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POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

What is your theory in Kyron's disappearance?

  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was unplanned, an accident.

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was planned.

    Votes: 43 15.8%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was unplanned and DeDe was called for help

    Votes: 38 13.9%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was planned and DeDe helped plan it.

    Votes: 108 39.6%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron. (Stranger being ANYONE except Terri, DeDe or accomplice.)

    Votes: 20 7.3%
  • Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around the school grounds

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron or Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around school grounds.

    Votes: 12 4.4%
  • No idea

    Votes: 47 17.2%

  • Total voters
    273
  • Poll closed .
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The sexting showed bad judgement in the circumstances but it is not a crime and it does not endanger the children if it's strictly between adults in their private moments. IMO mere sexting is not a reason to keep children from seeing their parents.

Definitely not. But in the context of 'hitting the gym' and then sexting while your stepson is being possibly tortured, molested or has been murdered is, to say the least, very very poor judgment. I simply can't imagine anyone who didn't even like their stepchild behaving the way she has behaved, unless she knows where Kyron is and what happened and doesn't care.

But sexting alone under different circumstances? No one I know would care and certainly wouldn't affect custody.

IMHO
 
Combining yesterdays press conference comments and K & D's comments on Oprah today, I'm almost convinced that TMH had her own business, that only certain people knew about, that may require some sort of numbing to go into and is cash and carry.

Comments like 'where did she get 350k', 'I can't believe I let my child come over to your house knowing how she was', 'we are learning things we shouldn't know', 'she was inconvenienced', and how quickly she took up with MC.

I'm going to leave this where it is for now, and hope you guys use overripe tomatoes.
 
I can't help but wonder, if Terri is cleared, if the RO and custody of K might be handled in an unprecedented way... It might not matter how long K was in the custody of Kaine... my own speculation...moo
 
I can't help but wonder, if Terri is cleared, if the RO and custody of K might be handled in an unprecedented way... It might not matter how long K was in the custody of Kaine... my own speculation...moo


Legally status quo always matters. From what I've read, Oregon takes it very seriously. Unless she starts fighting now, she can kiss custody goodbye. (imo)
 
Combining yesterdays press conference comments and K & D's comments on Oprah today, I'm almost convinced that TMH had her own business, that only certain people knew about, that may require some sort of numbing to go into and is cash and carry.

Comments like 'where did she get 350k', 'I can't believe I let my child come over to your house knowing how she was', 'we are learning things we shouldn't know', 'she was inconvenienced', and how quickly she took up with MC.

I'm going to leave this where it is for now, and hope you guys use overripe tomatoes.

Nahhh, I'm with ya. I have felt all along, as I think most regarding this case have - whether they believe TH is being scapegoated or like myself believe she is responsible - that there is a balloon boy element to this, and by that I mean some huge lie or story that no one is allowed to talk about. Not the LE, not the parents. I can't shake the balloon boy feeling that something is very much not right. Anyone else still feel that way? Like aside from the obvious the LE can't give us any evidence or leads they have - there's just something more bizarre...:banghead:
 
I've been mulling this theory over in my head since the impromptu PC. I could be wayyy off in left field, though, but bear with me.

Terri was involved in something criminal (drugs/gambling/prostitution even?) She owed someone for something and inadvertently Kyron heard or saw the interaction. The criminal elements found out that Kyron knew, and Terri knew that Kyron was about to spill the beans to his mom and stepfather (LE). So, in order to protect Kyron and CYA a bit (or maybe prevent others from being endangered), she took Kyron from school that day. That part was planned. She knew she could stay out in public or try to protect him and baby K until the planned drop off with Tony (mainly!) and Desiree.

What wasn't planned was this criminal following her, Kyron and baby K from school that day. She noticed someone following her and hauled butt to FM in hopes of seeing some friends and/or being in a public place so they wouldn't approach her. But they did and snatched Kyron as "insurance" - insurance that she would keep quiet and pay up. Or they continued to follow her while she was "soothing" baby K. In reality, however, she was trying to lose them on the rural roads she knew so well, but that didn't work and she was cornered. In either scenario, this person grabbed Kyron.

She told DD and friends she had to get phones to get a lawyer, but in reality she was using these phones as a possible undetected contact to this criminal element. She knew if she told Kaine, the police, anyone - Kyron would be killed. So, she fails the polys because yes she does kind of know what happened and who took him, but not where he is or where he might end up. And she still hopes that by staying mum, this will all work out somehow.

After the RO, she enlists MC's help to find baby K to try to run with her to some "safe" and unknown place...all the while not betraying her vow to keep quiet. She can't and won't tell anyone because when and if she does, they are ALL in danger of being hurt, killed or kidnapped.

