Poll: Did Darlie Routier murder her children?

[pennygram]

I haven't followed this case like I have the Peterson case, but based on what I have seen on TV, I have reasonable doubt, and would therefore vote NG if I were on the jury. (OT, same with Aisenbergs and Ramseys).

I agree with you on reasonable doubt on Darlie and the Ramseys. Dont know about the A's yet, and I am starting to change my mind about Fatal Vision Jeff after reading Fatal Justice:banghead:

 

[Yellowrose]

"Many" People Think That Darlie's Deserves A New Trial I know I do. Too much of a "RUSH" to Judgement. As in Don Davis' notes (author). Did she deserve the death penalty? No. Was her trial really fair? Probably not. Then we have another author, Barbara Davis who believes she's totally INNOCENT. Then we have the overzealous prosecutor "Greg Davis" who appears to take this case personally. Never, ever have I've seen any prosecutor act so "nasty and mean" when speaking to the media on any murder case. I live in a state that's pro-death penalty. But I do believe there should be a separate penalty phase for it. Juries just don't find someone guilty within five hours and send them off to Death Row. I guess I don't know much about Texas Law, but something isn't right. I am pro-death penalty, but they better prove their case "Beyond" a reasonable doubt. I hate to go on and on, but I must say no one has written a definitive book yet. All 3 are basically the same. We need a damn good "investigative" author to write the true facts of this case. Maybe one day it will happen. And then again, there may be people here who do no more, perhaps they could of known Darlie personally, or maybe a juror, or maybe even a police officer on the case, it's all good.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I hate to go on and on, but I must say no one has written a definitive book yet. All 3 are basically the same. We need a damn good "investigative" author to write the true facts of this case. Maybe one day it will happen. And then again, there may be people here who do no more, perhaps they could of known Darlie personally, or maybe a juror, or maybe even a police officer on the case, it's all good. [/color][/b]

Well I hate to disagree with you, but according to Darlie, Darin and Mama Darlie, Christopher Brown's book WAS the true facts of the case.

 

[Yellowrose]

Hi Jeana, I'm sorry but his book was awful, I couldn't even follow the poorly written thing. I just read his ridiculous theories, they made no sense. The autopsy pictures were very sad. But they really didn't prove guilt or innocence. Cami, who is very bright, was on the fence until she saw "The Invisible Intruder". I wonder why it's not shown. There's so much media on her new website, could it be the "one" the family claims police departments are viewing in what they call "WHAT THE POLICE SHOULDN"T DO ON A CRIME SCENE". Boy I wish I could catch that one.:innocent: p.s. are you really a lawyer? My husband is a retired police officer and his favorite word is "darlin'" LOL.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Hi Jeana, I'm sorry but his book was awful, I couldn't even follow the poorly written thing. I just read his ridiculous theories, they made no sense. The autopsy pictures were very sad. But they really didn't prove guilt or innocence. Cami, who is very bright, was on the fence until she saw "The Invisible Intruder". I wonder why it's not shown. There's so much media on her new website, could it be the "one" the family claims police departments are viewing in what they call "WHAT THE POLICE SHOULDN"T DO ON A CRIME SCENE". Boy I wish I could catch that one.:innocent: p.s. are you really a lawyer? My husband is a retired police officer and his favorite word is "darlin'" LOL.

I understand what you're saying and I agree. However, they are not just his theories. They are the theories of Darlie and her family and supporters (most of them).

 

[Goody]

I agree with you on reasonable doubt on Darlie and the Ramseys. Dont know about the A's yet, and I am starting to change my mind about Fatal Vision Jeff after reading Fatal Justice:banghead:

Well, shoot, maybe they are all innocent. We can open the prison gates tomorrow and let them all out, and start over in the morning. :doh: Sheesh! Got any facts you want to share with your opinions? (no offense intended. )

 

[Goody]

"Many" People Think That Darlie's Deserves A New TrialI know I do. Too much of a "RUSH" to Judgement.

You have to be kidding. All of the evidence pointed straight at Darlie. What were they supposed to do? Ignore it?

As in Don Davis' notes (author). Did she deserve the death penalty? No. Was her trial really fair? Probably not. Then we have another author, Barbara Davis who believes she's totally INNOCENT.

