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What Psychological Disorder do you think Jodi may have?


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I believe that best would be if each parent worked half time. Then mother would have an outside interest and Dad would be with the kids as well.

Breast feeding is best for many months of life, so mother is kind of stuck. Pumping, yes. But, that is difficult.

In France, a nurse comes to the home for several months to help. We think our way is the only way, but it sure is not the way it is in other countries.

I know some people may be daycare providers on here or people may have to use them, but no one loves the child as a parent does. Providing the parent is not a psycho!
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  • #1,643
This is from Wiki, but I feel it totally addresses the nature/nurture debate.

There is no doubt in my mind that nurture makes all of the difference in the world.

This article even discusses how stress can cause personality disorders.

Early childhood stress and neurobiological effects - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, trauma, abandonment, and stress can cause brain chemistry changes, personality changes, neurological changes. Excellent, and massively, hugely important.
 
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I also identify with this:

In my 20s despite the fact that I was lucky to actually look physically very feminine and attractive, I did not FEEL it at all, and often when dressed in nice sexy dresses and with makeup and hair done, felt I was somehow "deceiving" men who told me I was alluring ("He actually thinks I'm a real girl!")----I attribute this to being raised by a feminist mother who hated the "Daddy's little girl" thing and encouraged me to be boyish. But yes, it led to certain traits I would call quasi-sociopathic : Wanting to dominate men and one-up them, and being fully unable to "play the game" with them. Would be interesting to know if Jodi had any of this in her upbringing.

Thanks for your brutal honesty, SMK. When I tried to say something similar in previous posts, I wasn't met with much reception.
Yes, JA could have been seeking a revenge of sorts. 'Beating them at their own game with "tricks" of manipulation. When it failed, it enraged her BPD self.
 
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Thanks for your brutal honesty, SMK. When I tried to say something similar in previous posts, I wasn't met with much reception.
Yes, JA could have been seeking a revenge of sorts. 'Beating them at their own game with "tricks" of manipulation. When it failed, it enraged her BPD self.
Well I do understand this sort of manipulation, which in someone like myself- and perhaps Arias? - came from a lack of feminine empowerment or lack of feeling feminine or in any way confident in one's femininity. And yes, her rage may have escalated when she had done everything to "woman herself up" and Travis was still treating her like a guy ( sex-buddy, but no one to be in love with or marry; it came across loud and clear on the phone tape).....
 
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Well I do understand this sort of manipulation, which in someone like myself- and perhaps Arias? - came from a lack of feminine empowerment or lack of feeling feminine or in any way confident in one's femininity. And yes, her rage may have escalated when she had done everything to "woman herself up" and Travis was still treating her like a guy ( sex-buddy, but no one to be in love with or marry; it came across loud and clear on the phone tape).....

In a way I think I get where you're coming from, if Arias had followed 'the rules' and not 'chased' Travis so much perhaps he would have treated her differently. Chasing him, and humiliating herself by hiding behind the christmas tree for instance, and otherwise exposing her own desperation no doubt fed into her rage.
 
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In a way I think I get where you're coming from, if Arias had followed 'the rules' and not 'chased' Travis so much perhaps he would have treated her differently. Chasing him, and humiliating herself by hiding behind the christmas tree for instance, and otherwise exposing her own desperation no doubt fed into her rage.
Yes, its as if she did not know the "rules of the game" when acting with men; she had no "feminine instincts", as it were, and to play on Paglia's essay, was "acting like a drag queen".
 
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Yes, its as if she did not know the "rules of the game" when acting with men; she had no "feminine instincts", as it were, and to play on Paglia's essay, was "acting like a drag queen".

Everything she did was guaranteed to drive him away, it was obvious, yet she couldn't see it.
 
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Jodi Arias, imo, is crazy. Maybe it's more PC to say she is sick, but she enjoys herself so much that when I look at her, I just think "crazy!" And her mental problems are hard to pity because she makes everyone around her crazy- crazy with grief, crazy with anger, crazy with exhaustion. I see no humanity in her, especially when she continues to trash Travis and shill her 'Survivor'
t-shirts... when she brags about her 'art' and her plans for a 'book club'... I wanted to jump through the TV, grab her by the throat and just scream in her face "B*TCH! No one cares about prison recycling and sign language right now! No one cares to hear how you won't get to see your sister married when Travis's family is sitting a few feet away, and you can't even once say "I AM SORRY"?? After Steven's nightmares, how he constantly thinks of the suffering Travis went through, all because of YOU??" Her craziness has infected those who loved Travis by putting them through pure mental torture, imo. And through it all- she has no remorse, ever. And still doing interviews, saying she may write a book, it's like she'll never go away for this family! Like a monster in a horror movie! We all know she'll never shut up, she will do anything for media attention and she WILL enjoy her life in prison, if she is spared. She is evil and I hope she ends up on death row.
 
