POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

[cluciano63]

May I add to your theory:
unless it was someone that he knew .............
that belonged there also, another child's parent, friend of TH????

If TH has such a friend...why hit up landscapers?

And unless Le has basically been lying to the community, saying this is a Kyron-focused event, I just don't see it being some other parent. And they are practically singing out that it is not a stranger. (not that I think they really have a clue what is going on, so that does not mean much )

 

[Barry]

I'll take a stab at the motivation aspect. This is assuming TH as the perp. In my mind, unless she's completely crazy, the idea of hiring a hitman to kill Kaine, and doing harm to Kyron, are kind of a psychological counter-poise to each other. The mental reasons and mindset for doing one or the other seem quite different to me. Now, if you view it as a cold, calculating person searching for a way to make money, it seems to make more sense. Being driven by money, both things seem clearer, IMO.

So, for motivation, I would go for that age old adage: "follow the money".

Sorry, it's all I got so far in this very confusing mess.

 

[Faulkner]

I'll take a stab at the motivation aspect. This is assuming TH as the perp. In my mind, unless she's completely crazy, the idea of hiring a hitman to kill Kaine, and doing harm to Kyron, are kind of a psychological counter-poise to each other. The mental reasons and mindset for doing one or the other seem quite different to me. Now, if you view it as a cold, calculating person searching for a way to make money, it seems to make more sense. Being driven by money, both things seem clearer, IMO.

So, for motivation, I would go for that age old adage: "follow the money".

Sorry, it's all I got so far in this very confusing mess.

I've been trying to reconcile those two, too, Barry. And does it strike you then, that a death of a grief stricken Kaine through an apparent heart attack or suicide - as some have suggested - might have been still to come in terms of the second shoe to drop? Because, without that second shoe dropping, any potential financial payoff resulting from Kyron's disappearance would seem to be in Kaine's control. And he seems to be a guy who likes control, IMO, and wouldn't necessarily loosen those purse strings too readily for his wife.

 

[PortlandMama]

BBM - I wanted to post this observation earlier, but it didn't seem appropriate.

However, in light of recent news (divorce, RO, alleged murder-for-hire), I think that her RECENT weight change could have something to do with poor Kyron's disappearance.

My theory isn't much different than most on this thread, but I do think that there is something to her WEIGHT GAIN.

I noticed immediately that pictures with her right after Baby K. was born, she was still quite fit. From the pictures, she didn't let herself get out of shape until quite recently.

Passionflower's quote above was posted on the thread about TMH's DUI, and wonders if drinking (IMO recent, heavy drinking, if so) could play a role... I would add to that the many prescription meds (esp for mood disorders) that cause you to put on weight rapidly.

Some of these meds have been alleged to cause suicidal thoughts/actions, and unfortunately I know from experience how some can react "badly" (to put it mildly) with certain personality types...

That being said, my theory is not that TMH has mental issues (indeed she may have) but that a particular combo of prescription meds and/or drinking and/or drugs could very well have helped move TMH into action.:waitasec:

That's all I have so far.:blushing:

I just want to interject that, while her recent weight gain might indicate stress or depression, it could also be that she's simply in the bulking phase of her bodybuilding training. I used to know a couple of male competitive bodybuilders and they would eat massive amounts of food and lift very heavy weights to bulk up (putting on a lot of muscle and fat), then go on an intense diet and up the cardio in the weeks immediately before the competition to shed the fat, leaving just the extra muscle. Hard on the body, I'm sure, but it's done. Just a thought.

 

[sarah7855]

While I do think that money is a big motivating factor here, I think it is more of an afterthought, but not the main reason that Terri (allegedly) wanted Kaine dead. I think it is more of "and as a plus, not only will that cheating SOB and his son be gone, I'll also have his money to live off of!" type thing. Hell hath no fury like a woman scored, period. It has come out via the landscaper that Kaine "hurt" Terri by having an affair. (sideline-I've read reports today that the affair was possibly with a co-worker, can someone be so kind as to point me in the direction of that info please?) Either way, I think that this alleged affair was the reason for Terri wanting to hurt Kaine, to get back at him. Maybe she tried to accomplish this by having an affair of her own. Would explain how she felt comfortable enough to proposition Landscaper Guy to murder her husband...he was the other party in said affair. I can envision Terri thinking that this affair would make Kaine wake up and realize what he has, so to speak, and patch everything back up with them. It didn't work, driving a wedge deeper between them. Terri then gets desperate and goes to her last resort-hitting Kaine where it really hurts: Kyron. I don't have a theory of "how" she did it, but there's my theory of why. Remember, these two got together before the dust had settled between he and Desiree. It's a fact that relationships that form from two people who are either in relationships at the time of them getting together or very soon after often have trust issues within them. And above all else, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. :twocents:

 

[just]

BBM - I wanted to post this observation earlier, but it didn't seem appropriate.

However, in light of recent news (divorce, RO, alleged murder-for-hire), I think that her RECENT weight change could have something to do with poor Kyron's disappearance.

