POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

What is your theory in Kyron's disappearance?

  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was unplanned, an accident.

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was planned.

    Votes: 43 15.8%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was unplanned and DeDe was called for help

    Votes: 38 13.9%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was planned and DeDe helped plan it.

    Votes: 108 39.6%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron. (Stranger being ANYONE except Terri, DeDe or accomplice.)

    Votes: 20 7.3%
  • Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around the school grounds

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron or Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around school grounds.

    Votes: 12 4.4%
  • No idea

    Votes: 47 17.2%

  • Total voters
    273
  • Poll closed .
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here are my dots of interest:

1)in the fall of 2009 Terri Horman solicits a landscaper that she approaches about killing her husband. He allegedly had an affair. She has a past history of cheating on her first husband per WW fwiw.

2)spring of 2010 Terri sends her bio son away from his friends, his swim team, his band that he played trumpet in, to live with her parents. The bio dad of this child was quoted in the WW as saying that it was due to slipping grades and that he sometimes butted heads with Kaine but that he (the child could be stubborn) ******my interjection here is Terri was a teacher.. could she not have helped him out with his grades? why take this kid away from all of his high school friends????? the butting heads is common.. if I got a star for every time I butted heads with my parents during highschool I could fill the freaking universe!!!!!!! I think she sent him away for "other reasons' jmhoo"*****

3)intermittant terri comments under kyron pictures on her facebook: mods delete this part if you want.. but her captions under his pictures were cold, detached and sarcastic. One picture of him at the zoo with his head at the a$$ end of an animal she wrote the following: "this explains everything" sje also frequently put his entire name under any photo of him... "kyron horman" vs how she posted under her other children's pictures. I got a sense of detachment almost like she was posting a picture of another kid in her child's class that she wanted to make sure the parents got a copy of the photo. Problem is: she is the parent.

4)further facebook postings after kyron went missing. One friend told her, here is the poster I made of kyron, can you make it your photo? Did she? no. She 'liked' a bunch of things but she never once said a thing. Not one post. about him. She did post that she was hitting the gym.. and she did with her husband. She also posted, the day after he went missing, for people to not believe media reports.. even though there were hardly any at that time

5)Kyron's family finally attends a press conference and Terri has body language that is currently in question. I frankly have many questions of it and find it to be very confusing.

6)reports come out that Terri was not where she said she was and that she failed a polygraph. Searches are conducted on Sauvie Island allegedly as a result of this information

7)fliers come out to elicit further information from parents and kids at the school. Terri Horman's face and vehicle are on the flier as well as questions pertianing to anyone seeing her at the school that day at any time with kyron.

8)Terri is given a second polygraph

9)D and K give a statement sans Terri

10)K leaves the family home with baby K

11)there are two 911 calls to LE from Terri Horman. This may be related to an alleged sting to get her to admit on wire to her murder for hire plot with a landscaper. One pertains to a threat (landscaper wire sting?) and the latter to a custody issue (the fact that Kaine has taken off with her beloved daughter)

12)after the weekend one media outlet corners Terri and asks her if Kaine has moved out.. she says she must squelch all these reports, gives a thumbs up, and says all is wonderful in Horman land

13)later that same day she is served with not only divorce papers but a restraining order (family abuse prevention) from her daughter. She is, by some media outlets, reported as being surprised

14)some initial paperwork comes out to show that the RO had to do with family abuse prevention and it was SIGNED AND ORDERED BY A JUDGE. It was further sealed due to compromising Kyron's case

15)D, K, and D's husband make a taped media plea and question answering session to select media. THEY PLEAD FOR TERRI TO COOPERATE WITH LE. They shun some (ww, oregonian) who are up in arms. We find out Kaine was home that day in the morning and didn't get home until 2pm... when he found Terri at home on the computer.

16)reports leak out about the murder for hire plot to a landscaper hired, unbeknownst to Kaine, by Terri Horman in the fall of 2009. Terri has all of her parents living at the family home with her while the Kaine and her daughter are in an undisclosed location. She furthermore retains a highly prominent defense atty.

17)reports leak out that the 911 calls made by Terri horman were during the commission of a possible police sting to get Terri Horman to confess to this murder plot.. but it failed. In a pressor LE, when asked by media if Kyron was seen leaving the school, says, "NO COMMENT"

18)D and her husband issue another statement and plead with Terri Horman to cooperate with LE and bring Kyron home. THEY SAY SHE HAS NOT COOPERATED WITH LE SINCE SHE RETAINED HER DEFENSE ATTY.

