POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

What is your theory in Kyron's disappearance?

  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was unplanned, an accident.

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Terri alone is responsible for Kyron's disappearance and it was planned.

    Votes: 43 15.8%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was unplanned and DeDe was called for help

    Votes: 38 13.9%
  • Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, it was planned and DeDe helped plan it.

    Votes: 108 39.6%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron. (Stranger being ANYONE except Terri, DeDe or accomplice.)

    Votes: 20 7.3%
  • Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around the school grounds

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • A stranger abducted Kyron or Kyron is still at the school or somewhere around school grounds.

    Votes: 12 4.4%
  • No idea

    Votes: 47 17.2%

  • Total voters
    273
  • Poll closed .
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Here is one of my issues; everyone needs it to be Terri; the school district does, the Chamber of Commerce does, LE does (now) and the parents do. Because it is far far worse if it is not Terri. Much more convenient if it is.

Respectfully I think that is unfair; as the pressure is on when a child is missing regardless. This hits the kids, parents, teachers hard of course, but I acknowledge this is a unique situation in that Kyron went missing from the school. It also hit LE (MO) most of all hard everyday as they are working this case 24/7. This is also a national case, I don't think anyone regardless who the perp may be...will be a railroad situation and I would bet the people tirelessly pursuing this case would be insulted to put it point blank as they are following the evidence for a court case as the pressers have said over and over. JMO.

If Terrie is eventually arrested, she will be granted her full rights & has a wonderful attorney. I have no worries her rights, etc. are in jepordity at all & I mean that with sincerity.
 
Great job by so many members - thank you for your thoughtfulness and hard work. I wonder if LE reads these posts to help them in not over-looking anything! I think LE is probably doing a tremendous job - and if we knew all of what they have gone through, we'd probably say "well done." I believe the new flyers and requests for public help indicates a "ruling out" process (possibilities/suspects/unaccounted for parked cars) as well as "ruling in" the accuracy of the facts they have gathered.

Here's my theory - piggybacking on several theories already presented - with the aim of accurately matching a scenario to the facts as we know them. Unfortunately, I also have a sad ending to my theory that I have not seen here yet, and I wanted to float it by you all....When/if beautiful little Kyron is found...will there be "faked forensics" that could have implicated Kaine as the culprit if LE had not already known about TH's MFH. In other words, was the plan to "get rid of Kyron" and have LE think Kaine did it - so he goes off to prison leaving TH to have her kids and benefit from any financial lawsuits - as well as all the publicity surrounding this tragedy (not to mention book deals!)? I found it curious -- and keep going back in my mind -- to the white pick-up that was seen by residents on an isolated wooded dead-end end (I believe it was Cornelius Pass Rd) by multiple observers at 3pm Friday and again at 2:30am Saturday morning. Was this a decoy second white truck that was driven specifically at those times in order to implicate Kaine? (Remember, he came home at 2:30p - but that was considered earlier than his typical ETA home on his regular work schedule.) Having put that out there for our wonderful sleuths - here is my theory: (and a big thank you to Steadfast for the excellent visual timeline! It really helped!)

Firstly, you have to understand, if there is a credible MFH plan (and it has not been discounted) - we are talking about a sociopath. I don't care how she presents - underneath the image we have a sociopath. Interestingly, Kaine never knew about the landscaper (MFH guy) - nor that TH was "that close" to DDS. We have to consider that a sociopath often has a secret life -- it's what excites them. (I know it's hard to think about that beautiful child-- and the other children involved, being parented by a sociopath - but believe me, it happens more than you'd want to know. To solve this, you have to think like a criminal.)

