Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[Donjeta]

I think this key word vital is not a word used by LE. I think it was just a word chosen by the originator of this thread. I believe the parents will answer all questions, but just need to go through the attorney first.

The word is not attributable to the originator of this thread, it comes from the heading of the story that inspired this thread.

Missing Baby Lisa Parents Not Answering Vital Questions, Police Say

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-dodge-questions-police/story?id=14760706

 

[Elley Mae]

This should be the eye opener right here, Parents will NOT answer vital Questions.

For the life of me I can not think of one question I would not answer from the police if my daughter, my 10 month old baby daughter had been taken or turned up missing from my home.
Any question they would throw at me I would answer, bring them on.
Why is it OK for them to "refuse" to talk and answer questions regarding their missing baby. I don't want to hear this cry baby crap about how it upset deborah, bullcrap

Let's face it somewhere along the line LE got suspicious and it didn't take long. For LE to have them in the station for questioning with in hours is not normal, remember that for future reference, if LE wants you to come/go to the station, you are suspect, what you say does not add up. It's pretty much plain and simple. jmo

 

[Detective Klimpt]

The word is not attributable to the originator of this thread, it comes from the heading of the story that inspired this thread.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-parents-dodge-questions-police/story?id=14760706

Thanks Donjeta. My error.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I respectfully disagree. They (the parents) should have been there from day 1. They should have been interviewed separately. They should have used every avenue available to them, (TV, signs, vigils, whatever it took) to beg everyone and anyone to PLEASE bring their baby home.

Were they not interviewed separately on day 1? Wasn't it something like a total of 30 hours of interrogation? They also made TV appearances, distributed some fliers, etc. Has pleading ever done any good in missing child cases? Just wondering.

I've been through this (as MANY) other WS's have and know the score. I believe, (ok) in my opinion (not humble) that the parents are responsible for whatever happened to that darling little soul.

What? How many posts or years on Websleuths does a person need to have in order to 'know the score'? Maybe it would be a good idea to look at each case freshly instead of coming into one with formed opinions based on other cases you've followed. I hope those that think like you don't ever get selected for a jury.

 

[MissJames]

This should be the eye opener right here, Parents will NOT answer vital Questions.

For the life of me I can not think of one question I would not answer from the police if my daughter, my 10 month old baby daughter had been taken or turned up missing from my home.
Any question they would throw at me I would answer, bring them on.
Why is it OK for them to "refuse" to talk and answer questions regarding their missing baby. I don't want to hear this cry baby crap about how it upset deborah, bullcrap

Let's face it somewhere along the line LE got suspicious and it didn't take long. For LE to have them in the station for questioning with in hours is not normal, remember that for future reference, if LE wants you to come/go to the station, you are suspect, what you say does not add up. It's pretty much plain and simple. jmo

I suspect the parents,also,but I disagree about it not being normal to take the parents in for questioning. I thought that WAS the norm,to look at the parents first.
I agree that the questioning was extended because they found the parents suspicious.

 

[MissJames]

MY father chose to go to his home to die when he was in the final phase of cancer. We were there with him for hours as well. And I never saw any insects whatsoever.

Quick story . Our cat ,Lilly chose that day to park herself between my dad's feet . I had heard of this happening in a nursing home ,but it was still unexpected.We had a Hospice nurse for 8 hours during the day and she even changed the sheets around Lily.
When Lily jumped down I said to my husband,"he must be gone". I don't know if I believed it,but it turned out to be true.
Many family members and the nurse observed the cat's vigil .
Animals just know.

 

[Nixie]

I have always wondered if LE wasn't getting the answers they wanted instead of not getting answers. You can only answer a question so many times and give the answer in so many ways. I would also be willing to answer questions, but I find it telling the parents did answer questions, they did the media stuff, and they were treated like they were the story. The story wasn't about lisa anymore instead the story became about the parents. Everything they said and did has been tore apart. They made a decision to step back but no matter what they did they would have been wrong. People on here still accuse the parents of looking for a payday from the media when they quit talking a long time ago. They were questioned separately and from the sounds of it interrogated rather harshly. They have had complete strangers judge them and accuse them of harming their child. I don't think anyone knows what they would do in a situation like that because thank goodness we are not them. We don't have their lives or their current situation. We have knowledge from our actions and experiences but have no idea where they are coming from with their choices. People expect them to behave in a certain way without knowing why they are behaving differently then decide that equals guilt. Because in other cases the parents have done it that means the parents have done it here. Every case is different and just because 10 people do something one way doesn't mean the 11th person does it that way also.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I have always wondered if LE wasn't getting the answers they wanted instead of not getting answers. You can only answer a question so many times and give the answer in so many ways. I would also be willing to answer questions, but I find it telling the parents did answer questions, they did the media stuff, and they were treated like they were the story. The story wasn't about lisa anymore instead the story became about the parents. Everything they said and did has been tore apart. They made a decision to step back but no matter what they did they would have been wrong. People on here still accuse the parents of looking for a payday from the media when they quit talking a long time ago. They were questioned separately and from the sounds of it interrogated rather harshly. They have had complete strangers judge them and accuse them of harming their child. I don't think anyone knows what they would do in a situation like that because thank goodness we are not them. We don't have their lives or their current situation. We have knowledge from our actions and experiences but have no idea where they are coming from with their choices. People expect them to behave in a certain way without knowing why they are behaving differently then decide that equals guilt. Because in other cases the parents have done it that means the parents have done it here. Every case is different and just because 10 people do something one way doesn't mean the 11th person does it that way also.

