POLL ADDED Connect The Dots-Working theories thread #2

[just]

LE, Desiree, and Kaine are certainly of the mind that she had an accomplice, and they've backed off Dede as her partner in crime. Were they overzealous in their accusation and implication of Dede in this crime? Is she involved or not? IMHO, they publicly accused her and LE publicly implicated her, and so if she's been cleared, Desiree, Kaine, and LE should publicly clear her. If she's not Terri's accomplice, who is, and shouldn't the public be alerted to the fact that a dangerous child abductor is on the loose?

On another note, how is it that Terri, not savvy enough to avoid batphone and sexting detection, has managed to leave behind no evidence of her alleged crimes or her accomplice? She's stumped 22 LE agencies including the FBI. They're sure she did it, but can't prove it, and they have no idea who helped her.

Curious, that.

Someone pointed out it took 4 months to arrest Scott Peterson. LE has info, they just want it to stick IMHO, and they want all accomplices, if any, to be not only found but also linked to the crime so that they never get out either. Again, IMHO, but if TH didn't do it, then she simply has an amazing amount of weird situations and lies against her - the teacher mishearing her, the pings on SI, being the last to see Kyron, MFH, sexting, bat phones, never coming forward to the media and on and on.

Can all of the above about TH be true and she is innocent? Absolutely, but that's about as likely as Scott Peterson having nothing to do with his pregnant wife's disappearance.

 

[Calliope]

Yes. Terri stated in her e-mail to a friend that she told the teacher she was going to look at exhibits and the teacher thought she was taking Kyron with Kitty to the doctor's. So, the teacher thought that morning that Terri was taking him to the doctor's. So did another student, which was reported in the media. Even a deaf person couldn't mix up those two comments (IMO).

Now this is where I get a bit confused. Did Ms P think Terri was taking Kyron to the doc or taking baby to doc's?

 

[Calliope]

Hopefully they have plenty of evidence to convict whoever harmed Kyron. Just because there hasn't been an arrest yet, doesn't mean that evidence isn't being gathered for a prosecution. It would be easier to prosecute someone for murder if the body is found, so maybe that is why an arrest hasn't been made. IMO.

Sometimes people aren't arrested for years. It doesn't mean they don't have evidence though and won't be able to eventually have a successful prosecution.

I don't think they have backed off of Dede at all. Just because they don't think she was the person in the truck doesn't mean they think she was telling the truth. I'll bet there was a lot of information on the text messages of the bat phones.

So now we're up to three people involved in this conspiracy to disappear a child? That's where they lose me completely.

 

[gardeness]

Not at all. I am questioning her reasoning of taking a sick baby to the day care. She didn't have to be at a job, so it was completely her choice. She chose to drop off her sick baby at a day care. To me it means she either values working out more than taking care of her daughter or she had some other reason for going to the gym that was more important than taking her sick baby home.

Okay--thanks for clarifying!

ETA: Or, Dot2...Toddler K was fussy and feverish and Terri abandoned previous plans and left earlier than she expected to go to the store for medicine...

 

[gwenabob]

LE, Desiree, and Kaine are certainly of the mind that she had an accomplice, and they've backed off Dede as her partner in crime. Were they overzealous in their accusation and implication of Dede in this crime? Is she involved or not? IMHO, they publicly accused her and LE publicly implicated her, and so if she's been cleared, Desiree, Kaine, and LE should publicly clear her. If she's not Terri's accomplice, who is, and shouldn't the public be alerted to the fact that a dangerous child abductor is on the loose?

On another note, how is it that Terri, not savvy enough to avoid batphone and sexting detection, has managed to leave behind no evidence of her alleged crimes or her accomplice? She's stumped 22 LE agencies including the FBI. They're sure she did it, but can't prove it, and they have no idea who helped her.

Curious, that.

BBM

What makes you think that? I suspect that she did leave behind evidence of her crimes and her accomplice. I will continue to remind people until this fact sticks: This is not Florida! We do not have sunshine laws! LE does not have to tell us jack squat!

We will find out what evidence they have when they are ready to tell us. Until then, will will just have to sit on our pretty little hands and be patient.

 

[Dee10]

Now this is where I get a bit confused. Did Ms P think Terri was taking Kyron to the doc or taking baby to doc's?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html

Horman went on to talk about Kyron’s recent behavior:
"The past 2 weeks he's been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can't remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks that he is having mini seizures and I made an appt on Thursday for next Friday to have him checked out."


That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

 

[OneLove]

BBM

What makes you think that? I suspect that she did leave behind evidence of her crimes and her accomplice. I will continue to remind people until this fact sticks: This is not Florida! We do not have sunshine laws! LE does not have to tell us jack squat!

We will find out what evidence they have when they are ready to tell us. Until then, will will just have to sit on our pretty little hands and be patient.

Thank YOU! Also, and AGAIN, the fact that the judge felt there was enough evidence to merit the restraining order and deny access to baby K says ALOT. To ignore that HUGE issue seems like massive denial. Judges do NOT do this lightly, or based on "just a hunch".