Why does Barbara say she changed her mind?

Don Davis has never said he believed her to be innocent. He just didn't like the way the trial was conducted. I have mixed feelings about that, but I have to admit that the evidence that was presented is hard to dispute. It links her to the murder weapon during the murders and to the knife that cut the screen, which was found inside the house because it, too, belonged to the Routiers. Add that to no evidence of an intruder and what do you have? A mother lying to cover up for the real killer or a mother who just killed her kids and is trying to get out of it any way she can? Either way,it makes her culpable and a party to the crime. And with the blood pointing at her, it seems more reasonable to conclude she did it than that she was only covering up for someone else.

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hen we have the overzealous prosecutor "Greg Davis" who appears to take this case personally. Never, ever have I've seen any prosecutor act so "nasty and mean" when speaking to the media on any murder case.

How do you figure that Greg Davis was over zealous? Quotes please. I have not seen anything yet that shows him to be over zealous. Maybe I missed something.

I live in a state that's pro-death penalty. But I do believe there should be a separate penalty phase for it. Juries just don't find someone guilty within five hours and send them off to Death Row.

They didn't. There were two separate trials, commonly referred to as the guilt phase and the punishment phase. After the conviction, witnesses for both sides were called and the jury went back to deliberate again, coming back with their recommendation for the death penalty. Where are you getting your information?

I guess I don't know much about Texas Law, but something isn't right. I am pro-death penalty, but they better prove their case "Beyond" a reasonable doubt.

They did. Maybe you should read the transcripts to see for yourself. You can find them at fordarlieroutier.org

I hate to go on and on, but I must say no one has written a definitive book yet. All 3 are basically the same. We need a damn good "investigative" author to write the true facts of this case. Maybe one day it will happen. And then again, there may be people here who do no more, perhaps they could of known Darlie personally, or maybe a juror, or maybe even a police officer on the case, it's all good.

Do you know Darlie personally?

 

[Goody]

Cami, who is very bright, was on the fence until she saw "The Invisible Intruder". I wonder why it's not shown. There's so much media on her new website, could it be the "one" the family claims police departments are viewing in what they call "WHAT THE POLICE SHOULDN"T DO ON A CRIME SCENE". Boy I wish I could catch that one.

Cami is right, The Invisible Intruder is a very good look at the case. Not perfect but better than most. As I understand it, it is used to teach blood evidence. I don't know if there is any truth to the family's claims that they are also using it to show what police should not do at a crime scene. I have never heard anyone but Darlie supporters ever say it. I have heard LE say the former though.

If I remember correctly, The Invisible Intruder is a TLC program. Maybe you can request them to run it.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

[/color]How do you figure that Greg Davis was over zealous? Quotes please. I have not seen anything yet that shows him to be over zealous. Maybe I missed something.

You know what Goody? Even if he was "nasty & mean", consider his responsibility. He had to stand there in place of these beautiful children to seek justice for them. The fact that he was so nasty and mean, (if he indeed was), shows me that he probably DOES hate Darlie, based on what happened to those boys & based on his ardent belief that she is the one that caused it. (We all hate the person responsible for doing that to those children.) Does that make him overzealous or just plain determined to put a monster behind bars? It never bothers me when someone refers to an overzealous prosecutor because that just shows me the passion behind their beliefs and their drive to punish the person responsible.

 

[Goody]

You know what Goody? Even if he was "nasty & mean", consider his responsibility. He had to stand there in place of these beautiful children to seek justice for them. The fact that he was so nasty and mean, (if he indeed was), shows me that he probably DOES hate Darlie, based on what happened to those boys & based on his ardent belief that she is the one that caused it. (We all hate the person responsible for doing that to those children.) Does that make him overzealous or just plain determined to put a monster behind bars? It never bothers me when someone refers to an overzealous prosecutor because that just shows me the passion behind their beliefs and their drive to punish the person responsible.

I agree, but I still wouldn't call Davis overzealous. All prosecutors are zealous and passionate. They have to be to get the guilty party. It always bugs me that people think he was supposed to be "nice" to Darlie. Bet no one wants the prosecutor in Kansas to be nice to Rader. Imagine what it would be like if prosecutors had to tiptoe around the courtroom and question defendants in a kind, supportive tone, never say anything bad about them. LOL!

