Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[TorisMom003]

Let's say Jodi got a job in Mesa. Where was she going to stay until she could save up enough money to get her own place? She had clearly worn out her welcome with folks. I mean did Jodi really expect people to buy the whole......I lived with a girl and her boyfriend who were living in sin but once they got married she decided that it didn't look right for me to live with a married couple........BS?!?! Perhaps it was the girl decided that Jodi just needed to be out of her life for good and used any excuse to get rid of her. In order for Jodi to keep her claws into Travis living with another man was out of the question.

Travis sold Jodi his car before she moved to Yreka. Perhaps his way of getting rid of her. Perhaps he told her if you move I'll sell you my car at a good deal. It would be difficult for Travis to get a new phone number since his phone was used for work a lot. Travis also did not answer her calls several times. We also have no idea what happened the day Jodi killed Travis. Travis could have tried several times to get rid of her and thought that he actually did only to have her sneak back into the house and surprise him in the shower.

 

[SMK]

The population of Mesa is over 400,000 people. The population of Phoenix is about 1.5 million.

The door was closed with a few people, but there are thousands more for her to use.

She did not hesitate to borrow money from men. She knows about that.

She knows she can hustle up other men easily. She could have lived with some other guy for quite awhile. Darryl was happy with her for a long time. He even took a pay cut to be with her. She knows her power.

She is obsessed with TA, yet she moves to CA.

And since she is in CA, TA could easily get a different phone number or even never answer her calls and texts.

When did he sell her the car? And if he wanted to ditch her, why did he keep a relationship by selling her a car with payments to him?

While she was at the house surprising him, why did he not say that he had an appointment and he had to leave in the AM? He could make up any story to get rid of her. He could say he had to go to the dr or dentist. Anything, to ditch her. Why hang around with her all day?

Just so: Good questions, but if the majority decides "case closed", you must just keep quiet about them. Sleuthing is not too encouraged here, it would seem.....As Mignini said, "case closed".

 

[SMK]

How on earth does someone that wants to extract themselves from the relationship think that calling, texting, IMing, etc the person they are "wanting to extract themselves from" is a way of doing that? One only needs to look at the records to see that Jodi got in touch with Travis a heck of a lot more than Travis got in touch with Jodi.

YES, the records would help. Is there anywhere where they can be viewed....It would be clarifying, if JA actually was calling and he was not returning the calls....or texts.....

 

[SMK]

The population of Mesa is over 400,000 people. The population of Phoenix is about 1.5 million.

The door was closed with a few people, but there are thousands more for her to use.

She did not hesitate to borrow money from men. She knows about that.

She knows she can hustle up other men easily. She could have lived with some other guy for quite awhile. Darryl was happy with her for a long time. He even took a pay cut to be with her. She knows her power.

She is obsessed with TA, yet she moves to CA.

And since she is in CA, TA could easily get a different phone number or even never answer her calls and texts.

When did he sell her the car? And if he wanted to ditch her, why did he keep a relationship by selling her a car with payments to him?

While she was at the house surprising him, why did he not say that he had an appointment and he had to leave in the AM? He could make up any story to get rid of her. He could say he had to go to the dr or dentist. Anything, to ditch her. Why hang around with her all day?

I think it is clear that he was conflicted, at least up until May 26 (and according to some , through June 4 as well...)

 

[TorisMom003]

YES, the records would help. Is there anywhere where they can be viewed....It would be clarifying, if JA actually was calling and he was not returning the calls....or texts.....

I don't think that all of them have been released. However, the ones for 6/2/08 to 6/4/08 have. I only recorded some of the calls for 6/2/08. I recorded the calls between Travis and Jodi for 6/3/08 and 6/4/08.

6/2/08
Travis called Jodi
3:04am call lasted 1011 seconds = 16.85 mins
3:21am call lasted 2450 seconds = 40.83 mins

6/3/08
Jodi called Travis
12:37pm call lasted 17 seconds
1:51pm call lasted 170 seconds = 2.83 mins
8:16pm call lasted 129 seconds = 2.15 miins
8:34pm call lasted 49 seconds
Travis never called Jodi

6/4/08
Jodi called Travis
11:37pm this was after she had killed Travis and was on her way to Utah to see Ryan B.