- TH arrived early (8:15-ish?) to elementary school with Kyron. She drives Kaine's truck supposedly to bring home the science project later, but as many have pointed out - she never did that at the end of the day - in reality she needed the truck to drive off-road through rough terrain later. She parks in south lot. DDS parks next to/near her. Perhaps DDS gets into the truck and they confer. DDS returns to her blue Explorer, remains there until a designated time while TH and Kyron go inside.
- I believe Hollye did a phenomonal job outlining possible scanrios inside the school (complete with layout!). Well done! SOunds solid to me....TH takes the photo - is seen leaving without Kyron by key people.
- BeanE did an amazing job figuring out the truck movements in front of the school (DDS moving the truck up so Kyron can see it and head out the south door - where he was last seen inside the school). Perhaps it went down this way, because the groundskeeper had unexpectedly shown up -- and parked in their designated spot on the access road. They could have seen him there first thing when they pulled in, so the plan is slightly altered, DDS hopped into TH's truck to discuss what to do. DDS moves the white truck into place on the access road (at 8:45) as soon as groundskeeper leaves. (Groundskeeper could have messed up their whole plan if he hung around longer!)
- DDS remains in her blue Explorer parked in south lot -- to keep watch that TH and Kyron get out without beeing seen. Think about it - TH needed someone to "watch from behind" to make certain no parent/teacher spotted them at the access road, and TH didn't know about it. That would have blown everything. She needed a lookout parked in the school parking lot (where the action was) who could scope that out.
- Kyron believes he is going to the doc -- he is given "medication" that knocks him out. Many members have already talked about how easy it is to knock out a child with regular prescription meds (sadly). DDS heads in her blue explorer for her job site 5 mins. away and checks in at 9am - TH goes to FM and gets her alibi. She parks far enough away so it would be hard to see Kyron in back seat (and her windows are tinted back there).
- Shelbar53 nailed it, I believe, suggesting that nothing really started until after 10am - after KH was sure the Kyron's absence didn't trigger a notification to DY or KH. As soon as that was solid, TH picked up DDS at her job site (DDS's car remained behind so folks would think she was actually at work, as suggested by so many members). They head to a pre-determined site (Cornelius Pass area??) where whatever happened to that beautiful child occurs... from after 10am to 11:30am. (The baby is in her carseat - possibly lightly drugged with a regular med, so she sleeps but doesn't witness. I think this is possible, bec. she is saying the baby is ill, which would explain her "drowsiness" later to Kaine.)
- Shelbar53 is genius for suggesting that DDS drops TH off at the gym - then drives around cleaning the car, etc. As a look alike - if anyone caught the car out there, they would assume the red-head is TH. The car wash scenario is something I never thought about - until Shelbar53 mentioned it - way to go!
- TH is picked up by DDS - they drive to DDS job site around 1pm (when her co-workers said she appeared there)...and TH goes home, etc. Kaine returns home 2:30p - which again, was earlier than usual - and he is able to go to the bus stop for his son with TH.
- It's important to remember that there were multiple reasons for TH to return to the school at the later part of the day -- but she didn't... 1) the talent show that she knew about -- but apparently DY and KH were not informed 2) to pick up the science project - (probably the other projects went home that day)... 3) just to pick up Kyron so he wouldn't have to take the bus home.

I don't know where the Starbucks fits in -- interestingly, TH omitted it in her e-mail when she was accounting for her schedule - although she reported out evereything else in specific detail. This Starbucks is probably very significant!

The cells - members already gave great explanations of how they fit in - for secret communication between DDS and TH.

IMO I think Kyron's "seizures" were 1) to throw out another red herring for the police (could Kyron have had a seizure and wandered off) and 2) if Kyron is never found, lead people to believing he just wandered off, 3)give a reason for scheduling a doc apt as the ruse for getting Kyron away from school. C'mon -- Kyron's parents had not heard he was having these alarming spells?!

I also think her speaking so negatively about Kaine - making him sound unstable to others -- could have been part of the set-up to make people wonder if Kaine could have hurt his own son.

There it is - what do you think??

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Excellent post and I agree with your theory! It's very close to what I was going to post as my theory.

I think TH did plan Kyron's disappearance, and I think DD helped with that plan.

There are certain things I've kept in the back of my mind that goes to character. If the MFH is true; if the sexting the landscaper is true; if the sexting MC is true, especially during the immediate aftermath of learning her stepson is missing; if it's true that TH lies a lot; this paints a picture of a very amoral person. A person who believes murder is acceptable to achieve personal goals. If all this is true, I think TH is capable of carrying out a plan to make Kyron disappear.
 
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Excellent post and I agree with your theory! It's very close to what I was going to post as my theory.

I think TH did plan Kyron's disappearance, and I think DD helped with that plan.

There are certain things I've kept in the back of my mind that goes to character. If the MFH is true; if the sexting the landscaper is true; if the sexting MC is true, especially during the immediate aftermath of learning her stepson is missing; if it's true that TH lies a lot; this paints a picture of a very amoral person. A person who believes murder is acceptable to achieve personal goals. If all this is true, I think TH is capable of carrying out a plan to make Kyron disappear.

yes. A person who could do MFH certainly is capable of anything.
 
If this was a planned event and Terri did do something with Kyron, how could she have been so LUCKY to have had everything fall into place so perfectly?

The groundskeeper at the school doesn't see her, her truck or anything (assuming she was parked in front of the school and/or on the side road).

No one sees Kyron or her leave the school. (well, so far we don't now for sure if anyone saw her leave)

She runs into someone she knows at the Fred Meyers who can prove she was there.