19)the DA states that the restraining order info may be released on 8 July 2010 because all of the info contained within has already been leaked to the press.

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comment on my dots to be continued LOL
 
Nope, I believe that connect the dots means to connect the information that we are given. No adding in your own dots. ;)

If we're to only go on known fact, and not rumor through hearsay and third-hand unnamed 'sources', then there's really not much to go on.

We know Kyron was at school that morning.

We know Terri took him to school, and (according to LE) was the last known person to see him. [my question is are they discounting witnesses who saw him without Terri?]

We know Terri drove the family's truck that day, but no confirmation she used it to take him to school.

We know Kaine went to work before Kyron left for school, and returned home in the early afternoon. [we do not know what vehicle he drove]

We know Terri and baby were there when Kaine arrived home.

We know the three walked to the end of their drive to pick up Kyron from the bus, only to find out he was not on the bus.

Bus driver calls school secretary who says Kyron was absent from school [all day? part of the day?]

When Kaine sees that Kyron is not on the bus, he begins to walk back to the house, figuring that Kyron had been confused thinking he was to be picked up as he'd been dropped off that day. When he realizes Kyron was absent all day, he starts to run. [that got my hinky meter buzzing a bit]

What else do we know about that day? I just woke up, so I may have forgotten something.

We have the interview with his friend, T. I don't see the child making that up out of whole cloth; either the volunteer and teacher did discuss Kyron missing from the group or T was heavily coached. I saw nothing to make me believe that he was, but who knows. And if he was, why?
 
Sorry if If this has been said before but... Just wondering if the "connect the dots" phrase was maybe deeper meaning than we are thinking. Maybe it is Something like the Reporter referring to the landscaping then we all find out about the murder for hire situation. Maybe the "Dot" has a hidden message to tell someone that they are looking in a certain direction.

??
 
I wonder if the connect the dots comments was directed solely at TMH. It seems to be all about the pressure, and to me, I mean I just want to think, it's so that some action will take place and Kyron will be found. I don't think he cares what I think at all, or what dots I connect. Nurse, you sure made some excellent ones, though!
 
With regard to my feeling that someone lured Kyron : there are very few secrets in small communities. It is quite possible that the person responsible knew a great deal about TH and KH. Predator pedophiles use family strife to their advantage ; either to befriend and groom a would be victim, or to make a child feel that their parents are too "preoccupied " to care for them... A ruse to get the child to trust the pedophile...

Even though this is labeled a "connect the dots " theory thread,IMO it's important to acknowledge that we do not actually have all of the dots. Or even most of the dots. Probably we know very little of the truth. At this time,IMO, one theory is every bit as valid as another one.... Until we get a confession,a plea, or even an arrest....

All JMO

I think your theory is a good one, but I'm not sure this took place in a "small community", unless you mean the community of people who are connected to Skyline Elementary School through their children.

Could you elaborate on the community thing? I don't want to repeat myself re: what "rural" Portland means until I know what you meant.
 
I wonder if Terri had a hit man following K and her that day at the science fair. Once she left he took him.

JMO
 
When I see the press conference from last night, I get a very clear impression from Tony Y. that he/they are connecting the dots to lead to Terri. Whether that is what he meant or not, seeing how the conference was basically about telling Terri to cooperate, using her daughter, etc...that is how I took it.

I would like to think that LE is fixated on Terri because, for any number of possible reasons, they have been unable to clear her/account for her time in a satisfactory manner for that day. I would be loathe to think that they seem to be fixated on her because the trail ends with her, with Kyron, inside the school, and she may have failed a LD or two. That hardly seems enough to generate this type of scrutiny, and I hope when they are looking at tips, they are looking at everything, even if it points away from Terri. We have all seen tunnel-vision with LE before and it is not unreasonable to question LE. It is our right.

I guess now that this case has stretched into week #5, I no longer have a theory. When I thought it must be Terri, I thought it would be quickly resolved, one way or the other. But now I just don't know. If the reason for the RO is due to the alleged murder-for-hire only (unknown as of now) then it does not really have to do with Kyron, necessarily. So if the other parents turned on her based on the plot, then they may have jumped to conclusions. It's possible. They may feel that, as many do, that if she could dream up a murder plot against Kaine, she could harm Kyron. I am not certain that the two go hand-in-hand at this point.

I won't post any more theories until we know more.
 