 

[SMK]

I don't think that all of them have been released. However, the ones for 6/2/08 to 6/4/08 have. I only recorded some of the calls for 6/2/08. I recorded the calls between Travis and Jodi for 6/3/08 and 6/4/08.

6/2/08
Travis called Jodi
3:04am call lasted 1011 seconds = 16.85 mins
3:21am call lasted 2450 seconds = 40.83 mins

6/3/08
Jodi called Travis
12:37pm call lasted 17 seconds
1:51pm call lasted 170 seconds = 2.83 mins
8:16pm call lasted 129 seconds = 2.15 miins
8:34pm call lasted 49 seconds
Travis never called Jodi

6/4/08
Jodi called Travis
11:37pm this was after she had killed Travis and was on her way to Utah to see Ryan B.

Thanks---looking them over now

 

[Cate49]

I would like everyone to read the post by Lil buddy #1365

 

[SMK]

So one long call from TA on the second, and another of 16 minutes---and then it seems the communication stops: Was Jodi simply leaving voicemail messages on the third?

 

[SMK]

I would like everyone to read the post by Lil buddy #1365.

I had been pondering that, as in, "Lie down with dogs, and you'll get up with feas".......then I wondered if it referred only to the FLEAS in the link? And I went to the link and read the definition of fleas...about as bad as the original maxim :maddening: (and just as insulting?)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Let's say Jodi got a job in Mesa. Where was she going to stay until she could save up enough money to get her own place? She had clearly worn out her welcome with folks. I mean did Jodi really expect people to buy the whole......I lived with a girl and her boyfriend who were living in sin but once they got married she decided that it didn't look right for me to live with a married couple........BS?!?! Perhaps it was the girl decided that Jodi just needed to be out of her life for good and used any excuse to get rid of her. In order for Jodi to keep her claws into Travis living with another man was out of the question.

Travis sold Jodi his car before she moved to Yreka. Perhaps his way of getting rid of her. Perhaps he told her if you move I'll sell you my car at a good deal. It would be difficult for Travis to get a new phone number since his phone was used for work a lot. Travis also did not answer her calls several times. We also have no idea what happened the day Jodi killed Travis. Travis could have tried several times to get rid of her and thought that he actually did only to have her sneak back into the house and surprise him in the shower.

When Travis and Jodi met at the convention, she was living in Yreka and Travis was in Mesa. Through their entire first courting they wee in seperate states.


It wasn't until they broke up that Jodi moved to Mesa and started cleaning for Travis to make money. And stalk him.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/jodi_arias.htm

 

[Emmi]

I would like everyone to read the post by Lil buddy #1365

Yes, Cate49. And its implication was clear. It's nice to have it so out in the open, though, where it can't do as much harm.

 

[Cate49]

Yes, Cate49. And its implication was clear. It's nice to have it so out in the open, though, where it can't do as much harm.

The post begs for some deep reflection. We all can come away feeling the power and wisdom in her profound post. Thank you lil buddy !

 

[Emmi]

How on earth does someone that wants to extract themselves from the relationship think that calling, texting, IMing, etc the person they are "wanting to extract themselves from" is a way of doing that? One only needs to look at the records to see that Jodi got in touch with Travis a heck of a lot more than Travis got in touch with Jodi.

Yes, and get in touch with her, he did. How on earth? Ask anyone who's been entangled in a sick relationship. There was a good post a couple pages back about the power of denial.

 

[Emmi]

Yes, Cate49. And its implication was clear. It's nice to have it so out in the open, though, where it can't do as much harm.

The post begs for some deep reflection. We all can come away feeling the power and wisdom in her profound post. Thank you lil buddy !

What I felt, after deep reflection, was a single flea bite. Ouch! But, thankfully, it was only one ... And, the link was was an enlightening piece of information, though its original intent was to insult and bully others into being quiet.