No one sees DDS coming or going.

However, she is still left with that thorny "trying to get <Baby K> to sleep in the truck for a few minutes". An hour and a half is no "few minutes".

I think it's likely that not everything fell into place as planned. For LE to be investigating this case with TH as the primary focus, obviously something TH did or didn't do alerted LE.
 
I was asked to combine some posts and repost this theory from another thread here to the theory thread for discussion.

I'm just rethinking some things since the Dede flyer & the requests for more information about Kaine's white truck and people associated with the truck at the school that day.

A current theory of mine (following the week of the Dede police Flyer) is that LE believes another (3rd) person (other than Terri & Dede) is involved in the disappearance of Kyron.

(Unfortunately, LE&#8217;s timing was poor in asking for help about identifying this 3rd person. By the time LE held it&#8217;s presser to ask for community help, everyone was distracted/focused on the Dede Flyer.)

The Dede flyer was meant for a specific residential neighborhood. Dede flyer was not intended to be subject of presser. The Dede flyer is not distributed to the Skyline community (as was the Terri flyer). Separately, and from specific area residents, they are canvassing for witnesses to Dede & Terri & the white truck being seen near Dede's place of work June 4th. Note there are no questions on the flyer about Dede&#8217;s vehicle. The flyer is intended to develop evidence to support the portion of the timeline that Dede is providing to LE.

The 3rd person is the perp/kidnapper/abductor. This person was at the school and/or Fred Meyer. LE is trying to identify this person, appealed to the public & Skyline School community for help.

Terri could possibly identify him (i.e., assuming she hired him) but she won't because he's a killer. Or, perhaps she can&#8217;t identify him because there was a go-between she used to set it up. (Or perhaps she didn&#8217;t hire anyone and Kyron&#8217;s disappearance is a stranger abduction. But, for purposes of this theory &#8211; Terri hired him.)

I think Terri had planned something to do at approximately 10 AM after establishing FM alibis. The dilly-dallying at FM until approximately 10 &#8230; why? Because she had to do something until 10 in public. What did she plan to do at 10? Good question&#8230;hang on&#8230;

The refusal by LE to accept the next section of her timeline - her toddler-soothing driving alibi (which I feel was actually a reasonable alibi...) makes me think LE knew this is NOT what Terri did between 10 and the gym. She wasn't driving the baby. They&#8217;re sure of it. Why? What was she doing instead? Good question. Hang on some more.

I think Terri arranged, somewhat last minute, for Dede to do her the favor of watching the baby between 10 and the gym time. For about an hour and a half. Terri picked Dede up from her landscaping location (close to Terri's own home) brought Dede & baby to Terri's house, Dede babysat, Terri ran out and about, then Terri returned before going to the gym to bring Dede back to work. Whatever Terri was doing was a secret of some sort, a secret Dede was willing to honor. Terri traveled in the White Truck to go where she needed to go. Dede believed she knew where Terri was going. For example purposes we might guess that the "secret" might = an affair. Or it might be something else.

Why would Dede help out with that? Ask Dede. Perhaps she&#8217;d done it before, as Terri&#8217;s understanding friend. The important thing is, Dede believed she knew what Terri was up to that hour and was willing to babysit. Later, Dede was the one friend that was certain Terri wasn&#8217;t with Kyron during that time &#8211; because Dede knew Terri&#8217;s secret. This is why Dede could be sure she was doing the right thing standing by Terri for so long.

IMO, LE knows what Terri was doing before her gym time, or they know what she wasn't doing. She wasn't driving the baby because the baby was with Dede.

Anyway, it's just a theory. Any theory here is hard to think about...

One struggle I had in this theory was integrating a motive for Dede to be helpful to Terri such that Dede&#8217;s timeline is now so key to the investigation. I think this theory is one way to solve it reasonably, without creating Dede into some kind of monster, without ascribing motives to Dede that make no sense.

I could find no:

1) motive for Dede to help Terri kill Kyron and keep it a secret (other than accident - and why keep that a secret?) - unless these two accidentally killed Kyron in some horrifying child molestation situation &#8211; which, to me, is silly fringe theory.

or

2) motive for Dede to help Terri disappear Kyron and keep the silence for ever under all this LE pressure &#8211; unless they were determined to start a new life together with Terri's master plan to off Kaine & his son, take the money and run away together ..and that's again, a crazy stretch on many levels...

So...what would motivate a relatively normal friend and under what circumstances would Dede help Terri last-minute like and feel she should keep Terri's confidence about it from LE even?

I am left with the universal answer - Dede would do it for Love - for helping Terri with a new love - that was the one motive that worked for me - to explain Dede's response.