My thoughts exactly when I was reading of the toddler boy found safe just 2 or 3 days ago. No one wanted to believe (ok a small minority believed the parents ) when it was said the dog must have let the toddler out. The parents were accused of not acting right, not doing the media circus right, etc. Turns out, the dog opened the door and the toddler walked out and was found safe. IMHO people need to stop and think, we're not betting on a horse race(playing the odds) we're dealing with missing persons who are loved and missed by other real people.

 

[Whisperer]

I think this key word vital is not a word used by LE. I think it was just a word chosen by the originator of this thread. I believe the parents will answer all questions, but just need to go through the attorney first.

Believe they'll answer all question? LE is being told what to do by attorneys? Are you serious? Apparently you are convinced these two are justified and correct in the way they want to tell LE exactly how this is going to work.

That's not the way it works. Police don't give questions for attorneys to give to their suspects. The fact that they aren't coming in proves guilt...in anyone with an LE perspective.

The attorneys are there to make sure the guilty client says NOTHING. There is not one good reason for the parents to behave in this manner unless they are guilty. The lawyers are there to obstruct justice and they don't want any body to be found. These Defense Attorneys couldn't give a rat's a#$ about Lisa. If anyone thinks they do, they are mistaken...or deluded. These two need to be hauled in :behindbar:

 

[Whisperer]

These two parents know exactly what's up. They know they need protection and they have had four Criminal Defense Attorneys to make sure they don't get locked up. If they keep their mouths shut and LE doesn't find the body, they are home free.

The first thing they did was make a deal with a national news media, rejecting local ones. Why? Dollars to donuts, the Nat'l ones offered money to get exclusives. If they spoke to local media, it would not help their chances of financial gain.

I take exception to the fact that most don't know what they would do. Most people would take every opportunity to keep their child's face out there so she could be found. All would suffer through every question and accusation so they could be ruled out and the investigation could move forward.

As you can see, these parents have done no such thing and the investigation has come to a screeching halt making them appear guilty. They will be the #1 suspect/s till they come in for questioning and dispel any ideas LE has.

The fact they refuse and need so much legal help to shelter them gives credence to the fact they are in this up to their eyeballs.

 

[Whisperer]

Were they not interviewed separately on day 1? Wasn't it something like a total of 30 hours of interrogation? They also made TV appearances, distributed some fliers, etc. Has pleading ever done any good in missing child cases? Just wondering.

What? How many posts or years on Websleuths does a person need to have in order to 'know the score'? Maybe it would be a good idea to look at each case freshly instead of coming into one with formed opinions based on other cases you've followed. I hope those that think like you don't ever get selected for a jury.

....

....We got a chance to see the "other" type when they were selected in Pinellas County. That worked out real well.

 

[Whisperer]

Were they not interviewed separately on day 1? Wasn't it something like a total of 30 hours of interrogation? They also made TV appearances, distributed some fliers, etc. Has pleading ever done any good in missing child cases? Just wondering.

What? How many posts or years on Websleuths does a person need to have in order to 'know the score'? Maybe it would be a good idea to look at each case freshly instead of coming into one with formed opinions based on other cases you've followed. I hope those that think like you don't ever get selected for a jury.

How many excuses are necessary to explain the parents behavior, LE behavior and Dog behavior? There have been many and none of them explain away the fact that DB says she failed a poly. She also said several questions, but the reporter asked her, "Which one?" and she ran with that. Darn shame the reporter wasn't listening when the noun was plural.

So we have heard Bad LE, bad doggie; not sufficient. nervous poly and the refusal to talk to LE is ok because the LE are being mean to them. We have heard how Jersey has done all this because there just wasn't enough time for DB to do it...and it was impossible for Jeremy to have done it or known about it. We have heard DB bought two identical outfits and that Lisa must have been wearing one because the other was found. We have heard how it is necessary to have criminal defense attorneys and if Le REALLY wanted answers they would give the questions to the defense attorneys to filter first. We have now heard it is not necessary to go on TV and plead either because it usually doesn't do any good.