 

[SMK]

What I felt, after deep reflection, was a single flea bite. Ouch! But, thankfully, it was only one ... And, the link was was an enlightening piece of information, though its original intent was to insult and bully others into being quiet.

aptly stated :clap:

 

[Sydni]

Could be, the 'stab' wounds on his back are superficial slashing wounds that could only be accomplished by someone lying on top of another. The wound shapes are consistent with that because they have a 'tail'. All the wounds were superficial except for 3. None of those wounds except for 3 could have been fatal. If her intention was to kill, she had much better opportunities to do so without a hellishly gory fight. He was photographed sleeping at one point, that's when I would have struck, no mess no clean-up quick escape.
She went to an awful lot of trouble to carry out a pre-meditated murder and made some very silly mistakes for an above average intelligence creative person.
It's really not the behaviour of pre-planned psychopath, those are very cold and swiftly carried out, it's part of the thrill of high risk taking. I could not in all honesty see JA as a thrill seeking sexual psychopath acting out a fantasy.
I can only think that a fight took place, for whatever reason and that JA defended herself. There are some great resources available to discover the differences between stabbing and 'chopping slashes' - one produces a tail and the other does not.
I am not trying to defend her, I just need more information than we are given by television pundits and innuendo.

How much more info do you need besides the "proven" premeditated Murder 1 conviction along with aggravated (especially cruel) circumstances) ???

C'mon ... there was NO self defense case here. This was a brutal (intentional) slaughter of another human being. End of discussion. Geesh! IMO ... I just don't get where you're coming from? But that's just me.

 

[Sydni]

I think if Jodi premeditated the murder, she would want to:
a. get it over with clean and quickly before roommate/neighbors could intervene and
b. leave a clean crime scene--no mess, no fingerprints, no pics

Therefore, something had to have gone wrong. I don't think she stabbed him sadistically - I think she did so in a panic, because the gun shot had not worked, and she was afraid if she did not finish him off quickly, he would scream for neighbors or a room mate.

I think she was probably intent on killing him so she could move on.
He was clueless as to how much she was hoping for marriage.

She wanted him to suffer ...... the evidence and crime scene shows that! There is no question. This was not meant to be a "soft kill". This was meant for her victim to feel EVERY bit of pain she could possibly inflict on him. She is an evil, vial, disgusting piece of ...............

 

[christee]

Just so: Good questions, but if the majority decides "case closed", you must just keep quiet about them. Sleuthing is not too encouraged here, it would seem.....As Mignini said, "case closed".

Sleuthing IS encouraged :cheer:
Baiting is not :drama: :notgood:

JMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

People in dysfunctional relationships get something out of them. It may not be what we would like, but the good they see outweighs the bad. And I mean the "good " to them.

How many times have I heard, "But I love him/her", and wonder what it is that they love.

Neither JA or TA was getting anything affirming out of the relationship that I can see.

She clung to him even though he treated her like dirt. And he kept up with her even though he was miserable about her.

Some people do get out of bad relationships. It is really difficult because if you tell a friend to get out, the friend will choose the loser over you.

It seems to work better if it is a stranger who tells them.

JA is more than just a 50% portion of a "bad relationship"......she is profoundly BPD w/overlap...comorbidity. JA is severely personality disordered. She will always have attachment issues, emotional instability, rage, stories filled with lies, unstable sense of self, emptiness, and a distinct fear of abandonment. JA is a shark but wearing lipstick. She will glorify another person one minute and quickly thereafter vilify them over some perceived slight.
There will always be drama encircling JA. There will always be a "blood-bath" of sorts.

MOO.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I agree that Travis was not likely to want to have sex with her that final day. i think he was truly done with her. she sneaked in is what i have always believed. but the photos were date and time stamped -right-?-so they had to have been taken that final day. they are all single subject photos. him alone nude or her alone nude. none of them together. so i don't think they had sex. he doesn't look pleased in any of the photos.

Speaking from personal experience, I have NEVER seen a man refuse sex due to emotional goobly-goo.
If one is throwing it their way (so to speak) and there is a history of good chemistry in that department then well, you know........:blushing: