Poll: Did Darlie Routier murder her children?

[Goody]

why would you say heaven would be an empty place if murderes were unable to make things right with god? do you think there are more murderers and bad people than you do GOOD people who have lived their lives to the fullest?? i sure hope i misunderstood you- because that statement reallyyyyyyy throws me off----

I wasn't specifically addressing murderers. We are all sinners with debts to settle before we leave this life. Snooty says we take it with us and it is settled in the hereafter. And that could be true. I really don't know. I was just thinking that if only those who don't have any baggage to carry into the hereafter with them are allowed in heaven, it will be a pretty empty place because most everyone has something he should repent for. (I tend to believe though that if we settle the debt on this side, we'll be forgiven by man and by God, and there won't be anything to carry to the other side.)

As for GOOD people, there aren't any. Don't you remember what it says in the bible?...that only God is GOOD.

 

[Goody]

New member here. Just wanted to pop in and say hello and how much I enjoy reading everyone's posts, it's been very informative reading everything.

I'm from Dallas and have lived here all my life, I kept up with the trial when it was occuring but didn't delve too deeply into it until I found out that a good friend knew Darlie both in a professional and friend capacity and got 're-interested' again.

I was just able to purchase MTJD on Amazon for list price, and its very eye opening to connect the pictures with everything I have read about the case.

Anyways, enjoying everyone's thoughts and debates!

Welcome, Desi. O, please tell us what your friend thinks of Darlie. What was she really like? How did she treat the boys? Is she as materialistic as they say? I hope you will post with us and tell us the little things that aren't in the books.

 

[j2mirish]

I wasn't specifically addressing murderers. We are all sinners with debts to settle before we leave this life. Snooty says we take it with us and it is settled in the hereafter. And that could be true. I really don't know. I was just thinking that if only those who don't have any baggage to carry into the hereafter with them are allowed in heaven, it will be a pretty empty place because most everyone has something he should repent for. (I tend to believe though that if we settle the debt on this side, we'll be forgiven by man and by God, and there won't be anything to carry to the other side.)

As for GOOD people, there aren't any. Don't you remember what it says in the bible?...that only God is GOOD.

ia m not going to try to turn this into a religious debate- but i will say that if someone like darlie is sitting next to me in heaven........i will not understand, nor appreciate it- and unlike your bible quote- i am not implying we all dont sin-- but i can guarantee you- i am a good person-

 

[Desilu]

I do wish I had a lot to spill!

This was my best friend from high school and my early 20s, we lost touch after she got married and then reconnected after the murders (I can't for the life of me remember what year now). Anyways, my friend (I'll call her Beth) was Darlie's hair stylist and sometimes party buddy.

When we got together again, I found out that she had divorced, which steered us into the topic of what happened to her marriage. She was so distraught after the boys were killed it literally caused problems in her marriage and her husband couldn't understand why she couldn't get past the grief after awhile. She believed Darlie was guilty and it just destroyed her knowing that. I really didn't push too much into her relationship with Darlie or what caused her to believe she was guilty, because she was in so much pain from it and I didn't want to add to it.

But I can tell you Beth said Darlie Kee was VERY upset she wouldn't testify on Darlie's behalf and just badgered her to do so until Beth out and out refused.

 

[HeartofTexas]

but i will say that if someone like darlie is sitting next to me in heaven........i will not understand, nor appreciate it- and unlike your bible quote- i am not implying we all dont sin-- but i can guarantee you- i am a good person-

Let's assume that if you are sitting in Heaven next to Darlie that God will have reminded you by that time that "judge not, lest ye be judged" is the way He intends for us to live. Not that I remember to live that way very often! But I think it is the way He intends for us to be.