 

[Yellowrose]

Cami is right, The Invisible Intruder is a very good look at the case. Not perfect but better than most. As I understand it, it is used to teach blood evidence. I don't know if there is any truth to the family's claims that they are also using it to show what police should not do at a crime scene. I have never heard anyone but Darlie supporters ever say it. I have heard LE say the former though.

If I remember correctly, The Invisible Intruder is a TLC program. Maybe you can request them to run it.

You're right Goody, I think I'll buy it. Thanks, from another "Jersey Girl". Cha Cha Cha.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I agree, but I still wouldn't call Davis overzealous. All prosecutors are zealous and passionate. They have to be to get the guilty party. It always bugs me that people think he was supposed to be "nice" to Darlie. Bet no one wants the prosecutor in Kansas to be nice to Rader. Imagine what it would be like if prosecutors had to tiptoe around the courtroom and question defendants in a kind, supportive tone, never say anything bad about them. LOL!

Excellent post Goody.

 

[cami]

I agree with you on reasonable doubt on Darlie and the Ramseys. Dont know about the A's yet, and I am starting to change my mind about Fatal Vision Jeff after reading Fatal Justice:banghead:

FJ is a piece of trash. It's Jeffrey MacDonald's wish as he would want it to be. The authors, Potter and Bost, did not once contact the prosecution or the lead investigator of the 1971 reinvestigation, Peter Kearns, for their input or check facts. It's not well researched and has been edited by MacDonald. The authors have used the "cut and paste" method to get a point across-mostly suppression by the prosecution but when you read the actual court documents, you catch on to their methods. One of the authors has died and the other has distanced himself from MacDonald and his camp.

 

[cami]

I agree, but I still wouldn't call Davis overzealous. All prosecutors are zealous and passionate. They have to be to get the guilty party. It always bugs me that people think he was supposed to be "nice" to Darlie. Bet no one wants the prosecutor in Kansas to be nice to Rader. Imagine what it would be like if prosecutors had to tiptoe around the courtroom and question defendants in a kind, supportive tone, never say anything bad about them. LOL!

I agree as well. He is after all the representative for the victims. He was working for Devon and Damon, not Darlie.

I wish now I had taped that Medical Detectives program when they aired it on Xmas Eve as they have removed that program from the Canadian affiliate I watched on. Jeez that peeves me off when they do that, LOL.

 

[Goody]

Excellent post Goody.

Thanks, Jeana.

 

[Goody]

I agree as well. He is after all the representative for the victims. He was working for Devon and Damon, not Darlie.

I wish now I had taped that Medical Detectives program when they aired it on Xmas Eve as they have removed that program from the Canadian affiliate I watched on. Jeez that peeves me off when they do that, LOL.

I did tape it. Hah!

 

[cami]

I did tape it. Hah!

aha, I've taped it and taped over it a few times so I bet i have it lying around on an old tape somewhere, LOL. I wanted to tape it for someone but I can't remember who, LOL.

 

[Goody]

aha, I've taped it and taped over it a few times so I bet i have it lying around on an old tape somewhere, LOL. I wanted to tape it for someone but I can't remember who, LOL.

byn maybe?

 

[cami]

byn maybe?

Nah, she sort of fell of the Darlie radar, she's tied up with MacDonald and reading all the appeals and the decisions. I think it was Yiab, LOL. I was supposed to tape her the segment on Darlie and then a Canadian documentary on Homolka/Bernardo. I have the H/B but not Darlie.

 

[accordn2me]

Where is my memory! :doh:

Did James Cron testify that the fiber on the knife was from the screen? I thought he said something to the effect of the fiber was a material that could be consistent with material used to make the screen.

Did they ever say when they thought the screen was cut with the knife? If it was before the murders, does anyone think it's incredible that the fiber stayed on that knife through all the slashing and stabbing? If it was after the murders, does anyone think it's incredible that no blood was found on the screen?

Two things give me pause about the prosecutor. The first is when I saw him say the silly string video is what clinched Darlie's guilty for him. The second is the mock trials. Apparently, it's legal to have mock trials and get all the witnesses in the same room to rehearse and refine the testimony. The thing I can't figure out is why can't they all sit in the courtroom during the whole trial?