POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

[ella971]

If I had a nickel for every guy who said ""I was happy'''' when his wife announces she wasn't -- I'd be sooooo rich. I think he was on guy planet and was happy that things were ''managed'' at home for the most part.

I agree with you. Some men are basic and need nothing other than food,clean clothes and child care.

 

[grayjay]

It seems to me that if TH took him someone would have surely seen it.

It seems to me that if TH didn't take him, she's been under so much pressure, she'd be squeaking, squawking and begging for help in finding him. Surely she'd be giving up the silence just like Kaine did by now.

:twocents:

 

[Calliope]

I agree with you. Some men are basic and need nothing other than food,clean clothes and child care.

To be fair, some women are like that too.

Heck, I'M like that now. If (God forbid) I were ever to get married again, my primary motivation would be to have someone around who would mow the yard and kill bugs.

 

[tehcloser]

To be fair, some women are like that too.

Heck, I'M like that now. If (God forbid) I were ever to get married again, my primary motivation would be to have someone around who would mow the yard and kill bugs.

Well, I know of this yard guy.........but he may be a little busy right now. :dance:

 

[ella971]

To be fair, some women are like that too.

Heck, I'M like that now. If (God forbid) I were ever to get married again, my primary motivation would be to have someone around who would mow the yard and kill bugs.[/QUOTE
Yes! I know alot of them. I'm good being alone mowing and taking care of my own home.Alot of my friends stay married for the check. I call them CHICKEN!!

 

[matou]

I think James Pitkin may be dropping a hint that something is imminent. He uses "Arrested Development" as the title of his new editorial on the case. Hmmmm. I know the article is about something else, but he's a pretty sly guy. JMO

http://wweek.com/editorial/3636/14268/

 

[human]

I can't connect the dots because I only have half of them. For every action there is a reaction.

In my opinion, something stinks, big time in this case.

Edited to add: I'm taking time off from this case because this one-sided, persecute Terri crap is more than I can deal with. I don't know her guilt or innocence, but from what I'm seeing, it takes two or more to tango.

My opinion only

It may and it may not.

So all the people who married abusers are at fault? All the people who married pathological liars are at fault?

I am not saying that Terri is an abuser. I am just saying that , for example, the person who married that BRK killer, or whatever the letters are, is at fault, for example?

 

[cypress]

What bothers me about this case is that for weeks LE, Desiree, and Kaine have been hedging their bets and tightening the noose around Terri in the hope that she will break. Maybe Terri has issues with sex and it functions as a coping mechanism for her, and she did break, and this is the way she broke? I'm NOT defending Terri, but I think there is so much more going on here that we don't know about. Also, it bothers me to some extent that the sexting and everything that goes along with it, was immediately used to validate the murder for hire story, insofar as it seems to me that validation of LE's suspicions was/is the primary goal. Validating LE's suspicions shouldn't be the primary goal. Finding Kyron is the primary goal. We can argue all the live long day about the sting operation, but IMHO, it was sloppy at best, and I think LE was embarrassed about it. Validating their suspicions via this sexting fiasco takes the focus off their failure and puts it onto another of Terri's skeletons, and in that way it behooves LE to make a connection between the alleged murder for hire plot and the sexting fiasco.

I understand that we're not allowed to sleuth Kaine Horman, but what if there are answers in his past or present actions? There are legitimate questions surrounding his character as well, that may have nothing to do with Kyron missing but that may have everything to do with Kyron missing.

Terri may well be a pathological liar or a sociopath or may eventually be diagnosed with some other mental illness, but for 40 years she's lived a rather unremarkable life, a life that was, in fact, rather ordinary. More than one person has spoken out about her devotion as a mother. Maybe it was all a sham, but maybe she was a decent mother. All I know is that we're being given the dots that say Terri did this, and her life has been presented to the media like a bloody sacrifice, and none of it has brought Kyron home.

It makes me question whether or not we have the right dots.

 

[Chewy]

I too have felt uncomfortable about the way the LE immediately focused on TH. However some common sense is needed here.

I don't agree with all the speculation about the state of their marriage, the PPD, the sexting and the gym and facebook pages. I don't agree with body language attacks questioning her. All this arm chair detective work is based on accusation and gossip, and most importantly not knowing what's going on.

For all we know Terri could have accidentally forwarded pix of herself to people at the worst time possible.

What we do know is two things. One is that Kyron is missing. Two is that she lied or withheld the truth about a few things. If this is the case we have to ask ourselves why. If there was any possibility of Kyron being found alive, no matter how bad it would look I would think a normal human being would offer whatever information they had possible. If it meant busting herself on the MFH issue, or anything like that she'd do it to save Kyron's life. If this was just an unexpected abduction she would be caught off guard.

So her not cooperating fully leads me to believe that she knows Kyron is dead.
The fact that his body has not been found leads me to believe that this plan was set up for a long time.
Her carefully constructed alibi, her emailing the school etc, doctors appointment, photos in front of the science fair, all lead me to believe that she was covering herself.