This theory has not addressed the 3rd person abductor/perp and the where&#8217;s Kyron issue other than to acknowledge that LE seems to be looking for this 3rd person.

This theory has also not addressed Terri meeting this 3rd person in that hour time frame, because if she&#8217;s arranged MFH or kidnapping of Kyron by this person, she does not need to be involved that day in anything other than acting stunned through the aftermath. However, it also leaves room for Terri to meet the MFH/kidnapper person too&#8230;
 
Thanks for all your hard work on this theory Emma. :heart: Certainly worth discussing and batting around ideas.

The question that kept coming up for me was: Where was Kyron during the drive while picking up Dede? There is no trunk in the white truck. Why couldn't Terri keep baby girl if just handing Kyron off to a 3rd person? just a few of my never ending questions! lol

Why Dede would do such a favor: I have to think about that. Perhaps she is a very unsuspecting victim in all this.

Since I have no evidence Terri is guilty, I am going to think about your, very well thought out theory, and go get myself some sleep. Thanks for the effort. :bedtime:
 
It was not an option, so I did not vote but a likely scenario for me at this point is that is was planned by TH and she is responsible, but that DS aided/abetted her in some fashion, possibly after the fact (not necessarily involved in the planning). But, I don't know for sure. Need more info.
 
Thanks for all your hard work on this theory Emma. :heart: Certainly worth discussing and batting around ideas.

The question that kept coming up for me was: Where was Kyron during the drive while picking up Dede? There is no trunk in the white truck. Why couldn't Terri keep baby girl if just handing Kyron off to a 3rd person? just a few of my never ending questions! lol

Why Dede would do such a favor: I have to think about that. Perhaps she is a very unsuspecting victim in all this.

Since I have no evidence Terri is guilty, I am going to think about your, very well thought out theory, and go get myself some sleep. Thanks for the effort. :bedtime:

Such good questions - very helpful.

Theory has Kyron handed off at school or at Fred Meyer's - by the time Terri leaves 2nd Fred Meyer to swing by and get Dede.

Why did Terri want Dede to babysit that time frame? Why not bring baby with her? Another good question. I think she may have told Dede one thing, but did another. She did something she didn't want to bring the fussy baby.

It may have had something to do with Kyron. It may have just been something selfish. She may have just needed to calm down.
 
Good theory, Emma.

A MFH in which the perp takes Kyron from the school works better for me that Terri getting Kyron from the school. A MFH perp would have less hesitation about killing Kyron or rendering him unconscious in the school, which opens up more possibilities for getting him out of the school without notice.

(Unfortunately, perhaps, another thread seems to have a majority who believe it would be harder for a non-Terri to get Kyron out of the school. And yet another thread has some opinions that Kyron being killed or rendered unconscious in the school is quite unlikely. I mention these because the opinions on both these are so strong, you may want to look at them to see if you still think a MFH at the school would work.)

A MFH perp taking Kyron at the FMs doesn't work for me, because of my belief that Terri would not have risked that day being seen with Kyron leaving the school, and the difficulties in her getting him out of the school otherwise.

With Dede babysitting, I can think of a scenario where that works for me. I needed to come up with a reason for her not to take the baby with her. It would be a meeting with the MFH, for the purpose of verifying that the deed had been done, in order to make a final payment for the deed. Since verifying the deed had been done would involve viewing Kyron's body, I think Terri would not want the baby there.

If that's not the reason for needing a babysitter, I can't think of what the reason would be. Simply paying the MFH person, without seeing Kyron's body, there may be a slim chance maybe that Terri wouldn't want the MFH person anywhere near her baby. I dunno. I can't think of any other reason for a babysitter at that time, under those circumstances, that would work for me.

So, as you can see, I can get all the logistics for your theory to work for me. They're not extreme, they don't require extraordinary machinations, they don't at the other end ignore important risks etc. So, the logistics are a go for me.

But... would Terri use a MFH plot to get Kyron out of her/Kaine's life? I don't know. I'm very iffy on that. It's extreme, unsual. I need to chew on it some more.

This is by far the most workable theory I've seen for a Terri-is-responsible premise. Thanks for putting it together and posting it. I may be able to get off the fence with this one!

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I was just doing some research online after having a run in over the weekend with a rumored meth user in my family. The behavior was unprovoked, sudden, and very volatile towards me and completely out of character. What I found online is that housewives who want to lose weight are among the top two abusers of meth. I'm not accusing anyone of doing drugs, but wonder if increasing meth use, then tweaking could explain someone of behaving overly emotional and "not overly violent" for a period of months escalating over a period of two months. Depression can also be involved. The slightly more talkative behavior noted and hyper sexuality is another symptom. I really hope there is nothing like that involved with a sudden rage towards a child, because what I experienced this weekend could have turned violent quickly. Of course, the person I dealt with is probably much further gone and was still acting the same way the next day.
 