My theory isn't much different than most on this thread, but I do think that there is something to her WEIGHT GAIN.

I noticed immediately that pictures with her right after Baby K. was born, she was still quite fit. From the pictures, she didn't let herself get out of shape until quite recently.

Passionflower's quote above was posted on the thread about TMH's DUI, and wonders if drinking (IMO recent, heavy drinking, if so) could play a role... I would add to that the many prescription meds (esp for mood disorders) that cause you to put on weight rapidly.

Some of these meds have been alleged to cause suicidal thoughts/actions, and unfortunately I know from experience how some can react "badly" (to put it mildly) with certain personality types...

That being said, my theory is not that TMH has mental issues (indeed she may have) but that a particular combo of prescription meds and/or drinking and/or drugs could very well have helped move TMH into action.:waitasec:

That's all I have so far.:blushing:

I agree that her appearance changing so drastically is very important. Now, she may be purposely looking glum and uncared for because she doesn't want to call attention to herself. I remember seeing Ward Weaver walking out of the courtroom after he had been convicted and he looked so down and dejected and pitiful - which is what sociopaths do - they rely on pity.

But...she does have the look to me of dementia or paranoia? I do think though that the news would be all over this like white on rice, saying you know her remarks were all over the place, she couldn't focus, blah blah.

I do absolutely think rage and obsession got the best of her and with the right medications she may in fact 'realize' what she's done. Or, she could just be your typical sociopath always looking out for #1.

 

[just]

Quick question: Do we have pictures of the parking lot at the school? The reason I'm asking is that I live close by and unless you all think it would be disrespectful, maybe I could go take pictures of them? I was thinking of my daughter's school (nearby) and there are two parking lots, one in back and front (like this school seems to have) but what you can't see from the aerial shots is that at her school, the lot in the back has no windows facing out to it, and...there are 2 doors leading out there. Most parents park in front where the classroom windows face out, but that back one, which is right next to the building, just doesn't have those windows in that direction.

I wonder if this school is the same? I'll go try to look for pics of the school but if you guys have a link, will you let me know? That would make her telling K to meet her at a certain exit very plausible.

 

[mtnone]

For today I will go with:

Terri gets to know Landscaper guy at the school projects. Maybe they have an affair, maybe not. Maybe she talks to him about offing Kaine, maybe not. I would think that LE has more than just his word to impress the judge with for the RO. But, I wouldn't think they were so desperate to try to set her up on that Saturday either, so maybe they don't have more. That was not an impressive move.

Kaine is not dead. So maybe that never happened, maybe it was just talk. The flirting or relationship ends. Landscape guy is not a happy camper. Maybe even a looney tune.

In May he tries to do something to Terri that prompts her to call the police on the incident. But, nothing happens.

He gets Kyron out of the school right after Terri leaves. He has met Kyron before, so Kyron knows him. Perhaps this is where the electric project young T. mentioned comes into play, if it does at all.

He takes Kyron away and does whatever out of anger at Terri. Or he passes him off to another person to do whatever.

When he is contacted by LE in the course of this investigation, or after being mentioned to them by Terri, he tells the hire for kill story to get back at her some more, or because it was true.

Terri doesn't know where Kyron is or what happened to him. She is guilty of maybe an affair, maybe the plot, or maybe just being a very guilty looking person during the PC.

If not this then I will lean towards the theory Cash posted above. But, if they were so desperate to set her up just recently, I say they have nothing on her but suspicions, and that doesn't bode well for this case.

 

[cluciano63]

My theory is that no one passed Kyron off to anyone else. This to me indicates too many people that are willing to become involved in this type of a felony. It is hard enough for me to wrap my brain about one person being willing (the instigator) let alone others to "pass him off to." I am just not getting that.

And I am not responding to anyone in particular, I just keep readng that phrase, as though it is the most normal thing in the world, when it is the most abnormal.

 

[Cheewawa007]

Jessigirl & Mrs G Norris, you both get my vote!!! If I were a fence sitter, you knocked my big fat arce off with your theories that's fo' sho'! And I was doing quite a balancing act - a cheek on each side *wink*!

 

[loves2bmom]

Quick question: Do we have pictures of the parking lot at the school? The reason I'm asking is that I live close by and unless you all think it would be disrespectful, maybe I could go take pictures of them? I was thinking of my daughter's school (nearby) and there are two parking lots, one in back and front (like this school seems to have) but what you can't see from the aerial shots is that at her school, the lot in the back has no windows facing out to it, and...there are 2 doors leading out there. Most parents park in front where the classroom windows face out, but that back one, which is right next to the building, just doesn't have those windows in that direction.

I wonder if this school is the same? I'll go try to look for pics of the school but if you guys have a link, will you let me know? That would make her telling K to meet her at a certain exit very plausible.

Hi neighbor...I'm local too. Another poster, Gwenabob took many pictures of the school including the parking lot. The back of the school has been a subject discussed by many on how the back door leads to an area that would not be seen. It's definitely a possibility of how (anyone) could have gotten him out easily.

