Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[Gecko100]

Also, I just looked at the autopsy photos again '( ) And there is no way those slashes came while Jodi was under Travis and slashing at his back.

There are other sites around that interpret the injuries and scenarios more fully.
I won't link them here though, out of respect.

 

[MeeBee]

There are other sites around that interpret the injuries and scenarios more fully.
I won't link them here though, out of respect.

The angle and trajectory just doesn't look possible to me.

In any case, what does it matter? Travis was fighting for his life. There's no way of knowing how or when those occurred. But they don't look like they could have come from Jodi under Travis. They are too low. I also think that they would have to be deeper if they occurred that way. These are little more than scratches. When you wash all the blood away you can't even see them.

I am not going to dissect the injuries anymore or analyze them. It's too horrible and sad.

ETA: It also doesn't make sense if you account for where the wounds are and which hand the knife would be in. If the knife was in her right hand, which makes the most sense since the wounds are on Travis's left side, then that angle doesn't make sense. They'd be facing the other way or they'd be more inward. And it couldn't have been in her left hand because they are too far down and to the right.

That would also entail believing that Travis was so murderous that he lunged at a woman holding a loaded gun. So murderous that he continued his rampage with a bullet in his head having seared through his brain. So murderous that he continues to attack a woman holding a knife and stabbing at him. None of that even makes any sort of logical sense. How can anyone believe that? Usually, the gun and one or two slices or stabs would be enough. He would not keep coming at her if he was that injured unless he was on bath salts or something...

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is long, but excellent.

It talks about what we know about children and what they need and why.

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2004/924159134X.pdf

It should be required reading for every pregnant woman and all men. Right along side of CPR Safety and First Aid. Parents shouldn't be able to leave the hospital without completing both. IMO



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[Linda7NJ]

Well, his evil manson like ramblings are not some act. It's a common unrational rationalization to commit horrible acts. He did a lot of damage in this world!

I remember when he terrorized So. California. In the interview he teases with a remark that "he quit on love and happiness long ago", but wouldn't give why. But quitting was his DECISION, and to be evil was his decision. Totally lost to describe who he is - says "just a guy". Empty evil.

It doesn't matter what the face looks like, but if you look closely you can see something malicious and that dupers delight in him, just like I see in CMja.

:seeya:

Dead shark eyes. Zero remorse, he delighted in his crimes. Was he still married to that whackadoo?


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[MeeBee]

Dead shark eyes. Zero remorse, he delighted in his crimes. Was he still married to that whackadoo?


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Oh yes. And she said the day he was executed she would kill herself. Wonder what we'll get now that he's died of natural causes?

 

[Linda7NJ]

The study I posted from the World Health Organization gives studies and discusses things that people are saying here.

It is a cross cultural look at children, but they conclude that what makes children prosper is the same all over the world.

I believe here in the US the biggest mistake being made is handing baby off to a daycare and strangers for 10 hrs a day. I really don't want to start a debate or argue the point other than to say its far less than ideal. No one is gonna love a child more than family.


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[Linda7NJ]

My friend is a therapist. She had to go through therapy herself inn order to become a therapist.

When she was going through therapy, she discovered her father was an alcoholic. She was 22 years old and had no idea the father she grew up with was an alcoholic. She said that explained why her mother had the issues she did as well.

So an intelligent woman growing up in her house did not even know the issues of her home.

That's more than a little bizarre, don't ya think?


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[Linda7NJ]

Could be, the 'stab' wounds on his back are superficial slashing wounds that could only be accomplished by someone lying on top of another. The wound shapes are consistent with that because they have a 'tail'. All the wounds were superficial except for 3. None of those wounds except for 3 could have been fatal. If her intention was to kill, she had much better opportunities to do so without a hellishly gory fight. He was photographed sleeping at one point, that's when I would have struck, no mess no clean-up quick escape.
She went to an awful lot of trouble to carry out a pre-meditated murder and made some very silly mistakes for an above average intelligence creative person.
It's really not the behaviour of pre-planned psychopath, those are very cold and swiftly carried out, it's part of the thrill of high risk taking. I could not in all honesty see JA as a thrill seeking sexual psychopath acting out a fantasy.
I can only think that a fight took place, for whatever reason and that JA defended herself. There are some great resources available to discover the differences between stabbing and 'chopping slashes' - one produces a tail and the other does not.
I am not trying to defend her, I just need more information than we are given by television pundits and innuendo.

You read that whackadoo wanna be navy seal's blog and pulled out that ridiculous part about tails on the stab wounds.
No need to listen to tv pundits or innuendo. Look at the crime scene photos, autopsy photos and look at her planning both before and after the murder.


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[Linda7NJ]

How about the minds of the people that seek relationships and/or marriage with killers? Particularly the inmates that show no remorse or empathy for their victims. The idea of someone wanting/thinking of loving RR. He murdered/raped old woman, yet people want to establish relationships with him. Jodi has people wanting to support her too. What is it that creates prison groupies?

Fruit loops that that need the sense of safety & security by only loving a man sentenced to death who will in all likelihood die behind bars.


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[2Hip2BSquare]

I'm so glad you and your son got the help you both needed Linda.