It's sadly obvious this was a premeditated murder. Motive? I have no clue. I don't care to speculate. However logic shows what it does. MOO

 

[Boo Scout]

Will try to articulate as succinctly as possible, recognizing that these are the beginnings of "working" theories...I don't know how many dots they actually connect :blushing:

Premise: TH has gotten herself into some kind of desperate situation - let's go back a year or so but that's negotiable. She's holding it together somewhat on the outside but on the inside is falling further and further apart b/c of something she's involved in - drugs, gambling, sexual deviance, etc.? As a result of this she owes someone money, and she is stringing them along somehow. She's keeping up a facade, but she's trying desperately to find a solution. She comes up with MFH on KH, thinking she'll end up with his assets, but that doesn't work out. She moves on.

#1 - TH hatches a plan to sell Kyron. She's desperate and that coupled with some emotional/mental issues is leading her to rationalize this away, thinking she can get away with it and make her problems go away. She finds someone involved in human trafficking, perhaps she has these contacts b/c of what she's messed up in, and she sells him to make her debt go away. Kyron could be alive but in serious danger and sad, sad circumstances.

#2 - TH hatches a plan with whomever she owes money to. They will hold Kyron and she will figure out some kind of ransom plan to get money from KH to get Kyron back. There's some kind of handoff. But afterwards, things go incredibly wrong somehow and now she has no idea what's happened to Kyron, but she knows she is in this up to her eyeballs and shuts up.

Or, other premise: At some point in the past several months there was an event that precipitated this. Something happened with TH and this person or family, and it was bad (working on ideas - she certainly has not shown good judgment based on the current news so there are some things that could fit here). They want to hit TH where it hurts and don't care about hurting others.

#3 - b/c of said event above, someone known to TH takes Kyron. They move on Kyron and not Baby K b/c of opportunity. This person is in the community - not a stranger abduction - but it is personal to TH. TH is not responsible but she's aware that someone out there has a vendetta against her. She's not talking b/c she's scared on so many levels and has kicked into the ultimate self-protective mode.

Ok - these are my thoughts. Feel free to shoot down - probably pretty wild. On day 1 (June 5 for me, since I first followed) I had intuition that TH did this, but then I had strong feelings that TH didn't do this but is still somehow responsible based on her behavior. Hope that makes sense.

 

[cannellio]

This is what I have been thinking all along. TH figured out KH was thinking of divorce. So she decided to set herself up with either a negligence lawsuit against the school, or ransom against KH. LE has been stating its an isolated incident from the start. I do think her accomplice/lover sent kyron's glasses and possibly a note early on. I think the initial plan was to release Kyron safe. She hands him off to accomplice around SI. However, the whole thing has spun out of control and now they are both in way over their heads. She can't contact perp because she is followed and bugged. I Fear Kyron became too much of a liability and perp has fled.

 

[pghbrandi]

This is what I have been thinking all along. TH figured out KH was thinking of divorce. So she decided to set herself up with either a negligence lawsuit against the school, or ransom against KH. LE has been stating its an isolated incident from the start. I do think her accomplice/lover sent kyron's glasses and possibly a note early on. I think the initial plan was to release Kyron safe. She hands him off to accomplice around SI. However, the whole thing has spun out of control and now they are both in way over their heads. She can't contact perp because she is followed and bugged. I Fear Kyron became too much of a liability and perp has fled.

BBM
Just thinking about that makes me so sad for Kyron. He is so innocent and he needs those glasses. That is just so cruel.
Welcome to WS cannellio!

 

[cluciano63]

I honestly do not believe they have his glasses. Why searching in rivers, etc. if that is the case?

Not sure if it is true, but I heard that LE is again searching out on SI today.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am so baffled by this, but I posted this earlier and wonder if anyone has said this before, here goes, does anyone think that maybe the substitute or teacher that said Kyron went to the the restroom or went to get a drink was correct? Maybe he went into a restroom and someone held him there until everyone was back in class after the bell rang and then left with him? Something is so strange about this. It seems to me that if TH took him someone would have surely seen it.

That is the point that keeps me from totally believing TMH did it.

Unfortunately, Kyron's deskmate is at an age where he could be mistaken or he could be the star witness. Sometimes kids do confabulate without any conscious intention to deceive. But sometimes kids see and remember stuff with amazing accuracy.

And kids that age are still developing so fast. They change a little bit almost every day, it seems like.

 

[21merc7]

That is the point that keeps me from totally believing TMH did it.

Unfortunately, Kyron's deskmate is at an age where he could be mistaken or he could be the star witness. Sometimes kids do confabulate without any conscious intention to deceive. But sometimes kids see and remember stuff with amazing accuracy.

And kids that age are still developing so fast. They change a little bit almost every day, it seems like.

The only connecting dots I see so far are not about TH.

Guess we need to see some kind of evidence to get to that point.

 

[mtnone]

Ok, for today, how about we go someplace a little less visited?

All from my weird thoughts, not facts. About real people, I will use no names.


Terri, she of the possibly roving eye, has a fling or something more serious with a neighbor and fellow parent of student.