I have read about many, many dastardly crimes in my life. I have also watched first-hand as people have been treated in a less than human way. My brain hates all of it and wants desperately for these people to be behind bars and punished for their inhumanity to man. However, my heart truly believes that "until you've walked a mile in someone's shoes", you don't really know who they areor what they've endured to make them the way they are. My mother would be a prime example. She was a woman capable of extreme verbal and physical cruelty, and I spent much of my younger years hating her on a daily basis. However, I'm not sure what's reasonable to expect from a woman whose own mother buried a hatchet in my mother's head when she was 4 years old. From there, my mother went first to a hospital and later to an orphanage, and my grandmother went to an insane asylum. What chance do people born to that kind of cruel and unusual punishment have to ever live normal lives? My mother was born in the 1920's, and there was no therapy or help for her. She was just expected to put it behind her and move on. And she did, but she carried that baggage right into the lives of all of her children. I, OTOH, turned out a bit better than my mother but only because therapy was available for my generation. I was able to work through some of my problems which enabled me to function at a much higher level in society. My heart says that God forgives all of our crimes, even the most heinous ones, because God knows what each of us has endured on this earth. Obviously, we have to ask for forgiveness first, but I do believe God is a forgiving God. That's JMHO.

 

[j2mirish]

Let's assume that if you are sitting in Heaven next to Darlie that God will have reminded you by that time that "judge not, lest ye be judged" is the way He intends for us to live. Not that I remember to live that way very often! But I think it is the way He intends for us to be.

I have read about many, many dastardly crimes in my life. I have also watched first-hand as people have been treated in a less than human way. My brain hates all of it and wants desperately for these people to be behind bars and punished for their inhumanity to man. However, my heart truly believes that "until you've walked a mile in someone's shoes", you don't really know who they areor what they've endured to make them the way they are. My mother would be a prime example. She was a woman capable of extreme verbal and physical cruelty, and I spent much of my younger years hating her on a daily basis. However, I'm not sure what's reasonable to expect from a woman whose own mother buried a hatchet in my mother's head when she was 4 years old. From there, my mother went first to a hospital and later to an orphanage, and my grandmother went to an insane asylum. What chance do people born to that kind of cruel and unusual punishment have to ever live normal lives? My mother was born in the 1920's, and there was no therapy or help for her. She was just expected to put it behind her and move on. And she did, but she carried that baggage right into the lives of all of her children. I, OTOH, turned out a bit better than my mother but only because therapy was available for my generation. I was able to work through some of my problems which enabled me to function at a much higher level in society. My heart says that God forgives all of our crimes, even the most heinous ones, because God knows what each of us has endured on this earth. Obviously, we have to ask for forgiveness first, but I do believe God is a forgiving God. That's JMHO.

hot- this will be my last comment- as i stated i am not trying to get into religious debate-- i would not begin to place your mother and people like darlie in the same catagory--

 

[cami]

Heaven would be a pretty empty place if that were true, I think, but I am willing to concede that it is possible.

You are right that Darin did do some things, but for the most part that was just raising money for the atty and his expenses. There were some investigators in it but I think if my loved one were in this pickle and I truly believed she was innocent, I would be doing my own investigating, independent of attys, police, prosecutor's office, etc. I have never heard anyone on Darlie's side ever talk about doing anything like that. I just think they would if they truly believed her to innocent.

The first thing Darin should have done was copped to the fact that he was trying to have his house burglarized. Why wait six years? I don't believe his robbery motive for a second. Do you Snooty? And I don't think he was afraid to tell the authorities either. He said in his own words about Darlie's suicide attempt that a comptemplation is not an attempt.

 

[Goody]

ia m not going to try to turn this into a religious debate- but i will say that if someone like darlie is sitting next to me in heaven........i will not understand, nor appreciate it- and unlike your bible quote- i am not implying we all dont sin-- but i can guarantee you- i am a good person-

But aren't all sins equal in the eyes of God? And don't many good people do some very bad things? Often in the name of love and/or love of the Lord. I just finished reading a book where a convict said that southern christians were sadists....they will beat you half to death in the name of Jesus.