One of my most crowning achievements in my eyes is that we raised five children who are exceptional children. Of course no child is perfect but all and all I cant say parenting was that hard when they were growing up. It does my heart good that they don't know what it is to suffer abuse even though they are aware that I did.

I was an overprotective mom.........I will admit that... which came from me being abused, but little by little I learned to trust them, and their decision making and gave them their wings. They never disappointed us nor betrayed that trust.

We did set ground rules that they had to follow and never gave them everything they wanted. They certainly knew that 'no' meant 'no' and there would be no further discussions. We wanted them to know that time being spent together with family and friends is much more valuable than any material thing they could ever have.

Now they are grown and so well grounded and totally family oriented. They all have children of their own and now they teach what they were taught and it shows through our grandchildren too.

I know we have not only been lucky to have the children we do but blessed beyond words. Sometimes I wonder if it was how we raised them or if they as individuals were very self disciplined children on their own. They seem to have always set goals and kept them. They always seemed to know that telling the truth was much better than making up a lie.

I don't know if I should take any credit for how they turned out or if they themselves deserve all the accolades.

The USMC puts out great citizens who raise more great citizens! Kudos to you and your FAMILY's service! May your heirs be blessed by your example of loyalty and dedication to your Country and our collective Rights! Xo!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Fruit loops that that need the sense of safety & security by only loving a man sentenced to death who will in all likelihood die behind bars.


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I agree with you on safety & security and would like to add one more word... CONTROL. They know where their lover is at all times and that their lover is unable to be in a population with the opposite sex so they don't have to worry about competition w other women/men (depending on sex of person wrapped up with a death row/life inmate.

 

[MeeBee]

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/The+Big+Lie

Thanks Linda, I found this. I understand now what Gecko is saying. Yeah...I am not very inclined to believe the non-medical opinion of someone coming up with unsubstantiated theories on the spot. They also link to jodiariasisinnocent as a source. The wounds in the middle of the back are stab wounds. They are the same length and shape as the other stab wounds to the front. If Jodi was holding the knife in her left hand and chopping, then the angle really doesn't make sense and proves my point.

This is in no way a credible source.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I was very much in support of Aileen Wournos, she was brought up like a disposable tissue, and then died for it.
The wounds on TS's back give credence to JA's story of being attacked by a 'linebacker' who landed on top of her. The wounds could not go deep as she had little range so they are 'across' type slashes rather than penetrative, hence the 'tail', at some point she could have inflicted the chest would in either in a standing position or lying down. Any violence associated with sex is sexual violence, for what ever reason.

Roflmao! OMG! That's hilarious..."gives credence to being attacked by a linebacker"

Roflmao!

Thud!


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[MeeBee]

Roflmao! OMG! That's hilarious..."gives credence to being attacked by a linebacker"

Roflmao!

Thud!


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It's not even Jodi's story. She said he lunged, she shot, he fell next to her, not on top of her. Did he lunge and fall again after she grabbed a knife? That is one determined man.

This is laughable...

 

[lil_buddy]

That's more than a little bizarre, don't ya think?


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Yes. Yes I do.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with you on safety & security and would like to add one more word... CONTROL. They know where their lover is at all times and that their lover is unable to be in a population with the opposite sex so they don't have to worry about competition w other women/men (depending on sex of person wrapped up with a death row/life inmate.

Agree with you on the control aspect!


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[Linda7NJ]

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/The+Big+Lie

Thanks Linda, I found this. I understand now what Gecko is saying. Yeah...I am not very inclined to believe the non-medical opinion of someone coming up with unsubstantiated theories on the spot. They also link to jodiariasisinnocent as a source. The wounds in the middle of the back are stab wounds. They are the same length and shape as the other stab wounds to the front. If Jodi was holding the knife in her left hand and chopping, then the angle really doesn't make sense and proves my point.

This is in no way a credible source.

It's just spewed propaganda for Jodi apologists and looney tunes. IMO


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[Linda7NJ]

It's not even Jodi's story. She said he lunged, she shot, he fell next to her, not on top of her. Did he lunge and fall again after she grabbed a knife? That is one determined man.

This is laughable...

talk about twisting facts to fit the lies of Jodi... That garbage can't even keep her lies straight!

Hilarious!



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[lil_buddy]

Jodi's story wasn't absurd enough. I think I shall search for a more absurd explanation for her murder.

Now if I only I knew where to look.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Can someone please talk with me about this aspect of the Arias trial and what Samuels said about Transcendental Global Amnesia?

Essentially , this amnesia is a an extreme dissociative state that borderlines go through. I'm this state they literally are not really perceiving reality properly and are delusional.

My question is, considering the parameters of pardon for the Death Penalty, one has to be in the cluster A Disorder arena and have the inability to perceive reality, which leads to delusion and insanity. We typically think only cluster A personalities are schizotypal.

But isn't extreme dissociation a schizotypal type of mechanism? And if so, should people with extreme forms of cluster B disorders be looked at more closely in terms of their proclivity for mental/emotional dissociation from reality?

So I guess what I'm asking is:

Can cluster B disorders be considered for pardon from the death penalty?