That person passes away in the fall of 2009 in an unfortunate accident. This is what causes the problematic, but holding it together until then Terri to go over the mental cliff. That and the marriage having been shaky since the birth of her daughter. Maybe talk of divorce even. She has no money, little work experience, and a record now. Prospects are not good.

So, she tries to hire the LS man to kill Kaine. Doesn't happen for whatever reason.

She conspires with a, I will give two choices here. A. a neighbor, or family member of a neighbor that has a son that goes to school with Kyron. B. With a family member, maybe an older son or something, of the man that passed away.

Either of these people wouldn't have been out of place at the school at all. They both would have very likely known Kyron. Both are men. Terri seems to like men.

The plan is to disappear Kyron from the school, in whatever manner. The ultimate plan is to sue the school for neglect.

That would get her possible money and revenge at the school where she might have loved to been employed. It would give the event that pushed her over the edge, an accomplice and she might not know where Kyron is for real. It could serve to punish Kaine for her own reasons.

But, based on recent events, she doesn't seem to be bright enough to not use her phone or emails. So, maybe this has no chance because the LE would have seen the trail easily.

Also, if they are really searching the school and very near area, that pushes me away from Terri as the perp rather than towards her.

Food for though, nothing more.

 

[Chewy]

I was thinking about a motive and I thought of one that is pretty bad. I can't really post it here because it involves accusations of a minor. So I will hope that people can read between the lines.

What if Kyron's body itself was evidence of sexual assault. We would need to ask ourselves who TH would be willing to protect at this extent. It also could explain why DY stated Kyron was crying about going home. What if Kyron started to talk and TH figured out what was going on and realized if it came to light that someone she cared about would be going to prison or have his life ruined. So perhaps this person was removed from the situation while she figured out what to do with Kyron. Getting rid of Kyron would be getting rid of the evidence.

MY OPINION ONLY>

 

[captivagrl]

Just wondering if anyone has heard about cyber-cafes or local libraries being checked out? I know it's been mentioned that TH is a fan of CSI type programs. I don't imagine she would research ways to murder (or have someone else commit murder) from her home computer. Of course the clue could be in one of the episodes of CSI, L&O, etc.

 

[captivagrl]

This may seam way out there, but has anyone else considered that she has a female lover? If you saw another woman at the science fair she would blend in (more than an unknown man IMO). Maybe Kyron knew her as TH's friend and he would go with her.
This would explain the over-sexting with this man she barely knows. She's keeping things outwardly heterosexual. What if it's a woman?

 

[akashana]

Will try to articulate as succinctly as possible, recognizing that these are the beginnings of "working" theories...I don't know how many dots they actually connect :blushing:

Premise: TH has gotten herself into some kind of desperate situation - let's go back a year or so but that's negotiable. She's holding it together somewhat on the outside but on the inside is falling further and further apart b/c of something she's involved in - drugs, gambling, sexual deviance, etc.? As a result of this she owes someone money, and she is stringing them along somehow. She's keeping up a facade, but she's trying desperately to find a solution. She comes up with MFH on KH, thinking she'll end up with his assets, but that doesn't work out. She moves on.

#1 - TH hatches a plan to sell Kyron. She's desperate and that coupled with some emotional/mental issues is leading her to rationalize this away, thinking she can get away with it and make her problems go away. She finds someone involved in human trafficking, perhaps she has these contacts b/c of what she's messed up in, and she sells him to make her debt go away. Kyron could be alive but in serious danger and sad, sad circumstances.

#2 - TH hatches a plan with whomever she owes money to. They will hold Kyron and she will figure out some kind of ransom plan to get money from KH to get Kyron back. There's some kind of handoff. But afterwards, things go incredibly wrong somehow and now she has no idea what's happened to Kyron, but she knows she is in this up to her eyeballs and shuts up.

Or, other premise: At some point in the past several months there was an event that precipitated this. Something happened with TH and this person or family, and it was bad (working on ideas - she certainly has not shown good judgment based on the current news so there are some things that could fit here). They want to hit TH where it hurts and don't care about hurting others.

#3 - b/c of said event above, someone known to TH takes Kyron. They move on Kyron and not Baby K b/c of opportunity. This person is in the community - not a stranger abduction - but it is personal to TH. TH is not responsible but she's aware that someone out there has a vendetta against her. She's not talking b/c she's scared on so many levels and has kicked into the ultimate self-protective mode.

Ok - these are my thoughts. Feel free to shoot down - probably pretty wild. On day 1 (June 5 for me, since I first followed) I had intuition that TH did this, but then I had strong feelings that TH didn't do this but is still somehow responsible based on her behavior. Hope that makes sense.

I find your theories plausible with one exception - the hand him off to another party for a later ransom scenario. I don't see how it would be possible to return a live Kyron unless his memory of the entire involuntary separation was somehow wiped clear. At 7, Kyron is clearly able to describe the events that led up to his disappearance, and under the circumstances, would certainly implicate TH at some pivotal point.