Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[cityslick]

She changed her story so not everything she said can be true at the same time. IMO. But it is possible that she had some an excellent reason to make up lies that make her look like a bad, drunk caregiver when in fact she was completely sober and took excellent care of the children and didn't neglect them in the least. I can't think of one but it doesn't mean there isn't any.

I am actually not convinced she was drunk It might have been a cover story to explain the gaps in the timeline she said she had. (Of course, that is provided that we believe her when she says so.) So sorry, I just realized I don't remember because I was so drunk...

When did she say she didn't know when JI was coming home? I thought it came from a lawyer but I don't remember hearing her saying so. I think it's quite possible she didn't know, FWIW.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if she knew or not, imo. It only makes a difference if she had planned to do away with Lisa but if something unforeseen happened in a drunken fog knowing or not knowing JI's work schedule would not have stopped it from happening.

I don't know if she failed a poly or not and I think it's possible that DB doesn't know either. I do believe the police told her she did because again, I can't figure out any reason why she'd have told the media she failed if she hadn't been told so. But I don't think she's an expert on polygraphs so she would probably just have believed what the police said. Which may or may not be true.

What I'm getting as is if you think she's lying, well obviously she's doing that because she's guilty, end of story. Anything else she says you can put anything factual on it.

It's when you start believing certain things she's saying (presumably negative in this case) but not others. Thus, saying she failed the poly as a fact, when in reality no one else had said this except her. She said she was drinking and blacked out. Well, she bought a box of wine she I'll agree that she's drinking, but not blacked out.

As far as her changing her story, didn't the only thing that change was the time she checked on BL? One thing?

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...ls-timeline-of-day-and-night-of-disappearance

It's not just you, MSM says check as well
4:30 p.m.

-Neighbor checks in on Baby Lisa’s crib and finds her apparently fine.
-Deborah Bradley and her brother go to a supermarket to purchase baby food and a box of wine. Jeremy Irwin stayed home with children.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-day-and-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1h74JeEeC

 

[Donjeta]

What I'm getting as is if you think she's lying, well obviously she's doing that because she's guilty, end of story. Anything else she says you can put anything factual on it.

It's when you start believing certain things she's saying (presumably negative in this case) but not others. Thus, saying she failed the poly as a fact, when in reality no one else had said this except her. She said she was drinking and blacked out. Well, she bought a box of wine she I'll agree that she's drinking, but not blacked out.

As far as her changing her story, didn't the only thing that change was the time she checked on BL? One thing?

I see it like this: innocent or guilty, there are not very many plausible reasons why someone would say things that make themselves look bad. Only two: it's true, or it's not true but the truth is worse.


She didn't say she blacked out. She said it's "possible".
The time she checked on BL, or didn't is not "One thing", as if it's a minor detail that can be ignored, it's huge. (IMO.)

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The Aisenbergs made out because of the arrest. All LE are sensitive because of them. Between these two and the Anthony gang, no justice can come for the children...just money for the family.

I doubt that all of LE is sensitive because of the Aisenberg case; I doubt that many in LE even know about it. It happened 15 years ago, and isn't that well known of a case anymore.

There is also no proof to say that those two cases are the reason why children cannot receive justice. Sabrina's case happened 15 years ago, and many child killers have been convicted since then. Casey's verdict came in five months ago, and even before that, we saw cases like Kyron's, Hailey's, and Haleigh's where LE probably has a good idea about who committed the crime, but didn't make an arrest. It's extremely rare for LE to pursue a case without a body, especially one involving a child, so I think to credit Casey or the Aisenbergs for why Deborah hasn't been arrested is wrong.

 

[menmo]

That's a convienent way of picking and choosing what to believe when someone says something. For example:

It looks bad that DB would fail a poly, so I believe when she said she failed one.

It looks bad that DB was drunk when watching kids, so I believe when she said she was.

It makes her look innocent by her saying she blacked out and didn't hear anyone come in the house, so I don't believe her

It makes her look innocent when she says she didn't know when JI was coming home, so I don't believe her.

I only believe what is believable to me. I think sometimes DB lies and probably has for years expecting everyone to believe her. I don't.
I think SB thinks if she hangs on to DB as a friend and confident that she can filter some of the benefits her way.

I believe the SB stuff came from the People article, which seems to get quoted a lot on here. She says she checked on BL at a certain time, I have no reason to believe she's lying. The fact that she's DB's friend shouldn't automatically make whatever she says a lie.

True. I would hate to be judged by all my friends/acquaintances however in most cases birds of a feather do indeed flock together.

The more DB and even JI hide behind their attorneys the more I believe they are guilty. There is no way there would be any reason that would keep me from asking for my baby to be brought home, helping, begging and praying for people to keep looking for my baby, or me speaking with LE...even all by myself. No way! It's as if DB and JI just want everyone to go away while they pretend and go on as if this never happened. News flash for those two and their families...people will always remember who you are and how you acted when your precious baby girl disappeared.