Here's Gwenabob's photo album of the school:
http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline School/

 

[Curious Me]

Sorry- had to move my previous post to a new thread.

My theory....SM is involved somehow. She has to be. Why would she do something to KH? I for one can not imagine being angry enough at someone I was in a state of mind to try to harm them or consider it. So- I would think motive is pure anger- maybe rage- kids often see the brunt of that in abuse situations...so why would it be different in this case?

I had considered before there was an affair playing a part in this somewhere...maybe revenge. Maybe something like she was so unhappy she wanted to get back at KH so do something to something very important...like a kid?
Heck I do not know...gives me the ebbie jeebies just trying to wrap my mind around the "why". Ewwww.

BBM At first I totally misread your post. I thought you meant Kaine's affair produced a pregnancy, but I don't think you meant that.

Well, I never considered how involved the affair could have been, but I would think that was when TH got seething mad. It could be the thing that set this in motion for sure if his lover was having/had his baby. Just the fact that he was probably having an affair with someone at work at around the time of pregnancy and early motherhood is enough to set some revenge in motion. This is a theories thread so it's good to see people stretching their imagination to explain what the conditions of the home life were like for little Kyron. He seemed to have been caught in the middle of some nasty emotions between his parents, but he sure looked happy and well cared for in all the pics. Can not imagine harming that little boy. How mad was TH, I wonder.

 

[Ladybulldog]

I know this won't be a popular theory but here is mine. My theory is Kaine has planned this all along. Given past history with his first wife(divorce and RO) and being the type to control everything around him(including his checkbook). Sending her son off to his Grandparents before the landscaper came into the picture. I'm sure the landscaper will get a nice little payment when the dust settles down after he was used as a scapegoat. (He said/She said).No crime has been committed on his part (except withholding information several months ago?) There is speculation of an affair with a female ex-employee. I'm sure Desiree can relate to this and so can Terri as well. I wonder if Kaine and his daughter will be relocating out of the country after this and reuniting with Kyron. While Terri sits in jail trying to prove her innocence. Just one of my working theories at the moment.

 

[gwenabob]

I know this won't be a popular theory but here is mine. My theory is Kaine has planned this all along. Given past history with his first wife(divorce and RO) and being the type to control everything around him(including his checkbook). Sending her son off to his Grandparents before the landscaper came into the picture. I'm sure the landscaper will get a nice little payment when the dust settles down after he was used as a scapegoat. (He said/She said).No crime has been committed on his part (except withholding information several months ago?) There is speculation of an affair with a female ex-employee. I'm sure Desiree can relate to this and so can Terri as well. I wonder if Kaine and his daughter will be relocating out of the country after this and reuniting with Kyron. While Terri sits in jail trying to prove her innocence. Just one of my working theories at the moment.

I have read nothing anywhere except for supposition here that Kaine was a tightwad and cheapskate. He bought a fancy sports car for his wife for Mother's Day. I got a box of chocolates.

It might be true that he is controlling with money. It might also be true that Terri spends money in an irresponsible way. And neither might be true. Just thought I would throw that out.

 

[PorcineGranny]

I haven't seen anyone bring this over from the astrology thread, but I'm thinking Terry and Kaine had some "undesireable" friends and maybe while Kaine was at work, Terry was in touch with them. Unknowingly by her, they were interested in Kyron. They may have groomed Kyron. He would recognize them, go with them,remember in the astrology thread it says she doesn't know she has the information to find him. Just speculating. I find it so hard to think she could in any way jeopardize the life of this little boy she had practically raised. I couldn't even plan a dog's demise I had raised.

 

[JBean]

emma I hope you don;t mind but I am going to change the title of this thread to Connect the dots.

 

[ClueMeIn]

When I read the June 16th date on this, and the title, I thought it was really eerie!

I think I need to take a break for a bit.

 

[AndThenThereWereNone]

First time poster with idea--don't know if this has been discussed before. But what about (someone) taking Kyron and leaving him at an apiary on Sauvie Island knowing (or hoping) that he would be stung.

CSI Season 4, Episode 11--death by bee sting

 

[wondering1]

I have read nothing anywhere except for supposition here that Kaine was a tightwad and cheapskate. He bought a fancy sports car for his wife for Mother's Day. I got a box of chocolates.

It might be true that he is controlling with money. It might also be true that Terri spends money in an irresponsible way. And neither might be true. Just thought I would throw that out.

I know, they got married at Princeville for heaven's sake. Maybe that tide turned recently -- due to his new attitude, or the economy, or major debt, or or or

jmo

 

[denkster69]

I have been reading through the news blogs & several people are saying this is Terrie & if so....I believe them to be correct. If I was NOT ALLOWED to post this please remove for me, I am a new AT POSTING.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Hormanprobelatest-97771724.html?commentPage=4#comments

awaitingjustice said on July 5, 2010 at 10:00 AM