I was asked to combine some posts and repost this theory from another thread here to the theory thread for discussion.

I'm just rethinking some things since the Dede flyer & the requests for more information about Kaine's white truck and people associated with the truck at the school that day.

A current theory of mine (following the week of the Dede police Flyer) is that LE believes another (3rd) person (other than Terri & Dede) is involved in the disappearance of Kyron.

(Unfortunately, LE’s timing was poor in asking for help about identifying this 3rd person. By the time LE held it’s presser to ask for community help, everyone was distracted/focused on the Dede Flyer.)

The Dede flyer was meant for a specific residential neighborhood. Dede flyer was not intended to be subject of presser. The Dede flyer is not distributed to the Skyline community (as was the Terri flyer). Separately, and from specific area residents, they are canvassing for witnesses to Dede & Terri & the white truck being seen near Dede's place of work June 4th. Note there are no questions on the flyer about Dede’s vehicle. The flyer is intended to develop evidence to support the portion of the timeline that Dede is providing to LE.

The 3rd person is the perp/kidnapper/abductor. This person was at the school and/or Fred Meyer. LE is trying to identify this person, appealed to the public & Skyline School community for help.

Terri could possibly identify him (i.e., assuming she hired him) but she won't because he's a killer. Or, perhaps she can’t identify him because there was a go-between she used to set it up. (Or perhaps she didn’t hire anyone and Kyron’s disappearance is a stranger abduction. But, for purposes of this theory – Terri hired him.)

I think Terri had planned something to do at approximately 10 AM after establishing FM alibis. The dilly-dallying at FM until approximately 10 … why? Because she had to do something until 10 in public. What did she plan to do at 10? Good question…hang on…

The refusal by LE to accept the next section of her timeline - her toddler-soothing driving alibi (which I feel was actually a reasonable alibi...) makes me think LE knew this is NOT what Terri did between 10 and the gym. She wasn't driving the baby. They’re sure of it. Why? What was she doing instead? Good question. Hang on some more.

I think Terri arranged, somewhat last minute, for Dede to do her the favor of watching the baby between 10 and the gym time. For about an hour and a half. Terri picked Dede up from her landscaping location (close to Terri's own home) brought Dede & baby to Terri's house, Dede babysat, Terri ran out and about, then Terri returned before going to the gym to bring Dede back to work. Whatever Terri was doing was a secret of some sort, a secret Dede was willing to honor. Terri traveled in the White Truck to go where she needed to go. Dede believed she knew where Terri was going. For example purposes we might guess that the "secret" might = an affair. Or it might be something else.

Why would Dede help out with that? Ask Dede. Perhaps she’d done it before, as Terri’s understanding friend. The important thing is, Dede believed she knew what Terri was up to that hour and was willing to babysit. Later, Dede was the one friend that was certain Terri wasn’t with Kyron during that time – because Dede knew Terri’s secret. This is why Dede could be sure she was doing the right thing standing by Terri for so long.

IMO, LE knows what Terri was doing before her gym time, or they know what she wasn't doing. She wasn't driving the baby because the baby was with Dede.

Anyway, it's just a theory. Any theory here is hard to think about...

One struggle I had in this theory was integrating a motive for Dede to be helpful to Terri such that Dede’s timeline is now so key to the investigation. I think this theory is one way to solve it reasonably, without creating Dede into some kind of monster, without ascribing motives to Dede that make no sense.

I could find no:

1) motive for Dede to help Terri kill Kyron and keep it a secret (other than accident - and why keep that a secret?) - unless these two accidentally killed Kyron in some horrifying child molestation situation – which, to me, is silly fringe theory.

or

2) motive for Dede to help Terri disappear Kyron and keep the silence for ever under all this LE pressure – unless they were determined to start a new life together with Terri's master plan to off Kaine & his son, take the money and run away together ..and that's again, a crazy stretch on many levels...

So...what would motivate a relatively normal friend and under what circumstances would Dede help Terri last-minute like and feel she should keep Terri's confidence about it from LE even?

I am left with the universal answer - Dede would do it for Love - for helping Terri with a new love - that was the one motive that worked for me - to explain Dede's response.

This theory has not addressed the 3rd person abductor/perp and the where’s Kyron issue other than to acknowledge that LE seems to be looking for this 3rd person.