LE, after going through the tons of evidence, tips, and electronic records has now discovered this "big" network of whatever that has infiltrated Portland and the surrounding communities. Perhaps they already knew about it peripherally, but had no idea the people it involved (wealthy folks? politicians? LE?).

In the meantime, Terri is still staying quiet - perhaps on the advice of her attorney and perhaps on her own accord to protect her daughter, son, and parents (and maybe even Kaine, DY and TY).

I know this scenario makes her seem like the biggest martyr in the world and/or a bad novel or movie, but I guess anything is possible.

PS. In order to poke holes in my plot, because she managed to get a questionable sum of money for Houze, I'd have to assume at some point prior to Houze, she had run out of time and Kyron was killed by this criminal element and she knew that to be true; however, that did not absolve her of her debt. As she is under such heavy surveillance, there is no feasible way to enact a transaction with this criminal element.
 
here are some more records on TH

TERRI L MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DDOU B312369DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 03/07/1996 OFFENSE DATE: 03/06/1996
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________


TERRI L MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX:
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DLAN 9600627DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 01/24/1996 OFFENSE DATE: 01/23/1996
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________


TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX:
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: CLAN 0401922DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00001 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 04/06/2004 OFFENSE DATE: 04/04/2004
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Violation
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________


TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE: Caucasian
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 506
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Red
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: CMAR 05C48454DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00001 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 07/25/2005 OFFENSE DATE: 07/10/2005
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Misdemeanor I
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________

TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE: Caucasian
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 506
EYE COLOR: Brown
HAIR COLOR: Red
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: CMAR 05C48454DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 10/05/2005
COUNTS: 00002 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 07/25/2005 OFFENSE DATE: 07/10/2005
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Misdemeanor I
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________

TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DCOO B9039827DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 04/17/1990 OFFENSE DATE: 04/15/1990
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________

TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
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IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DCOO B9039828DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 04/17/1990 OFFENSE DATE: 04/15/1990
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
______________________________________________________________________________

TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
Print

IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DDOU 09895533DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 09/22/1988 OFFENSE DATE: 09/20/1988
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES
______________________________________________________________________________


TERRI LYNN MOULTON 40 03/14/1970 Drug and Alcohol OR Unspecified Offense
Print

IDENTIFICATION
TERRI MOULTON
RACE:
SEX: F
DOB: 03/14/1970
AGE: 40 PROFILE INFO
WEIGHT: 000
HEIGHT: 000
EYE COLOR:
HAIR COLOR:
SKIN TONE:

OFFENSE DETAILS
CASE NUMBER: DDOU0891A53436DEF00001 - Confirm Case at the Courthouse
COURT NAME:
OR Admin Office of Courts ARREST AGENCY:
ARREST DATE: CASE STATE: OR
CASE CATEGORY CODE: DISPOSITION DATE: 00/00/1900
COUNTS: 00000 DISPOSITION:
ORIGINAL PLEA: STATE CODE: OR
CHARGES FILED ON: 08/21/1991 OFFENSE DATE: 08/20/1991
OFFENSE CODE: OFFENSE CLASS: Offense Infraction
OFFENSE TYPE: Criminal OFFENSE:
CONVICTION DATE: CONVICTION DATE:
SENTENCE DATE: PROBATION DATE:
SOURCE NAME: OR Admin Office of Courts FINES:
 
OK... Here is one of my theories so far:

Motive: Kaine's Life Insurance, "substantial" Savings, Estate. Must take Kyron out of the picture before Kaine "dies," so that Kyron won't inherit the hefty child's portion. She didn't want to raise Kyron anyway--she secretly loathed him after K****, her REAL child, was born. She could just send him back to Desiree, but Desiree would gain control of Kyron's part of Kaine's estate, and Terri couldn't stand that thought.

Opportunity: Last big event day at school, chaotic, lots of people = plausible deniability. Terri had been planning this since the school year began. She had already started planning it by November 2009: a photo of Kyron on her facebook on K****'s November birthday has the caption "Kyron's class (Ms. Porter). Where was Kyron do you ask? Yeah, he went to the bathroom without telling anyone. *sigh*." And two weeks before the actual plan would be implemented, Terri told people at school that Kyron had been having "mini-seizures." I think that she had always planned for Kyron to die before Kaine--when she approached the landscaper about murder-for-hire, she was just getting her ducks in a row prior to taking out Kyron.

Theory: The morning of Kyron's science fair, Terri borrows Kaine's truck, using the excuse that she will be picking Kyron's project up after the science fair is over. (We know now that that project is retained by LE.)

Kaine leaves for work, and at 8:10, after Terri wraps up her FB games (last entry on FB was Family Feud at 8:01AM) and gets the things together that she'll need for the day, she loads K**** and Kyron into the truck.

At 8:30 Terri, Kyron, and K**** arrive at school. They go to Kyron's room, and Terri snaps the photo of him with his project. She also snaps a few other photos, like the one of Kyron's friend Ku***s' project, because she wants to look totally engaged in what's going on at Skyline.

While at the science fair, Terri tells Kyron's teacher that K**** isn't feeling well, and she also mentions that Kyron has a doctor's appointment for the mini-seizure thing. After all, it's noisy with so many kids and parents around, so Terri can get away with the doctor's appointment thing by later telling investigators, "But she must not have understood--I was talking about next Friday." Again, plausible deniability.

At 8:45, all students return to their classrooms. Kyron does not. Terri tells Kyron that she's taking him to the doctor, but they won't be there long, and he'll be back at school before lunch. At 8:45, all students and teachers are in their classrooms being divided up into groups and assigned an adult to tour with each group, so now is the perfect time to scram. Sometime between 8:45 and 9:00, Terri sends Kyron to the truck without her, because she can always say, "Oh, he forgot his ____ (lunchbox, pencil, whatever) in the truck," if someone sees him leave. After she's sure that Kyron's at the truck, Terri ducks out.

I think that Terri was trying to kill time from 9:00 until 10:00, to see if anyone from Skyline would notice Kyron missing. She couldn't act until 10:15, when she would be positive that roll had been taken as kids came back from their tour of the science fair. Kyron had to be kept alive from 9:00-10:15. Once 10:15 passed, she'd know that so far she was in the clear. While she was killing time between 9 and 10, Terri bought some benadryl at FM1, gave it to Kyron, and then drove a bit until it began to take effect. At FM2, Terri planned to spend more time inside, so she had to make sure that Kyron wouldn't get out of the truck and blow everything. (**see note)

**OK... here's where I can't figure it out. HOW was Terri able to go into two FMs between 9 and 10 without risking Kyron getting out of the truck and being seen. There are three possibilities: 1) Terri threatened Kyron within an inch of his life and told him to stay in the truck--and trusted that he would. Or 2) Someone else helped Terri and sat in the truck with Kyron, keeping him occupied. Or 3) He already knows that something is terribly wrong, as Terri has restrained him and has used plastic straps to secure his feet and hands to the front-seat brackets. He is lying on the floorboard behind the front seats, mouth duct taped, no way he can scream, covered by a blanket. Would Terri take such a chance, given that the school might call any moment to verify Kyron's absence? I think she would take such a chance... she knew that this would be her last opportunity until next school year. She took a risk, and was as nervous as a hooker in church from 9:00 til 10:15, hoping beyond hope that her earlier manipulations at the school had worked.


Back to the story: 10:15 arrives, and there's no call from Skyline, so Terri knows the plan can proceed. By now, Kyron is sedated, sleeping from the benadryl, so she drives to a secluded place, gets Kyron out of the truck, and then finally she does it. She kills Kyron. With her own daughter not ten feet from where her big brother is being murdered. Terri either strangles him or duct tapes his nose and mouth Casey-Anthony-style. She puts him in a garbage bag and then a duffel bag (or possibly a sterlite container like the ones on her back patio that is seen in numerous photos), to prevent any leakage in the truck. It's 10:45 now, so Terri calls Dede and tells her it's time to meet. She places the duffel bag or container in the bed of the pick-up. She takes a moment to calm herself...her adrenaline is pumping like mad through her veins.

At 10:45 after getting the call from Terri, Dede ducks away from her assigned task at Westwind, and she goes into the woods and stops in the edge of the woods where she has clear sight of the road, but where no one can see her. At 11:00, Dede sees Terri coming down the road, steps out, and gets in the truck with her.

Dede knows what she has to do, and she knows that time is very limited. Dede takes Terri to the gym, where Terri checks in at 11:39 and then puts K**** in daycare. Dede drives off to dispose of Kyron's body. She removes him from the canvas bag, and then from the garbage bag (or from the container). And dumps him. Or she buries him in the duffel bag or container. Where is unknown. But it's not in the Skyline area. It's south of Terri's gym, where no one would think to look.

At the gym, Terri goes to the shower first, takes a quick shower (but doesn't wash her hair), and puts on her workout clothes. She puts the clothes that she had worn that morning in an FM bag and puts it back into her gym bag. (There have been some suggestions that she may have had a duplicate set of clothing that she wore that morning, just in case LE asked her to turn over the clothes she was wearing. It's possible. In that case, she bags the clothes she had worn, disposes of them in a dumpster on the way home, and has the duplicate set of clothing ready to turn over, if LE should ask.) Terri does a quick work out at the gym, doesn't even break a sweat, and her batphone rings... it's Dede telling her it's done.

Dede leaves the dump site at 12:30 and heads back to pick up Terri and K****. Terri gets K**** from daycare and then signs out of the gym at 12:40. She gets in the truck with Dede. Terri drops Dede off at the woodline of Westwind, and Dede heads back through the woods to the site where she was working that morning.

Terri's home by 1:15 and on the computer. She uploads the photos of Kyron and the science fair at 1:21. Kaine arrives home at 2:00. He asks Terri why she didn't bring Kyron's science fair project home, and she tells Kaine that Kiara got sick at the science fair, so she had to leave to get Kiara some medicine, and then she drove around awhile to soothe her, and, well, you know how time gets away from ya. She assures him that she'll just pick it up Monday.

At 3:30, there's no Kyron on the bus, beginning the search for Kyron.


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I'm not completely committed to this theory. It's just one way to explain what few facts we know about what happened that day. Now go to work punching holes in it--I will NOT be offended.
 
OK... Here is one of my theories so far:

Motive: Kaine's Life Insurance, "substantial" Savings, Estate. Must take Kyron out of the picture before Kaine "dies," so that Kyron won't inherit the hefty child's portion. She didn't want to raise Kyron anyway--she secretly loathed him after K****, her REAL child, was born. She could just send him back to Desiree, but Desiree would gain control of Kyron's part of Kaine's estate, and Terri couldn't stand that thought.

Opportunity: Last big event day at school, chaotic, lots of people = plausible deniability. Terri had been planning this since the school year began. She had already started planning it by November 2009: a photo of Kyron on her facebook on K****'s November birthday has the caption "Kyron's class (Ms. Porter). Where was Kyron do you ask? Yeah, he went to the bathroom without telling anyone. *sigh*." And two weeks before the actual plan would be implemented, Terri told people at school that Kyron had been having "mini-seizures." I think that she had always planned for Kyron to die before Kaine--when she approached the landscaper about murder-for-hire, she was just getting her ducks in a row prior to taking out Kyron.

Theory: The morning of Kyron's science fair, Terri borrows Kaine's truck, using the excuse that she will be picking Kyron's project up after the science fair is over. (We know now that that project is retained by LE.)

Kaine leaves for work, and at 8:10, after Terri wraps up her FB games (last entry on FB was Family Feud at 8:01AM) and gets the things together that she'll need for the day, she loads K**** and Kyron into the truck.

At 8:30 Terri, Kyron, and K**** arrive at school. They go to Kyron's room, and Terri snaps the photo of him with his project. She also snaps a few other photos, like the one of Kyron's friend Ku***s' project, because she wants to look totally engaged in what's going on at Skyline.

While at the science fair, Terri tells Kyron's teacher that K**** isn't feeling well, and she also mentions that Kyron has a doctor's appointment for the mini-seizure thing. After all, it's noisy with so many kids and parents around, so Terri can get away with the doctor's appointment thing by later telling investigators, "But she must not have understood--I was talking about next Friday." Again, plausible deniability.

At 8:45, all students return to their classrooms. Kyron does not. Terri tells Kyron that she's taking him to the doctor, but they won't be there long, and he'll be back at school before lunch. At 8:45, all students and teachers are in their classrooms being divided up into groups and assigned an adult to tour with each group, so now is the perfect time to scram. Sometime between 8:45 and 9:00, Terri sends Kyron to the truck without her, because she can always say, "Oh, he forgot his ____ (lunchbox, pencil, whatever) in the truck," if someone sees him leave. After she's sure that Kyron's at the truck, Terri ducks out.

I think that Terri was trying to kill time from 9:00 until 10:00, to see if anyone from Skyline would notice Kyron missing. She couldn't act until 10:15, when she would be positive that roll had been taken as kids came back from their tour of the science fair. Kyron had to be kept alive from 9:00-10:15. Once 10:15 passed, she'd know that so far she was in the clear. While she was killing time between 9 and 10, Terri bought some benadryl at FM1, gave it to Kyron, and then drove a bit until it began to take effect. At FM2, Terri planned to spend more time inside, so she had to make sure that Kyron wouldn't get out of the truck and blow everything. (**see note)

**OK... here's where I can't figure it out. HOW was Terri able to go into two FMs between 9 and 10 without risking Kyron getting out of the truck and being seen. There are three possibilities: 1) Terri threatened Kyron within an inch of his life and told him to stay in the truck--and trusted that he would. Or 2) Someone else helped Terri and sat in the truck with Kyron, keeping him occupied. Or 3) He already knows that something is terribly wrong, as Terri has restrained him and has used plastic straps to secure his feet and hands to the front-seat brackets. He is lying on the floorboard behind the front seats, mouth duct taped, no way he can scream, covered by a blanket. Would Terri take such a chance, given that the school might call any moment to verify Kyron's absence? I think she would take such a chance... she knew that this would be her last opportunity until next school year. She took a risk, and was as nervous as a hooker in church from 9:00 til 10:15, hoping beyond hope that her earlier manipulations at the school had worked.


Back to the story: 10:15 arrives, and there's no call from Skyline, so Terri knows the plan can proceed. By now, Kyron is sedated, sleeping from the benadryl, so she drives to a secluded place, gets Kyron out of the truck, and then finally she does it. She kills Kyron. With her own daughter not ten feet from where her big brother is being murdered. Terri either strangles him or duct tapes his nose and mouth Casey-Anthony-style. She puts him in a garbage bag and then a duffel bag (or possibly a sterlite container like the ones on her back patio that is seen in numerous photos), to prevent any leakage in the truck. It's 10:45 now, so Terri calls Dede and tells her it's time to meet. She places the duffel bag or container in the bed of the pick-up. She takes a moment to calm herself...her adrenaline is pumping like mad through her veins.

At 10:45 after getting the call from Terri, Dede ducks away from her assigned task at Westwind, and she goes into the woods and stops in the edge of the woods where she has clear sight of the road, but where no one can see her. At 11:00, Dede sees Terri coming down the road, steps out, and gets in the truck with her.

Dede knows what she has to do, and she knows that time is very limited. Dede takes Terri to the gym, where Terri checks in at 11:39 and then puts K**** in daycare. Dede drives off to dispose of Kyron's body. She removes him from the canvas bag, and then from the garbage bag (or from the container). And dumps him. Or she buries him in the duffel bag or container. Where is unknown. But it's not in the Skyline area. It's south of Terri's gym, where no one would think to look.

At the gym, Terri goes to the shower first, takes a quick shower (but doesn't wash her hair), and puts on her workout clothes. She puts the clothes that she had worn that morning in an FM bag and puts it back into her gym bag. (There have been some suggestions that she may have had a duplicate set of clothing that she wore that morning, just in case LE asked her to turn over the clothes she was wearing. It's possible. In that case, she bags the clothes she had worn, disposes of them in a dumpster on the way home, and has the duplicate set of clothing ready to turn over, if LE should ask.) Terri does a quick work out at the gym, doesn't even break a sweat, and her batphone rings... it's Dede telling her it's done.

Dede leaves the dump site at 12:30 and heads back to pick up Terri and K****. Terri gets K**** from daycare and then signs out of the gym at 12:40. She gets in the truck with Dede. Terri drops Dede off at the woodline of Westwind, and Dede heads back through the woods to the site where she was working that morning.

Terri's home by 1:15 and on the computer. She uploads the photos of Kyron and the science fair at 1:21. Kaine arrives home at 2:00. He asks Terri why she didn't bring Kyron's science fair project home, and she tells Kaine that Kiara got sick at the science fair, so she had to leave to get Kiara some medicine, and then she drove around awhile to soothe her, and, well, you know how time gets away from ya. She assures him that she'll just pick it up Monday.

At 3:30, there's no Kyron on the bus, beginning the search for Kyron.


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I'm not completely committed to this theory. It's just one way to explain what few facts we know about what happened that day. Now go to work punching holes in it--I will NOT be offended.

After the presser yesterday, I have been wondering if DeDe is out of the picture...
 
Human...thanks for pulling up all those charges. I went through them about a month ago and they are all traffic violations with the exception of her DUI in July of '05. Still...I was curious as to why they even show up if they are just traffic violations. Maybe she fought them all in court or something? I couldn't figure it out as none of my violations come up when I do a background search on myself. I had one ticket about 10 years ago here in Oregon. Simple speeding, just paid the fine. I also had one bigger speeding in California where I was going 30 miles over the limit. Yeah, I know...bad...it was a fancy red sports car. :blushing: But I HAD to go to court for that one. It was dismissed because the officer didn't show up. I was very lucky! None of my tickets show up for me. I just can't figure out why so many show up for TH...even old ones from when she was 18..weird. :confused:
 
OK... Here is one of my theories so far:

Motive: Kaine's Life Insurance, "substantial" Savings, Estate. Must take Kyron out of the picture before Kaine "dies," so that Kyron won't inherit the hefty child's portion. She didn't want to raise Kyron anyway--she secretly loathed him after K****, her REAL child, was born. She could just send him back to Desiree, but Desiree would gain control of Kyron's part of Kaine's estate, and Terri couldn't stand that thought....(considerably snipped!)


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I'm not completely committed to this theory. It's just one way to explain what few facts we know about what happened that day. Now go to work punching holes in it--I will NOT be offended.

Hey PufNStuff, I'm with you on most of it, but...I don't think DDS was involved. I just don't know that she could murder a child for a person that she's known a year. I think she's just naive and/or stupid and TH has filled her head with stories of evil Kaine and she's bought them, hook line and sinker - along with her being demonized by the media - yeah right. Anyways...

I think it went down like this:

Either:

TH couldn't kill KH for the money, so sets her sights on Kyron to spite KH, maybe get insurance, and then at a later date will get rid of KH too and get all the insurance (Intel employees are well paid and have good life insurance)

OR

TH has a gambling, drug, SO, criminal issue (mafia-ish) side to her and she gives/sells Kyron to pay off the debt (and to spite KH).

Either way, she then does the following:

I think she got to the science fair early (8:15) and made her rounds. I also believe she and Kyron, and/or she alone went back and forth to the truck a few times just to confuse people's memories (i.e., if they saw her and when, if she was with Kyron or not).

I think around 8:40 she told Kyron he could go see 'the electric one' or whatever but as soon as the second bell rang (I don't know what time they're bells ring), he needed to meet her around the side door where she had picked him up before ( I believe she has picked him up from this exit before in her pre-planning). She walks out one way, he walks the other, then leaves when the first or second bell rings, as planned. He exits via the side exit and runs along the path through the overgrown grass sight unseen to the truck.

If there is this second person and I think there is, (remember DY's slip of the tongue when she said words to the effect of 'why would Kyron be outside by the truck in the first place with some stranger' --I believe people DID see Kyron by the truck with a stranger, but did not see Kyron get in because TH pulled it round the side for that.

I think she drove somewhere close by without her accomplice (who had his/her own vehicle) and handed Kyron off to to him/her. This is a lover with a prison record, an SO who is only to happy to take him, or someone else that she needs to pay off a debt too. I think from LE's comments about 'disturbing' information, we can assume that Terri is not just a sociopath but quite possibly a wicked SO/child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 purveyor herself, so this wouldn't bother her to be that cruel.

At any rate, then she zooms around town getting receipts from places and making certain to not only be seen, but talks to people (i.e., woman at Freddie's who herself said it was weird Terri called her over and purposely showed that picture) -- as well as keep tabs on if the school is looking for Kyron.

I think PufNStuf you're right on the nose that she waited until past 10 to see if anyone called confirming Kyron was absent, and when they didn't, her signal to her accomplice that things were okay was NOT calling them - the accomplice now does whatever - takes out of state or country or stays local, I really don't know. Maybe she meets him/her at SI for a chat.

Then to be doubly sure nobody suspected her, TH gets home and writes the teacher about when she could pick up the project at 1 PM and sure enough, no alarms - no one says 'where's Kyron.' The plan's still a go.

Now...the reasons for TH doing this...that's a toughy - spite, hate, money or necessity (as in she will be killed if she doesn't pay off a debt?) The reasons the accomplice is keeping quiet - he's already a criminal, maybe an SO or an illegal immigrant, and even if not, we certainly can't assume he/she cares at all about DY and KH and may even enjoy their pain.

So there ya have it - the only thing I don't think TH counted on was being suspected and all the national publicity. The look on her face from day one was fear - fear of being caught.
 
OK... Here is one of my theories so far:

Motive:Kaine's Life Insurance, "substantial" Savings, Estate. Must take Kyron out of the picture before Kaine "dies," so that Kyron won't inherit the hefty child's portion. She didn't want to raise Kyron anyway--she secretly loathed him after K****, her REAL child, was born. She could just send him back to Desiree, but Desiree would gain control of Kyron's part of Kaine's estate, and Terri couldn't stand that thought.


I'm not completely committed to this theory. It's just one way to explain what few facts we know about what happened that day. Now go to work punching holes in it--I will NOT be offended.

Respectfully snipped and BBM

Wow Pufnstuf, you have certainly put a lot of thought into this posting and pack a punch in each paragraph - LOL.