How many more excuses are going to be used to defend these parents bad behavior? It is not true that every parent handles it differently. Most parents cooperate and will go through anything to find their child. These parents are not interested. My reasoning is because they already know what has happened to their child.

 

[norest4thewicked]

How many excuses are necessary to explain the parents behavior, LE behavior and Dog behavior? There have been many and none of them explain away the fact that DB says she failed a poly. She also said several questions, but the reporter asked her, "Which one?" and she ran with that. Darn shame the reporter wasn't listening when the noun was plural.

So we have heard Bad LE, bad doggie; not sufficient. nervous poly and the refusal to talk to LE is ok because the LE are being mean to them. We have heard how Jersey has done all this because there just wasn't enough time for DB to do it...and it was impossible for Jeremy to have done it or known about it. We have heard DB bought two identical outfits and that Lisa must have been wearing one because the other was found. We have heard how it is necessary to have criminal defense attorneys and if Le REALLY wanted answers they would give the questions to the defense attorneys to filter first. We have now heard it is not necessary to go on TV and plead either because it usually doesn't do any good.

How many more excuses are going to be used to defend these parents bad behavior? It is not true that every parent handles it differently. Most parents cooperate and will go through anything to find their child. These parents are not interested. My reasoning is because they already know what has happened to their child.

Whisperer, I couldn't agree more with your points. All I am hearing is excuse after excuse of how the poor parents could not possibly be guilty. I hear how LE is not being nice to them and how they just need to get back to their lives as it was before little Lisa disappeared. I don't understand it, but there are a few who feel this way. Even though statistics show that it is far more likely than not that Lisa went missing because of one or both of her parents. Even though DB has been proven to have lied. I could go on and on.

I don't know what happened in that house, but I CAN tell everyone in absolute certainty what I would and would not do if I faced the same circumstances. I would NOT lie. I would NOT stop talking to LE until every question had been answered to LE's satisfaction. I wouldn't care what they did to me...I would never stop talking.

This case has been very complicated from the beginning, and the complications were compounded by the parents refusing to cooperate.

 

[Nixie]

So people are allowed to assume things with no facts to back up the assumptions has long has they are assuming things that make the parents look guilty or bad. If they make assumptions or look at the facts and don't see that the parents are guilty then they are making excuses.

 

[cityslick]

How many excuses are necessary to explain the parents behavior, LE behavior and Dog behavior? There have been many and none of them explain away the fact that DB says she failed a poly. She also said several questions, but the reporter asked her, "Which one?" and she ran with that. Darn shame the reporter wasn't listening when the noun was plural.

So we have heard Bad LE, bad doggie; not sufficient. nervous poly and the refusal to talk to LE is ok because the LE are being mean to them. We have heard how Jersey has done all this because there just wasn't enough time for DB to do it...and it was impossible for Jeremy to have done it or known about it. We have heard DB bought two identical outfits and that Lisa must have been wearing one because the other was found. We have heard how it is necessary to have criminal defense attorneys and if Le REALLY wanted answers they would give the questions to the defense attorneys to filter first. We have now heard it is not necessary to go on TV and plead either because it usually doesn't do any good.

How many more excuses are going to be used to defend these parents bad behavior? It is not true that every parent handles it differently. Most parents cooperate and will go through anything to find their child. These parents are not interested. My reasoning is because they already know what has happened to their child.

Lets go over the excuses and separate fact from opinion:

DB says she was told she failed, but yet there has been no confirmation of this by LE and it is also a fact that LE sometimes will tell someone they 'lied' to try to get more info from them when in fact they didn't fail.

Dog hit - unknown as to how many hits, what the dog actually hit on, etc. Unknown at this time if the dog hit really was from a dead body or something else since we haven't seen any evidence that goes with the dog hit (such as what it hit, was there a trail, etc)

Refusal to talk to LE - This has more to do with them not wanting to be subjected to separate interviews rather than not talking to LE at all. In the beginning, they did subject themselves to individual interviews. JI was told he was not needed to take an LDT.

Jersey - only linked at this point due to the fact he dated MW at one time and just happened to have a criminal history. He may not have anything to do with this.

JI - Was at work all that night, which means the evidence as we know it does not support he had anything to do with it, LE believes this too which is why they didn't have him take an LDT. He may know of it after the fact (if DB is responsible).