This theory has also not addressed Terri meeting this 3rd person in that hour time frame, because if she’s arranged MFH or kidnapping of Kyron by this person, she does not need to be involved that day in anything other than acting stunned through the aftermath. However, it also leaves room for Terri to meet the MFH/kidnapper person too…
And so this very loyal friend and modern day Cupid, DeDe, upon learning of Kyron's disappearnce keeps her mouth shut out of reverence for love?
 
Thanks, Leila! Love reading everyone's thoughtful responses. So many people truly care about bringing Kyron home. I agree - that once you realize TH's character (MFH, sexting her new sexual interest right after the tragic disappearance of this wonderful kid, etc.), one realizes this is not a typical Mom. When a tragedy occurs, most people wouldn't think about flirting, they would feel like they were "punched in the gut" and would struggle to get through the day. Also - others have brought to our attention -- the lack of detailed references about Baby K in TH's given timeline (feeding, changing diapers, etc.). I additionally would have expected some pictures perhaps of Baby K with her big brother at the science fair (perhaps they were posted and I didn't see them?)? Instead, the only time Baby K is mentioned - is as an alibi for 9am-10am when "it" happened. I dunno, it all seems somewhat artifical to me...JMO....
 
Thanks, Leila! Love reading everyone's thoughtful responses. So many people truly care about bringing Kyron home. I agree - that once you realize TH's character (MFH, sexting her new sexual interest right after the tragic disappearance of this wonderful kid, etc.), one realizes this is not a typical Mom. When a tragedy occurs, most people wouldn't think about flirting, they would feel like they were "punched in the gut" and would struggle to get through the day. Also - others have brought to our attention -- the lack of detailed references about Baby K in TH's given timeline (feeding, changing diapers, etc.). I additionally would have expected some pictures perhaps of Baby K with her big brother at the science fair (perhaps they were posted and I didn't see them?)? Instead, the only time Baby K is mentioned - is as an alibi for 9am-10am when "it" happened. I dunno, it all seems somewhat artifical to me...JMO....
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We don't know that Terri didn't include that stuff in her timeline she described to LE.
 
There are some of us(myself included) that are feeling as tho this definitely was a premeditated(&IMO planned for quite sometime) "abduction" of Kyron, possibly even a homicide but either way I feel as tho this was given alot of fore thought(esp. since the murder for hire plot coming to light)which BTW if the murder for hire were a fabricated story Its IMO that Houze(known for his PR) would have IMMEDIATELY released a statement perhaps even a mandantory retraction with threats of lawsuit, none of thats happened and not only do I believe that there is evidence that this is infact TRUE, but I think it was a carefully timed "leak"(as I've read a few others that seem to think so to). IMO the murder for hire scheme was revised and the "disappearance" of Kyron took precedence over the Kaine scheme for a couple of reasons. For one, yes, its possibly to ensure the payoff(ineritance/life insurance)to just baby K and herself. Which with Kyron still in the picture it at the very least wouldve had to have been split with Kyron, or even possibly solely to Kyron(Which of course is DY by proxy). IMO this possibly could be part of TMH's "reasoning"(tho IMO seems to be questionable rationale at the least)but could have quite possibly been part of her revision of including Kyron.. But I think(&of course this is IMO and that is what we are doing here in"working theories" is speculating&giving our opinions)I think that her resentment/anger at Kaine(whether for a legit reason or out of severely deluded and distorted thoughts I don't know)but I think that TMH blamed, resented, and was angry at the fact that her teenaged son very recently(within past 6or so mos.[which look at the "for hire"scheme timeline they could easily coincide with one another])NO LONGER RESIDING WITH THEM in their North Portland home. I, as I've seen others have also seen it possibly REVENGE, "see how it feels"(of course quite obviously to an extreme of tit for tat) but I don't think we are dealing with someone that is in the right mind, healthy mind, however you want to phrase it, mentally sick, perhaps. I think that these reasons combined with anger/hurt of his possible infidelity and her already unhealthy mental state created the perfect storm and final snap that led her to revise her scheme. I quite possibly believe that in her revision she possibly saw it as to kill two birds with one stone. By getting rid of Kyron possibly in her mind was more punishment than death to Kaine(as in he'd suffer more not thru his death, but thru having to live thru the death of his son)... I am not sure as to which she was determined to put the plan into action with(and she possibly didnt know either, just had decided that Kyrons "disappearance" took precedence for whatever of those reasons)... ALL of that said is all in reference to the premeditation and also possible motives.
... BUT BACK TO DISAPPEARANCE OF KYRON and the thought that it was ALL PLANNED OUT. With TMH being a huge fan of crime shows(by her own admission CSI)we know they show LE using such technology as cell phone pings to track/trace a perps movements therefore leading LE to their guilty man. That said, she would have CERTAINLY known for a fact that her movements of that day would be so very easily tracked/traced by her cell phone.(I am not an avid watcher of the crime shows and know this to be a fact).. So, in her planning of Kyron's abduction(perhaps murder) her knowledge of this cell phone fact she could have decided to use to her benefit.. Let me explain.. What if she infact WANTED her movements thru out the day of June 4th to be traced/tracked to Sauvie Island. When infact she was no where near Sauvie Island on this day(except for dropping off phone/picking up phone from SI). Lets say she dropped the phone off on SI sometime that morning(this could be why LE says her cell phone pings don't mesh with her timeline of being at the school)because according to the cell phone pings she was already on SI and according to the pings she stayed on SI for several hours. When infact she had just taken her phone to SI(couldve been anywhere on that island, even just placed quickly off the side of the road in a ditch and later returned to retrieve it from that ditch)AFTER she had taken Kyron to an all together COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, NOWHERE NEAR NEAR SI where her cell phone pings would show her being at (when instead she went an entirely different route and direction with Kyron)... Therefore there would be no trace/track of her movements that day(atleast not thru the technology of the cell phone)it would appear that she was at SI for several hours that day when infact the cell phone was strategically placed on SI, she left without the phone and went on with her nefarious plans for Kyron and then only when COMPLETELY DONE with all that plan entailed did she return to SI to retrieve the strategically placed phone, which would then appear(by the cell pings)that she was JUST THEN leaving SI...So, if she was a fan of all the true crime and it would seem that there has been perhaps months of planning(i.e. murder for hire, then revised to get rid of Kyron first for whatever reasons, some I explained above).. It would certainly seem plausible (IMO) that she would use some knowledge of how technology "catches the perps" she instead use it to her advantage to "outsmart the cops"(and I've heard this mentioned several times does TMH think she can outsmart LE? my answer is yes(IMO) I think she certainly thinks she can outsmart and outwit these cops, I think she tried to think "steps ahead of them") I just hope for little Kyron's sake that LE is/has been onto her [IMO] long planned disappearance and/or murder of her innocent little step son...

