretty sure that they don't take out guns from a safe place and put them out in the open where children can get them.

There has to be a line drawn where everything is excused with the parents. Telling me LE left it there, tells me that anything goes for an excuse regarding the parents.

There were two guns sitting out in the house. They were not locked up in cabinets because if they were LE would have returned them to the cabinet. They may not be tidy when it comes to searching a house for a missing child but I have reached my limit when I am told LE left guns around.

It is to be assumed the guns were in the house and they weren't locked up or secured..

Do we know if there were trigger locks on these guns?

 

[In da Middle]

Do we know if there were trigger locks on these guns?

Or if even there was ANY ammo available? A rifle with no ammo is useless as a weapon unless you are going to use it like a club. This is why our guns are kept separately from any ammo.

 

[yllek]

LE/FBI do not clean up after a search but I can be pretty sure that they don't take out guns from a safe place and put them out in the open where children can get them.

There has to be a line drawn where everything is excused with the parents. Telling me LE left it there, tells me that anything goes for an excuse regarding the parents.

There were two guns sitting out in the house. They were not locked up in cabinets because if they were LE would have returned them to the cabinet. They may not be tidy when it comes to searching a house for a missing child but I have reached my limit when I am told LE left guns around.

It is to be assumed the guns were in the house and they weren't locked up or secured..

BBM:

On this point, I can't assume that one way or the other. I trust and hope that the boys were removed from the premises during the course of this search and that the parents were to put things back in reasonable order before they returned. I don't know to what extent LE restores the search area. JMO...

 

[natsound]

We're losing focus. Since there were no bullet holes or bloody scene, we can assume Lisa was not shot. The guns have no bearing on this case IMO.

 

[Whisperer]

We're losing focus. Since there were no bullet holes or bloody scene, we can assume Lisa was not shot. The guns have no bearing on this case IMO.

It was an observation. It lends information and an insight into the people. I can't stand hunting..or the thought of it. I was taught that all guns were to locked up when their are children in the house.

The whole place is odd to me. I'm still not over the nursery with the black garbage bags ducked taped on it. My personal taste just doesn't agree with black in a nursery.I had a lotta feedback on that observation also. I guess they haven't heard of window treatments that can keep out light (if you have to) but who wants to keep out light in a baby's room?

 

[Whisperer]

LE does NOT return guns to a gun cabinet after a search. That is the owners responsibility. They return nothing to where they found it.

Really??

...Bad, bad PoPo.