Defense attorneys - It is the right of every citizen in this country to have legal representation and such representation should not be an indicator of guilt or innocence, as stated by our country's laws

Going on tv - Going on tv only appeases the public perception, it does not and will not bring BL home any faster (if BL is still alive).

Anyway, there are all the 'excuses'. None of which constitutes as evidence that DB harmed her child. But I continue to wait and see what more information comes out to form a good opinion.

 

[krimekat]

My thoughts exactly when I was reading of the toddler boy found safe just 2 or 3 days ago. No one wanted to believe (ok a small minority believed the parents ) when it was said the dog must have let the toddler out. The parents were accused of not acting right, not doing the media circus right, etc. Turns out, the dog opened the door and the toddler walked out and was found safe. IMHO people need to stop and think, we're not betting on a horse race(playing the odds) we're dealing with missing persons who are loved and missed by other real people.

And commenting on a Website that retains our posts. It's amazing to me how "brave" we are hiding behind our monitors & firewalls.

Where is Pumpkin Pie? I hope she is warm & loved . . . I know she is with God!

 

[Minette]

Things that will not help LE make an arrest, much less get a conviction:

--the fact that the parents have a defense team.
--suspicion of the parents without evidence to prove what happened AND that they are the ones responsible.
--that the parents aren't cooperating to LE's satisfaction and public outcry over this.
--extrapolations from assumptions, e.g., PN rents a house some would consider very nice, he is young & doesn't seem to make that much money, therefore he couldn't possibly afford the house so drugs or some other criminal activity must be involved in paying for the house and therefore he helped DB dispose of Lisa's body because...something.
--the outcomes of various other cases in which the parents were deemed responsible, whether or not an arrest was made or a conviction obtained.
--the feeling that something is 'hinky.'

No matter how much you may believe that DB and/or JI are guilty of something, that belief isn't admissible in court and even if LE or an expert witness testifies to that belief that will get nowhere unless there are facts to back it up. And that is exactly what happened in Casey Anthony's trial: just about everyone believed she was guilty, but the state couldn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. The system worked, it just wasn't the outcome we all necessarily wanted or expected.

Clearly, this forum is not a court of law and what any of us may think or believe won't have the slightest impact on the outcome of the case. However, if you take emotion out of the equation, I don't see how you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt exactly what happened and who did what with the facts that are known to the public at this time. And that's why I'm still on the fence, which is not the same thing as 'defending' or 'excusing' the actions of the parents.

 

[cityslick]

Things that will not help LE make an arrest, much less get a conviction:

--the fact that the parents have a defense team.
--suspicion of the parents without evidence to prove what happened AND that they are the ones responsible.
--that the parents aren't cooperating to LE's satisfaction and public outcry over this.
--extrapolations from assumptions, e.g., PN rents a house some would consider very nice, he is young & doesn't seem to make that much money, therefore he couldn't possibly afford the house so drugs or some other criminal activity must be involved in paying for the house and therefore he helped DB dispose of Lisa's body because...something.
--the outcomes of various other cases in which the parents were deemed responsible, whether or not an arrest was made or a conviction obtained.
--the feeling that something is 'hinky.'

No matter how much you may believe that DB and/or JI are guilty of something, that belief isn't admissible in court and even if LE or an expert witness testifies to that belief that will get nowhere unless there are facts to back it up. And that is exactly what happened in Casey Anthony's trial: just about everyone believed she was guilty, but the state couldn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. The system worked, it just wasn't the outcome we all necessarily wanted or expected.

Clearly, this forum is not a court of law and what any of us may think or believe won't have the slightest impact on the outcome of the case. However, if you take emotion out of the equation, I don't see how you could prove beyond a reasonable doubt exactly what happened and who did what with the facts that are known to the public at this time. And that's why I'm still on the fence, which is not the same thing as 'defending' or 'excusing' the actions of the parents.

Agree with everything you said, but you brought up FCA, so be prepared.

 

[Minette]

Agree with everything you said, but you brought up FCA, so be prepared.

I know, but I am going to go do some last minute Christmas shopping right now so I'm just leaving y'all with this:

:worms:

 

[norest4thewicked]

I actually believe that bringing up Casey Anthony was a good point, although not for the same reason. True, the DA didn't have enough evidence to prove that she killed Caylee, yet I would bet that the VAST majority who are familiar with this case think that she killed her child. And, to me there is no doubt. Just as in this case, although there is not a fraction of the evidence out there for the public to know. The legal system is not a perfect system and jurors did not know a lot of things that they have said after the fact that if they knew now, their decisions might have been different.

The same things that made me believe that Casey was guilty make me believe that Deb is guilty. And, sadly for the babies in both cases, their lives were so nonchalantly taken away. It looks like Lisa will have no justice either.