thinking the same as you. Th was not the 'center of attention anymore.
TH hated her husband (MFH).................wanted a new life without the 2.
IMO
 
And so this very loyal friend and modern day Cupid, DeDe, upon learning of Kyron's disappearnce keeps her mouth shut out of reverence for love?

I know, it's pitiful isn't it? :blowkiss:

I'm proposing it was reason enough for this friend to keep her friend Terri's secret because she understood Terri, was privvy to Terri's relationship difficulties & Terri's affair, and was "respectful" to Terri's family about this secret, which she felt had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance. Dede considered Terri a friend and thought she knew what Terri was all about.

Friends. & Secrets. Who knows what other confidences they shared with each other... as friends.
 
I think it is possible that ever since Terri's son moved out, she had been not quietly stewing but openly angry, even taunting Kaine, "See how you feel, one day, when you come home and Kyron isn't here" kind of thing. And Kaine was ignoring her, putting it down to "moods" or whatever. Then when Kyron is gone, he tells LE about the "threats" and has to tell Desiree and Tony, too. That would explain why Desiree said at week 3 she never thought he would be gone this long and why they think he is "stashed." Also might explain why Kaine is hesitant to talk too much about Terri's medical/mental state, in case he missed what was really a major meltdown.

But then I get stuck. It seems impossible that it is a coincidence that Kyron does vanish after such words from Terri, without her being involved. So what did she do? Did she just "lose" it with that morning? Or is she did plan for someone to "hide" Kyron in order to get back at Kaine (and Kyron)? And wouldn't she know that she would be suspected, due to her "threats"? That is why I keep thinking it was an act of unplanned violence, and then she was stuck trying to act "normal." If she had passed Kyron off to someone, surely he would be home by now. I don't think she wanted to be viewed as a suspect or to become the focus of the investigation.

I think she did have an altercation with Kyron that morning at some point, took him out of the school, maybe he started crying and she reacted violently, letting out all her pent-up anger toward Kaine on Kyron. If this is the case, I think he could have been in the truck while she was in stores, etc, incapacitated or worse, and she needed Dede to take the baby after 10AM for an hour but did not tell her why.

In this scenario, I don't think anyone else knows for sure what happened and Dede can only guess.
 