I'd like to start with your first paragraph. You quoted life insurance and other than maybe insurance through his work, are we sure he has any policies that he paid monthly and if TH was the beneficiary? In the north where I reside, as part of our "extended health care" benefits we can opt to have insurance but the pay outs are not huge, usually a year's salary but in most cases this is a deduction off our take home pay. I do not claim to know what Intel offers their employees and if you know, please tell me as I am very interested in knowing this information.

Now on to Kaine's "substantial" savings.

Do we know for sure that the house was even paid off? Was there a mortgage or perhaps a second mortgage because some people know that one of the major influences of the recent market problems has been because people were borrowing on equity of a house that no longer holds the value of the loan anymore. In other words, if you tried to sell your home you might not get what you owe or paid for it.

What about debt? Both my husband and I work full time and probably combined, make more than KH, we have 2 children under the age of 10 and none of our vehicles are newer than 1999. I wish hubby would surprise me with a Mustang for Mother's Day too! Should anything happen to my husband, no matter how tragic, I don't see VISA or any bank just wiping out our account because they feel sorry for me.

"Estate", although I realize that this is the proper terminology, it sounds a bit Howard Huges like to me. His "estate" might consist of mortgage insurance that pays off the house (not sure about a second mortgage though), the savings that apparently TH was "spending like water" and the life insurance (if left to TH) might have to be used to pay any of KH's (and TH's) debt. Before I can make a judgement call on this "estate" I would want to know roughly how much KH would be worth dead versus how much he actually owes before I buy the MFH plot and the substantial gain TH has by eliminating the little boy first.

The last part of this bolded paragraph, "Desiree gaining control" and "Terri couldn't stand the thought" are along the same line as my "Howard Huges" comment and a bit OTT.

I know that all of these points were just your opinion - the same with me :couch:
 
Human...thanks for pulling up all those charges. I went through them about a month ago and they are all traffic violations with the exception of her DUI in July of '05. Still...I was curious as to why they even show up if they are just traffic violations. Maybe she fought them all in court or something? I couldn't figure it out as none of my violations come up when I do a background search on myself. I had one ticket about 10 years ago here in Oregon. Simple speeding, just paid the fine. I also had one bigger speeding in California where I was going 30 miles over the limit. Yeah, I know...bad...it was a fancy red sports car. :blushing: But I HAD to go to court for that one. It was dismissed because the officer didn't show up. I was very lucky! None of my tickets show up for me. I just can't figure out why so many show up for TH...even old ones from when she was 18..weird. :confused:

I saw yours as well and the explanations that were for her traffic violations. If you look at the ones that i posted, they are are for drug/alcohol violations which are different than the traffic ones that you posted.
 
puf, I think your theory makes a lot of sense.

Kaine would have Intel stock options as part of his package.

The house would be free and clear if he had mortgage insurance, which would be very inexpensive at his age. A free house to live in is nothing to sneeze at. That is huge. No house payments.

Life insurance when you don't have to pay a house payment or rent is a nice little option, I feel.

Then there are the survivor benefits for herself and the baby. I think that she could live quite comfortably on all of that.
 
I have to warn you that threads like this turn into general discussion.
so please post your theories and then move on. If this turns into a GD thread it will be closed.

If you are unable to post your theory because you suspect the family,do the best you can.

How neat! "If you are unable to post your theory because you suspect the family,do the best you can".

Ya gotta love our Bean. Ya Ya
 
Hey PufNStuff, I'm with you on most of it, but...I don't think DDS was involved. I just don't know that she could murder a child for a person that she's known a year. I think she's just naive and/or stupid and TH has filled her head with stories of evil Kaine and she's bought them, hook line and sinker - along with her being demonized by the media - yeah right. Anyways...

I think it went down like this:

Either:

TH couldn't kill KH for the money, so sets her sights on Kyron to spite KH, maybe get insurance, and then at a later date will get rid of KH too and get all the insurance (Intel employees are well paid and have good life insurance)

OR

TH has a gambling, drug, SO, criminal issue (mafia-ish) side to her and she gives/sells Kyron to pay off the debt (and to spite KH).

Either way, she then does the following:

I think she got to the science fair early (8:15) and made her rounds. I also believe she and Kyron, and/or she alone went back and forth to the truck a few times just to confuse people's memories (i.e., if they saw her and when, if she was with Kyron or not).

I think around 8:40 she told Kyron he could go see 'the electric one' or whatever but as soon as the second bell rang (I don't know what time they're bells ring), he needed to meet her around the side door where she had picked him up before ( I believe she has picked him up from this exit before in her pre-planning). She walks out one way, he walks the other, then leaves when the first or second bell rings, as planned. He exits via the side exit and runs along the path through the overgrown grass sight unseen to the truck.