MOO

 

[DeAnn]

I have not read them all. I told you I appreciate your links and now I will say the effort but they can only be based on what Bradley told them regarding the house...and Lisa.

Lisa may have been gone before 6:40pm. I can only base facts on what they actually say and evaluate if I think it is true. In DB's case, I don't find her credible. This is my opinion about her character. I have learned from talking to reporters in cases that many of them simply take the information from another's reports and add something to it. Many can not and do not verify. They mainly take from the AP at the beginning as their base. After that, it is stories that build from new witnesses, if not, they rearrange what they have reported before or what someone else has reported before.

They get nothing from LE. In the old days, LE would tell the press the facts and would verify if asked....those days are long gone. Reporters are left to fill in and they get their info wherever they can...and many times cannot verify what they read or hear.

*deep breath*

*deep breath*

This story broke around 7:30 a.m. on local media well before AP. The Associated Press has provided little reporting on this case to the local media.

The KC area reporters I know are by and large hard working people who do work hard to verify everything that they can. KCPD may be talking little now but that certainly was not the case in the first week.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

*deep breath*

*deep breath*

This story broke around 7:30 a.m. on local media well before AP. The Associated Press has provided little reporting on this case to the local media.

The KC area reporters I know are by and large hard working people who do work hard to verify everything that they can. KCPD may be talking little now but that certainly was not the case in the first week.

It's more likely that non-KC local media would use the AP because they can't afford to send their reporters to KC to cover this case. Overall, the AP has written 59 stories about this case which have been printed in newspapers across the country.

For a newspaper like The Kansas City Star, they would be able to do their own reporting since they are right in the area.

 

[hambirg]

*deep breath*

*deep breath*

This story broke around 7:30 a.m. on local media well before AP. The Associated Press has provided little reporting on this case to the local media.

The KC area reporters I know are by and large hard working people who do work hard to verify everything that they can. KCPD may be talking little now but that certainly was not the case in the first week.

I'm not going to bash the local press. I think they tried to do their jobs, but you have to admit, they were shut out very quickly. It just boggles my mind that 3 days after BL went missing that MI comes out of the house on Walrond screaming something about a national media deal and that they called the police and then RI basically shuts the door on those two reporters that were pleading for something. .. anything. . .they were trying to get BL's story out to a metropolitan area. It was just such completely bizarre behavior for a situation like this. . .I shared those reporters disbelief!

 

[cityslick]

I only believe what is believable to me. I think sometimes DB lies and probably has for years expecting everyone to believe her. I don't.
I think SB thinks if she hangs on to DB as a friend and confident that she can filter some of the benefits her way.

True. I would hate to be judged by all my friends/acquaintances however in most cases birds of a feather do indeed flock together.

The more DB and even JI hide behind their attorneys the more I believe they are guilty. There is no way there would be any reason that would keep me from asking for my baby to be brought home, helping, begging and praying for people to keep looking for my baby, or me speaking with LE...even all by myself. No way! It's as if DB and JI just want everyone to go away while they pretend and go on as if this never happened. News flash for those two and their families...people will always remember who you are and how you acted when your precious baby girl disappeared.

MOO

Nobody will give a damn about DB/JI if it's found that a) they are not responsible for BL's death or b) BL is alive. Time will go on and if it's found that they are truly innocent, no one will be bothered to remember years from now how they 'acted', only that they were the victims of a crime. And it wouldn't surprise me for certain folks to still hold blame to them even after that.

If they are innocent.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'm not going to bash the local press. I think they tried to do their jobs, but you have to admit, they were shut out very quickly. It just boggles my mind that 3 days after BL went missing that MI comes out of the house on Walrond screaming something about a national media deal and that they called the police and then RI basically shuts the door on those two reporters that were pleading for something. .. anything. . .they were trying to get BL's story out to a metropolitan area. It was just such completely bizarre behavior for a situation like this. . .I shared those reporters disbelief!

I don't see how the local media has been shut out of this case. The Kansas City Star has written 92 articles since Lisa went missing. The parents have not done any interviews with the local press, but they have done press conferences in which the local media has been there and has reported on it. Whether there's a national media deal or not, it hasn't stopped the local media from covering the case.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I only believe what is believable to me. I think sometimes DB lies and probably has for years expecting everyone to believe her. I don't.
I think SB thinks if she hangs on to DB as a friend and confident that she can filter some of the benefits her way.

True. I would hate to be judged by all my friends/acquaintances however in most cases birds of a feather do indeed flock together.

The more DB and even JI hide behind their attorneys the more I believe they are guilty. There is no way there would be any reason that would keep me from asking for my baby to be brought home, helping, begging and praying for people to keep looking for my baby, or me speaking with LE...even all by myself. No way! It's as if DB and JI just want everyone to go away while they pretend and go on as if this never happened. News flash for those two and their families...people will always remember who you are and how you acted when your precious baby girl disappeared.