In my experience, "Connect the Dots" is usually followed by:

"Follow the money...Follow the "affair"
 
here are my dots of interest:
<snip>
2)spring of 2010 Terri sends her bio son away from his friends, his swim team, his band that he played trumpet in, to live with her parents. The bio dad of this child was quoted in the WW as saying that it was due to slipping grades and that he sometimes butted heads with Kaine but that he (the child could be stubborn) ******my interjection here is Terri was a teacher.. could she not have helped him out with his grades? why take this kid away from all of his high school friends????? the butting heads is common.. if I got a star for every time I butted heads with my parents during highschool I could fill the freaking universe!!!!!!! I think she sent him away for "other reasons' jmhoo"*****

3)intermittant terri comments under kyron pictures on her facebook: mods delete this part if you want.. but her captions under his pictures were cold, detached and sarcastic. One picture of him at the zoo with his head at the a$$ end of an animal she wrote the following: "this explains everything" sje also frequently put his entire name under any photo of him... "kyron horman" vs how she posted under her other children's pictures. I got a sense of detachment almost like she was posting a picture of another kid in her child's class that she wanted to make sure the parents got a copy of the photo. Problem is: she is the parent.

<snip>

I agree with part two of your theory--I keep saying that "butting heads" is just a normal part of teenagedom and without further evidence I'm sticking to that. I like the star analogy, LOL. And yeah, if TH was a teacher, I would think she might have learned some skills to help her son get along better in the family too. JMO

As far as part 3, in the photo you're talking about it was actually J, not Kyron. I guess I have a twisted sense of humor, because if I saw those photos without the current weirdness surrounding the family, I would think they were funny and just gentle teasing. The kid seemed to be goofing around poking fun at himself by posing that way. I do however have a mother whose idea of showing affection, if you can call it that, is teasing, and she's a narcissist. Hmmm. In one family that kind of thing would be innocent fun, in another a covert attempt at putting someone down.

Also, I think the full name on the photo page was not the caption, but because Kyron had his own FB page. When you "tag" someone in a photo, it shows their full name as it shows on their page. Other kids' pics, either they didn't have a page, or she didn't choose to or didn't have permission to tag them. I'm not saying there isn't anything hinky about the photos, but some of what you mentioned can be explained.

And yes mods, if discussing the contents of FB are off limits, let me know. All just my own opinion.
 
I haven't read through all the theories on this thread (yet). But something just occurred to me.

What if, a while ago, Terri was considering hiring a hitman on Kaine; went so far as to contact one, get a price, but then she changed her mind. Tried to call it off, didn't pay, told the LG to go away, never mind. The LG says well shoot, I'm supposed to be paid X dollars, I want that money. I'll just take the kid. Kidnaps Kyron, shows up June 28 yelling about getting his money from Terri and this is the first 911 (man shouting threats in the driveway) call. Then, Kaine asks what's going on, Terri says "well, you know back in December when we weren't getting along? I was going to hire someone to kill you. Changed my mind." Kaine grabs baby and goes, thus the second 911 (custody) call.

The restraining order is filed, the cops are involved, divorce is filed...but the LG (or someone he knows) has Kyron, either alive or not, and won't give Kyron back now for anything...he's made the mistake of kidnapping Kyron to get the money Terri promised him originally, but is now in too deep...and can't get out.

I have to say, there's something really off about everything in this entire case. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the above is what happened (or close to it), and the psychopath is not Terri, but the assassin she started to hire back when she was gonna have Kaine killed.

I don't know if I believe Terri is the perp...I just don't know.

Just wanted to throw this out there...it doesn't account for everything, but it does account for some of the odder aspects of the situation.

best-
Herding Cats
 
I have been toying with a "two crimes" theory.

Crime 1: TH was trying to kill her husband, and had been for quite awhile. Also had a lover.

Crime 2: Sexual predator got, and took the opportunity to abduct Kyron in the school.

It could explain why nothing TH did or said for that day added up, and would explain deceptiveness on LDT's. She could have been going to see her lover that day, leaving Kyron in a hurry, and possibly a brief and vunerable position. She may not have done well on the LDT's because she had been trying to kill her husband.

Sexual predator got positioned well and took the chance. Got further help because by sheer coincidence, the family of the child abucted had all these very many distracting issues and a coincidental, ongoing parallel crime to boot. Predator long gone, TH left in one hell of a pickle.

Sadly, not many theories end well for Kyron :(
 
I have been toying with a "two crimes" theory.

Crime 1: TH was trying to kill her husband, and had been for quite awhile. Also had a lover.

Crime 2: Sexual predator got, and took the opportunity to abduct Kyron in the school.

It could explain why nothing TH did or said for that day added up, and would explain deceptiveness on LDT's. She could have been going to see her lover that day, leaving Kyron in a hurry, and possibly a brief and vunerable position. She may not have done well on the LDT's because she had been trying to kill her husband.