I was just doing some research online after having a run in over the weekend with a rumored meth user in my family. The behavior was unprovoked, sudden, and very volatile towards me and completely out of character. What I found online is that housewives who want to lose weight are among the top two abusers of meth. I'm not accusing anyone of doing drugs, but wonder if increasing meth use, then tweaking could explain someone of behaving overly emotional and "not overly violent" for a period of months escalating over a period of two months. Depression can also be involved. The slightly more talkative behavior noted and hyper sexuality is another symptom. I really hope there is nothing like that involved with a sudden rage towards a child, because what I experienced this weekend could have turned violent quickly. Of course, the person I dealt with is probably much further gone and was still acting the same way the next day.


But then there is the "crash" and I think someone would have noticed that. Meth is a terrible drug, it's not like you can have a "little" meth problem it's all consuming. I don't think meth is involved at all.
 
This is only my second post here, or on any forum of this nature. I took the plunge this morning with my first post after lurking for a few weeks. In late June I visited Portland for the first time. In my several days there, I was deeply moved by Kyron's picture everywhere I turned around. Once home, I've tried to keep up with developments, and then found this forum.

My heart breaks for this sweet, innocent little boy, and for his parents.

The explanation Emma Peel has recently given in this thread is the one that makes the most sense to me. It explains DeeDee's car being at her place of work during this time period. I believe somehow, either at school or at a Fred Meyers, (or it could have been anywhere private, but before picking up DeeDee) Terri handed Kyron off to a person's whose name we do not know, but I wouldn't be surprised if LE knows who this is. I think (hope) that LE is right now with the flyers, etc, just trying to put together the last few pieces of this puzzle.

Why did Terri want DeeDee to babysit? There are any number of reasons why for an hour or so she decided she didn't want the baby with her. Some I really don't want to think about. Or maybe she was having some kind of rush and was hot to get together with a lover. Obviously, sex was a big thing for her, no matter what was going on.

Hopefully, we'll find out soon. And hopefully little Kyron will soon be at home where he belongs.
 
I also want to say that I think Terri could have walked out of the school with Kyron without any problem, while watching to see if anyone was noticing. If someone had noticed, then she (and the third person) could have altered their plans (with batphones) on the spur of the moment. She could have said later that she had been taking him home for some reason or to the doctor, and somehow he got snatched from her or he wandered off, etc. Oh, and given all the excitement of the morning with the science fair, she forgot to check him out in the office. She just innocently walked out. Or they slipped out the side or back door, because for some reason it was just more convenient that morning. Who would have thought twice about it, anyway? She was a trusted volunteer, known to everyone in that small school.

I was a substitute teacher for several years in an elementary school; the above scenario is very easy to picture.

As long as she was careful to make sure that wherever she said this happened, (his getting "snatched" or lost) there were no cameras like in a grocery store, who would question her...?

But obviously she was sure no one did see her...therefore, she could claim that she last saw him walking down his hallway, or whatever it was she exactly said.
 
I think it is possible that ever since Terri's son moved out, she had been not quietly stewing but openly angry, even taunting Kaine, "See how you feel, one day, when you come home and Kyron isn't here" kind of thing. And Kaine was ignoring her, putting it down to "moods" or whatever. Then when Kyron is gone, he tells LE about the "threats" and has to tell Desiree and Tony, too. That would explain why Desiree said at week 3 she never thought he would be gone this long and why they think he is "stashed." Also might explain why Kaine is hesitant to talk too much about Terri's medical/mental state, in case he missed what was really a major meltdown.

But then I get stuck. It seems impossible that it is a coincidence that Kyron does vanish after such words from Terri, without her being involved. So what did she do? Did she just "lose" it with that morning? Or is she did plan for someone to "hide" Kyron in order to get back at Kaine (and Kyron)? And wouldn't she know that she would be suspected, due to her "threats"? That is why I keep thinking it was an act of unplanned violence, and then she was stuck trying to act "normal." If she had passed Kyron off to someone, surely he would be home by now. I don't think she wanted to be viewed as a suspect or to become the focus of the investigation.

I think she did have an altercation with Kyron that morning at some point, took him out of the school, maybe he started crying and she reacted violently, letting out all her pent-up anger toward Kaine on Kyron. If this is the case, I think he could have been in the truck while she was in stores, etc, incapacitated or worse, and she needed Dede to take the baby after 10AM for an hour but did not tell her why.

In this scenario, I don't think anyone else knows for sure what happened and Dede can only guess.

If Terri is guilty, this makes the most sense to me. I just don't see her as this criminal mastermind capable of convincing others to do her evil bidding, like some sort of mutant cross between Manson and soccer-mom.

Pent-up anger. I think it fits.
 
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