MOO

Sabrina Aisenberg went missing in 1997, with very similar circumstances to this one. There was a national media blitz, with Larry King Live, Dateline, America's Most Wanted, MSNBC, Inside Edition, The Today Show, and Oprah all covering the story. How many people would recognize the names Sabrina Aisenberg, or Steve and Marlene Aisenberg in 2011? How many people remember how they acted back in 1997? Not many, outside of the Tampa area.

Unfortunately, it's likely that people (outside of KC and WS) aren't going to remember this case and how the Irwins acted as the years go by.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Back to the OT of this thread...parents aren't answering vital questions (and the key word is vital)...therefore, I think one or both of them are guilty.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Back to the OT of this thread...parents aren't answering vital questions (and the key word is vital)...therefore, I think one or both of them are guilty.

I think this key word vital is not a word used by LE. I think it was just a word chosen by the originator of this thread. I believe the parents will answer all questions, but just need to go through the attorney first.

 

[4Jacy]

I think this key word vital is not a word used by LE. I think it was just a word chosen by the originator of this thread. I believe the parents will answer all questions, but just need to go through the attorney first.

I respectfully disagree. They (the parents) should have been there from day 1. They should have been interviewed separately. They should have used every avenue available to them, (TV, signs, vigils, whatever it took) to beg everyone and anyone to PLEASE bring their baby home.

I've been through this (as MANY) other WS's have and know the score. I believe, (ok) in my opinion (not humble) that the parents are responsible for whatever happened to that darling little soul.

 

[passionflower]

Sabrina Aisenberg went missing in 1997, with very similar circumstances to this one. There was a national media blitz, with Larry King Live, Dateline, America's Most Wanted, MSNBC, Inside Edition, The Today Show, and Oprah all covering the story. How many people would recognize the names Sabrina Aisenberg, or Steve and Marlene Aisenberg in 2011? How many people remember how they acted back in 1997? Not many, outside of the Tampa area.

Unfortunately, it's likely that people (outside of KC and WS) aren't going to remember this case and how the Irwins acted as the years go by.

O/T I will never forget Sabrina! and allot of missing children!

 

[MissJames]

I was watching a show on ID last night and they said flies will swarm over a dead body within minutes of the death. For those who think BL was in the home deceased for several hours, why is there no report from LE of flies in the house? If they can get into a car trunk, I'm sure they can get into a home.

Well,my father lived with us when he passed away .It was after 10pm on a Friday night .It took awhile for the Hospice nurse to come and declare his death,notify the coroner and then the funeral home was notified,so he was in our home for hours as we sat with him. I didn't see any flies.

 

[legalmania]

I was watching a show on ID last night and they said flies will swarm over a dead body within minutes of the death. For those who think BL was in the home deceased for several hours, why is there no report from LE of flies in the house? If they can get into a car trunk, I'm sure they can get into a home.

It may depend on the weather, when I lived in Florida I had a friend who worked in a junk yard, I could always tell the cars that someone died in because there would be these what I called, death bugs around. He was always amazed that I could pick the cars out that someone died in. They weren't flies imo they were these tiny little black gnats. It would be a couple of days the cars were sitting, but I knew exactly which cars when I saw those tiny bugs.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

O/T I will never forget Sabrina! and allot of missing children!

Of course not. I never accused you of not remembering Sabrina. My post was saying that her case got a lot of national attention 15 years ago, but is not that well known today. There was a lot of suspicion towards her parents back then, but I think it's safe to say that they live normal lives in Maryland nowadays. I doubt that people are pointing and staring at them when they are out. They probably don't stand out from any other couple. I wonder how many people on WS who know about Sabrina's case would recognize her parents?

It's not unrealistic to think the same thing could happen in this case. The case fades out of the media, the Irwins move out of state, and they live normal lives. We want to think that if these child killers don't go to prison, at least they will receive some form of justice in the real world; perhaps everyone in the country hating them for years and years and ostracizing them wherever they go, but unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I am a nurse. I can tell you that when a patient dies they are not immediately removed to a morgue or funeral home. There are times as in a Hospice setting or a nursing home where family members wish to stay with the person a while after their death or the need is there to keep the deceased person in their room while waiting for family members coming from out of town. There are times when this has been done for 4 hours or more. Many people die (of natural causes) but the coroner takes hours to arrive to pronounce death. I have seen these scenarios and not one time has a swarm of flies taken over the body immediately The smell of a decomposing body is not immediate as the odor originates from decomposing tissue and organs and while the decomposition process starts immediately, the breakdown of the tissues and that takes some time.

Here is a good article that explains a timeline for decomposition...

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2005-04/1114460899.Gb.r.html

BBM Would it be safe to say then that an HRD dog can't pick up on the smell of decomp within the first few hours of death if a fly can't? Very confusing,. Thanks for the link and the explanation.

 

[katydid23]

Well,my father lived with us when he passed away .It was after 10pm on a Friday night .It took awhile for the Hospice nurse to come and declare his death,notify the coroner and then the funeral home was notified,so he was in our home for hours as we sat with him. I didn't see any flies.

MY father chose to go to his home to die when he was in the final phase of cancer. We were there with him for hours as well. And I never saw any insects whatsoever.