Sexual predator got positioned well and took the chance. Got further help because by sheer coincidence, the family of the child abucted had all these very many distracting issues and a coincidental, ongoing parallel crime to boot. Predator long gone, TH left in one hell of a pickle.

Sadly, not many theories end well for Kyron :(

Thanks button not enough. Very succinct!
 
My theory assumes that once the plot to be rid of hubby via murder by a hired landscaper/hitman wasn’t feasible it became obvious that “if you want a job done well, do it yourself” and the plan to be rid of a suspected cheating husband and his son was formed.

Motive: to have the lifestyle of her choosing with her own son, her baby daughter, home all to herself and an insurance payout to provide the income.

Plan: to murder hubby herself but make it appear as a suicide so that she would not be a suspect.

Problem: hubby has no obvious reason to commit suicide
Solution: murdering hubby’s son not only provides a rationale for hubby’s soon-to-occur “suicide” but removes the unwanted child from her future.

She takes boy to school but leaves with him shortly afterwards and disposes of him. She assumes he will become one of America’s (permanently) missing children. Days, weeks, or months later her husband is found as an apparent (but impossible to confirm) suicide victim.

This also explains how the poor woman could experience two deaths of family members in a very short time without casting any suspicion on herself. No accomplice and no one to rat her out. The perfect murders?
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exactly my theory as well. I think she wanted the home and possible insurance pay off, without Kaine and Kyron in the pic. I am totally with you one the Kaine/suicide theory as well.
 
Mimi's post on DOTS being a hidden message has me thinking. Maybe the reason DY and TY keep saying TH is not cooperating is also code, to let a kidnapper know TH has not talked? (About what, I have no clues-I am sure some theories could be worked up-someone who wants revenge on her for something, an old lover...something..). We have wondered at some of the other phrases sounding like code: ie allergic to bee's, running finger through 'short' hair, can't see without glasses, etc....) Not sure where or how this fits, but I have felt all along TH is being used as a 'fall guy', maybe to let the real perp feel relaxed, make a mistake or find a way of returning Kyron...
 
I don't have a real theory, but it's interesting reading all these theories here.
When Tony says that he is not privy to any more information, by being LE, than anyone else... I don't buy it entirely. Detectives have access to more information databases than the general public, and LE takes care of its own. It is normal for LE to keep the family informed up to a point, but I would bet he knows more than they generally tell the family, just because he is a detective himself. And how could he resist not doing a little detective work on his own? It's almost second nature to most of them.
I just sincerely hope that LE is not focusing entirely on Terri, and ignoring other possibilities, simply because of "bad blood" between her and the mom, or her and Kaine, or whoever. Sometimes things are not as simple as they appear to be. If I were LE, I think I would be looking pretty hard at the landscape guy about now. I just have a strong feeling that there is more to that than we have heard so far.
 
I wonder if the landscaper (or some other person TH might have approached about killing Kaine) was bribing TH to pay say, $10,000, or else they would go to the police. Maybe TH didn't have $10,000 so she and the landscaper (or whoever) concocted a scheme to "kidnap" Kyron and perhaps raise $10,000 through donations to a reward fund, and then the landscaper would be paid and Kyron would be released. If so, something must have gone awry.

imo, just a "what if" theory.

I am so hoping that Kyron will be found safe. Kyron is on my mind all the time, he just has such a sweet look about him. I can't stand the idea of him being scared or hurt.
 
Mimi's post on DOTS being a hidden message has me thinking. Maybe the reason DY and TY keep saying TH is not cooperating is also code, to let a kidnapper know TH has not talked? (About what, I have no clues-I am sure some theories could be worked up-someone who wants revenge on her for something, an old lover...something..). We have wondered at some of the other phrases sounding like code: ie allergic to bee's, running finger through 'short' hair, can't see without glasses, etc....) Not sure where or how this fits, but I have felt all along TH is being used as a 'fall guy', maybe to let the real perp feel relaxed, make a mistake or find a way of returning Kyron...

Yes. This is one of my theories as well.

1)If we look at the statements as code, I can see DY's statements as a shout to the perp that TH hasn't talked and the perp hasn't been found out yet. So its safe to bring Kyron home.

OR

2) Maybe the statements are to make TH negotiate with the perp, but she won't because she doesn't want to take responsibility for any of this mess she may or may not have created.
 
We're missing too many dots.

I've been "wondering" why TH is soooooo silent.

Could Houze and LE be working to reach a "deal" that allows TH to talk with some kind of protection? We have not heard one word from this high-powered, media-conscious attorney.
 
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