 

[nonfictionrocks]

That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

respectfully snipped and BBM

Then why would the teacher say (according to TP) to the "sub" that Kyron was probably using the washroom or getting a drink (or something of that nature)? JMO

 

[Dee10]

respectfully snipped and BBM

Then why would the teacher say (according to TP) to the "sub" that Kyron was probably using the washroom or getting a drink (or something of that nature)? JMO

I have no idea, I guess TP wasn't one of those multiple sources that contradicted TH.

 

[OneLove]

respectfully snipped and BBM

Then why would the teacher say (according to TP) to the "sub" that Kyron was probably using the washroom or getting a drink (or something of that nature)? JMO

Possibly, on the spur of the moment without time to "process", she wanted to calm the sub's obvious sense of panic. And because, usually, using the washroom or getting a drink would be exactly why a student was out of place.

 

[Kat010]

Possibly, on the spur of the moment without time to "process", she wanted to calm the sub's obvious sense of panic. And because, usually, using the washroom or getting a drink would be exactly why a student was out of place.

But if she knew that (according to her) TH was taking Kyron to the doctor, why would she lie?

 

[Donjeta]

Possibly, on the spur of the moment without time to "process", she wanted to calm the sub's obvious sense of panic. And because, usually, using the washroom or getting a drink would be exactly why a student was out of place.

But if she knew that (according to her) TH was taking Kyron to the doctor, why would she lie?

JMO but if something like what OneLove happened I don't think of it as lying. It happens to me a lot. Something comes up quickly, I blurt out the first thought that pops into my head and then when I have time to reconsider and process information I remember something that makes me realize that my first thought was wrong. If I'm lying I'm already conscious that I'm uttering an untruth at the time I say it, not afterwards. If the teacher didn't remember the alleged appointment at the time this conversation took place it wouldn't be lying imo, it would be just a lapse of memory.

 

[sorrell skye]

IMO, either the teacher believed that Kyron was "in the bathroom getting a drink of water", or she believed he had left the school that morning with his SM for a medical appointment.

As far as I'm concerned, she can't have it both ways. She either believed one thing or the other. There is too much confusion about where Kyron was that morning after the touring of the SF (was he in the bathroom, was he getting a drink of water, was he at a DR. appt.?), and IMO much of it is due to conflicting statements allegedly made by the teacher (or reported on her behalf by the school spokesperson).

ETA: But of course, it's TP who doesn't remember what happened the day of the SF. After all, he's just a kid, and he was confused about what he overheard between the teacher & the other adult (according to the school spokesperson).

MOO

 

[Donjeta]

If there in fact was some deliberate confusion about the doctor's appointment created by Terri it might easily explain why the teacher was confused about it IMO.

Of course their policy should have been to call the parents if they weren't sure where the child is.

 

[BeanE]

Yes...and infect other children in the daycare with a sick child...way to go Terri!

Infect them with teething?

 

[SacreBleu]

ETA: Or, Dot2...Toddler K was fussy and feverish and Terri abandoned previous plans and left earlier than she expected to go to the store for medicine...

Obviously, there are a whole bunch of dots between my original 1 and 2. Leaving earlier than expected to go to the store for medicine is perfectly rational (although if I was out of medicine for my child and she was feeling poorly, I think I might have gone to the store prior to going to school - especially if I was "planning" to be there until 10 am when the SF projects were free to go). Driving around on country roads (one of which could have been Skyline Blvd.) for 1-1/2 hours is not rational - imho.

I have a hard time calling Terri a good mother when she takes a sick baby to daycare 2 days in a row. Clearly, either Terri thinks more of herself than her children; or, she needed a witness that the baby was sick (June 3) to support her need to buy medicine on June 4, and she needed that June 4 alibi.

 

[Calliope]

That contradicts what multiple sources have told KATU News. In the days before the science fair, Terri informed Kyron’s teacher he had the appointment that day, June 4, which is why no one expected he would be in class and was marked absent.

So who are those sources and how would they have first-hand information about a conversation that took place between Terri and the teacher? And why is it "in the days before" ? If these "multiple sources" had actually witnessed and heard the conversation for themselves, couldn't they pin-point the day this occurred?

FWIW, I don't believe there were "multiple" direct witnesses to the entire conversation Terri had with MsP regarding the exact date of Kyron's doctor's appointment. Sounds like gossip to me.

 

[ellenj]

I have a hard time calling Terri a good mother when she takes a sick baby to daycare 2 days in a row. Clearly, either Terri thinks more of herself than her children; or, she needed a witness that the baby was sick (June 3) to support her need to buy medicine on June 4, and she needed that June 4 alibi.

My thoughts exactly. If she has this so tightly wrapped up then of COURSE she was thinking ahead long before D-day and would have made sure to prepare a reason for a "long drive". If she were innocent, wouldn't she have fought relentlessly for access to baby K? If I were unjustly banned from my kids I would have screamed from the rooftops, not hired the best criminal lawyer in town. I think she set the groundwork long before. Was the FM receipt really hers or did she send someone there with her debit card and possibly her truck? I guess LE has checked all that out... IMO of course...

 

[Calliope]

Infect them with teething?

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[Calliope]

So assuming for a moment that the teacher "knew" Kyron was going to the doctor's on that day, where is the paperwork?

Did she give it to Terri that morning to take to the doc's ?