My point, I guess, is that I don't find it difficult to believe someone like Darlie could be forgiven if she made an honest attempt to settle her "debts" (or conflicts) while still on earth and was sincerely sorry for her wrongs, but I do find it difficult to believe that there would be no repercussions for things not settled here on the other side. If not, life on earth makes even less sense than it does already. And on most days it is mass confusion,. LOL. And that is if you obey the rules.

 

[Goody]

The first thing Darin should have done was copped to the fact that he was trying to have his house burglarized. Why wait six years? I don't believe his robbery motive for a second. Do you Snooty? And I don't think he was afraid to tell the authorities either. He said in his own words about Darlie's suicide attempt that a comptemplation is not an attempt.

I think the whole Darin sent out the word to have his home burgled is BS. In the two weeks before her arrest, both Darlie and Darin felt pretty comfortable with detectives. They said themselves they had no idea they were suspects. Darlie felt comfortable enough to flirt with them, to tell them about the cocaine she'd purchased for Darin's birthday (in Feb, I think). If they were innocent and only wanted to find who had done this to their children, he would have spilled right away. Or they would have gotten together and reasonably concluded that they would have to tell. No one who loves their children would be worried about some attempted to scam charge in the shadows of their children's murders.

Maybe he did say something to her stepfather, but it was obviously not something he had had an opportunity to follow thru on. It was just Darin looking for an easy out, throwing ideas around to solve their financial problems. If he had ever gotten around to actually putting the word out, don't you know that there would be some guys willing to come forward and say so?

 

[proadvocate]

Darlie is 100% innocent. I have followed this case very closely from Day One. I believe Darin had something to do with it. After he admitted to speaking with people just THREE DAYS before the killings about hiring someone to burglarize the house for the insurance money, that sent up a huge red flag for me.

Thank you Shamrock.To many people overlook simple facts in the rush to execute inmates.Why is it so hard for people to look at Darin as a potential suspect?Was it Darlie out hiring thugs to pull off an insurance scam?Was it Darlie who agreed to testify up to the point just shy of implicating herself?And what of this lawyer she had forced on her....Why is there such a need on his part to censor any and all evidence from Darlies defense which might in some way implicate Darin?Personally I think Darin either commited the crime himself,or paid some of his friends to do it for him.

 

[Goody]

Thank you Shamrock.To many people overlook simple facts in the rush to execute inmates.Why is it so hard for people to look at Darin as a potential suspect?Was it Darlie out hiring thugs to pull off an insurance scam?Was it Darlie who agreed to testify up to the point just shy of implicating herself?And what of this lawyer she had forced on her....Why is there such a need on his part to censor any and all evidence from Darlies defense which might in some way implicate Darin?Personally I think Darin either commited the crime himself,or paid some of his friends to do it for him.

If Darin did it, Darlie had to know it. Too many holes in her story for her not to.

And why on earth would you believe Darin hired thugs to come into his house when ONLY three days before the murders he was just getting around to asking someone WHO he could hire? And that person had no idea.

There is no proof that Darin ever was involved with an insurance scam. All he has admitted to so far is that someone misunderstood him when he said he wouldn't mind if his car was stolen. He says the guy stole the car but never says anything about getting any money from insurance on it. Since he was still driving the car when this happened, it doesn't sound like any of it is even close to being an insurance scam.

And where are the guys he put the word out to? Surely one of them could use a plea deal by now. Not a single one comes forward though, not a single ex-girlfriend comes forward. Sounds to me like there is no proof at all that any of this is even true. I think it is just something Darin concocted to help Darlie win an appeal. You wait and see. If anything comes of this, in the end he won't be able to produce the bad guys.

And where did you get the idea there was a lawyer forced on her. The family turned themselves inside out trying to raise enough money to hire a good atty for her. Darlie had the final say about everything. You don't really see Darlie as a shrinking violet, do you? Darlie is very articulate and well read. If she didn't like something, I am sure she would have had no problem letting people know about it. Listen to thw words in her letters that she wrote from the jail. Sounds like she knew a whole lot about what was going on in her case.