If there is this second person and I think there is, (remember DY's slip of the tongue when she said words to the effect of 'why would Kyron be outside by the truck in the first place with some stranger' --I believe people DID see Kyron by the truck with a stranger, but did not see Kyron get in because TH pulled it round the side for that.

I think she drove somewhere close by without her accomplice (who had his/her own vehicle) and handed Kyron off to to him/her. This is a lover with a prison record, an SO who is only to happy to take him, or someone else that she needs to pay off a debt too. I think from LE's comments about 'disturbing' information, we can assume that Terri is not just a sociopath but quite possibly a wicked SO/child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 purveyor herself, so this wouldn't bother her to be that cruel.

At any rate, then she zooms around town getting receipts from places and making certain to not only be seen, but talks to people (i.e., woman at Freddie's who herself said it was weird Terri called her over and purposely showed that picture) -- as well as keep tabs on if the school is looking for Kyron.

I think PufNStuf you're right on the nose that she waited until past 10 to see if anyone called confirming Kyron was absent, and when they didn't, her signal to her accomplice that things were okay was NOT calling them - the accomplice now does whatever - takes out of state or country or stays local, I really don't know. Maybe she meets him/her at SI for a chat.

Then to be doubly sure nobody suspected her, TH gets home and writes the teacher about when she could pick up the project at 1 PM and sure enough, no alarms - no one says 'where's Kyron.' The plan's still a go.

Now...the reasons for TH doing this...that's a toughy - spite, hate, money or necessity (as in she will be killed if she doesn't pay off a debt?) The reasons the accomplice is keeping quiet - he's already a criminal, maybe an SO or an illegal immigrant, and even if not, we certainly can't assume he/she cares at all about DY and KH and may even enjoy their pain.

So there ya have it - the only thing I don't think TH counted on was being suspected and all the national publicity. The look on her face from day one was fear - fear of being caught.

Purdy good Just, lol

The 'weird music' youtube says she killed Kyron on Brooks Rd. It is the road that takes off right next to the church across from the school. I drove down there and after a block or so realized it was like a straight road down a long hill and back up again with little driveways going off to the homes. Then, driving back towards the school I realized she could have pulled in to the left right away and turned into the back parking lot of the church. It was about the only place I could see her having an opportunity that was pretty clear to commit murder in a car and not be seen.

So I think you are correct on that point that she drove someplace close by and turned off the engine briefly. Then I think she drove down to Newberry Rd and met someone by that field that was searched {her truck was seen there I believe}, and turned him over to someone else. She then jetted down Newberry to Hwy #30, took a left and then went over the SI bridge where a friend met her, as they drove wildly side by side, panicked about what to do now that everything was done. From there she backtracked up to Freddies. I think the time line would fit. Gosh, I wish I knew what the truth is without having to speculate. :innocent:
 
Here's what I come up with when I connect the currently available dots:

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Can anyone tell me what this looks like?
 
Purdy good Just, lol

The 'weird music' youtube says she killed Kyron on Brooks Rd. It is the road that takes off right next to the church across from the school. I drove down there and after a block or so realized it was like a straight road down a long hill and back up again with little driveways going off to the homes. Then, driving back towards the school I realized she could have pulled in to the left right away and turned into the back parking lot of the church. It was about the only place I could see her having an opportunity that was pretty clear to commit murder in a car and not be seen.

So I think you are correct on that point that she drove someplace close by and turned off the engine briefly. Then I think she drove down to Newberry Rd and met someone by that field that was searched {her truck was seen there I believe}, and turned him over to someone else. She then jetted down Newberry to Hwy #30, took a left and then went over the SI bridge where a friend met her, as they drove wildly side by side, panicked about what to do now that everything was done. From there she backtracked up to Freddies. I think the time line would fit. Gosh, I wish I knew what the truth is without having to speculate. :innocent:

You know, I want to believe he's alive, but it's certainly more likely, statistically, that he's not. I do think if she murdered him it was just like you said, very fast, close by and all the driving was her freaking out and meeting with her accomplice (versus calling them). And then the reason the LE stated that they've learned 'disturbing things' is that they've seen that she plotted how to murder this little kid for months, maybe bragged to people about it, or solicited ideas from SO's - who knows. Here's a true didja know...hard drives on computers, even if completely erased with a new operating system put on them - still store your old info. Uh yep. So maybe she did her own sick sleuthing pre-murder, erased her hard drive (so she thought) and when the forensic computer specialists saw the way in which she researched carrying it out, it was 'disturbing'and heartbreaking.
 
If LE has evidence that TH *plotted to murder* Kyron for months, then why hasn't the GJ returned an indictment?
 
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