<<<Why is there such a need on his part to censor any and all evidence from Darlies defense which might in some way implicate Darin?>>>>

I don't understand this statement at all. Please explain.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Thank you Shamrock.To many people overlook simple facts in the rush to execute inmates.Why is it so hard for people to look at Darin as a potential suspect?Was it Darlie out hiring thugs to pull off an insurance scam?Was it Darlie who agreed to testify up to the point just shy of implicating herself?And what of this lawyer she had forced on her....Why is there such a need on his part to censor any and all evidence from Darlies defense which might in some way implicate Darin?Personally I think Darin either commited the crime himself,or paid some of his friends to do it for him.

Simple. If Darin (or any intruder) wanted Darlie dead, she'd be dead. There was no evidence of any struggle in that house, so there's no way anyone could argue that she began to get the best of someone so they gave up and left. The houses are way more close together in that neighborhood than one might guess from looking at photos. If she was fighting Darin and screaming, someone most likely would have heard something. If someone was paid, they'd most likely have talked to someone by now.

 

[Goody]

Simple. If Darin (or any intruder) wanted Darlie dead, she'd be dead. There was no evidence of any struggle in that house, so there's no way anyone could argue that she began to get the best of someone so they gave up and left. The houses are way more close together in that neighborhood than one might guess from looking at photos. If she was fighting Darin and screaming, someone most likely would have heard something. If someone was paid, they'd most likely have talked to someone by now.

I agree, Jeana. Esp with that last one. If someone outside the family had done this, someone would know and likely turn in an anonymous tip by now. These thugs always tell a girlfriend and end up breaking up with them, then the girlfriend gets a conscience and rats them out. The only reason there aren't any tips coming in to cops or media is because it was an inside job.

 

[txsvicki]

I have wondered for awhile if Darlie could have been going to try and murder Darin also since the little boys didn't have much insurance coverage. Has anyone discussed this or suspected this motive?

 

[Goody]

I have wondered for awhile if Darlie could have been going to try and murder Darin also since the little boys didn't have much insurance coverage. Has anyone discussed this or suspected this motive?

This question has been brought up many times, but I don't think that was ever a real possibility. Darlie did not even go upstairs. All of her activity was located in the family room and kitchen. If she had intended to kill Darin, she wouldn't have screamed to wake him up. That is, if you believe his version of events.

 

[deanws]

This question has been brought up many times, but I don't think that was ever a real possibility. Darlie did not even go upstairs. All of her activity was located in the family room and kitchen. If she had intended to kill Darin, she wouldn't have screamed to wake him up. That is, if you believe his version of events.

Shoot Goody, I don't trust him any more than I do her.:sick:

 

[Goody]

Shoot Goody, I don't trust him any more than I do her.:sick:

Nor do I. I suspect he was downstairs when the attacks took place and that is why the confusion on what he was wearing when they said he came downstairs. I don't know if that makes him just as guilty of murder as it does Darlie, but it certainly could.

 

[deanws]

Nor do I. I suspect he was downstairs when the attacks took place and that is why the confusion on what he was wearing when they said he came downstairs. I don't know if that makes him just as guilty of murder as it does Darlie, but it certainly could.

I think it does. Not that my opinion counts.:crazy: I am so sure the Texas courts value my opinion!

 

[Goody]

I think it does. Not that my opinion counts.:crazy: I am so sure the Texas courts value my opinion!

If you were on the jury, they would. hahahahahahah.

 

[deanws]

I know that I would have had to excuse myself if I had been picked for that trial. I just could not stomach the photos. It took all I could stomach to view the photos of the blood outline of the blade that my friend beesy said weren't too gory.:doh: I just glanced at the one of Devon's back to look see if I could see that tiny break in his skin. He was already cleaned up...and it still made me sick to my stomach. It makes me very sad to think of the pain those precious babies had in their last moments of life.