  • #1,650
There seems to be an increase in the rate of female perpetrated violence. Not equal to rates of male violence. What could be the cause of increase in Women?

that was the topic today on tv, (i didn't hear the conclusion) they were discussing the latest gory case, the woman who killed her boyfriend with her high heeled shoe, punturing his head numerous times. More stress in our environment? Poor coping skills? She's also claiming self defense.
i looked up personality and mental disorders, came upon schizophrenia and -paranoia. i think jodi has some paranoia. it also mentioned the paranoid sometimes have magical thinking. She had that too, according to darryl brewer.
I'd like to know more about the situation when jodie was a teen and was threatened with a knife by a stranger. I believe her brother said it was very traumatic for her.
 
  • #1,651
And I will add most emphatically that I agree 100% with Dr. DeMarte that JA is primarily BPD and will add with overlap/comorbidity. It is very obvious if you've been around a BPD or have experience/education regarding it. It is as clear as a bell.
What many laypeople don't understand is the overlap/comorbidity part. What that means is that there are co-existing personality disorders that rear their ugly heads from time to time in someone that has a PD because they have learned what works for them under specific situations. So, with JA who has a primary dx of BPD, you will (from time to time) see Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Hystrionic Personality Disorder, & Schizotypal Personality Disorder. They will intermingle/coexist/function together.
It is rare not to see this occur in people with Personality Disorders.
Professionals do not get confused on this. It's pretty "easy-peasy".

moo
maybe in the future someone will interview her in jail and write a book all about her life. It sure would be interesting to know how she became a murderess.
 
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maybe in the future someone will interview her in jail and write a book all about her life. It sure would be interesting to know how she became a murderess.

And not only that, but a SAVAGE, HEINOUS murderer. I mean, did Eileen Wournos or whatever her name is even kill like that? I know she killed a lot, but I think she iced them and was done with it, bless their souls. :moo:
 
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As a teacher, we had classes on cortisol and the effects on children. We were taught methods to deal with the issues.

For instance, some teens look at an accidental bump as an aggressive move. This is something that can be discussed and dealt with.

Daycare may have a high cortisol effect.

I worked with young children and accidentally found something that made a huge difference. It was "fake mother" .

I would take a picture of the mother ( I worked with people in poverty so many were single mothers).

I laminated the picture and gave it to the child to hold. That seemed to calm them a lot. Whenever I found it , I would go put it back in the child's locker. Throughout the day, children would take out the picture, then leave it when comforted. Normally, I expect children to take care of their own possessions, but in this case, I took care of it for them as I did not want "mother" to get lost.

Another thing I learned was that children that need something are the only ones who will need it.

For example, I did not allow any toys from home, except sometimes. Sometimes a chid needed some stuffed animal or other comfort thing. I would explain to the children that so an so needed the object because s/he was sad or whatever. The other children accepted it and the next day may have brought their own object.

The children who did not need their object quickly forgot about it and the others were not even interested.

We also had pads with little bumps on them for children to sit in. Or objects to squeeze if they were upset. There are all kinds of strategies to lower cortisol.

Wow Thanks for this gem of info! So insightful.
 
  • #1,655
Well I do understand this sort of manipulation, which in someone like myself- and perhaps Arias? - came from a lack of feminine empowerment or lack of feeling feminine or in any way confident in one's femininity. And yes, her rage may have escalated when she had done everything to "woman herself up" and Travis was still treating her like a guy ( sex-buddy, but no one to be in love with or marry; it came across loud and clear on the phone tape).....

AND this would explain her jealousy with other women as she may feel they get more male attention or Travis's attention bc they were more confident in their feminine form.

Rather than it being penis envy, would it be vagina envy on Jodi's part? Lol sorry to put it that way - only way I could explain it.
 
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And not only that, but a SAVAGE, HEINOUS murderer. I mean, did Eileen Wournos or whatever her name is even kill like that? I know she killed a lot, but I think she iced them and was done with it, bless their souls. :moo:
I've always wondered, though, if she didn't intend to kill him neatly with a gun in the shower, and then that didn't work and the savageness came from the panic of chasing around a staggering man who was trying to alert room mates or neighbors. Knowing how close neighbors and room mates were, and the possibility of leaving blood and evidence seems to me that savagery was NOT part of her original plan.....
 
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And I will add most emphatically that I agree 100% with Dr. DeMarte that JA is primarily BPD and will add with overlap/comorbidity. It is very obvious if you've been around a BPD or have experience/education regarding it. It is as clear as a bell.
What many laypeople don't understand is the overlap/comorbidity part. What that means is that there are co-existing personality disorders that rear their ugly heads from time to time in someone that has a PD because they have learned what works for them under specific situations. So, with JA who has a primary dx of BPD, you will (from time to time) see Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Hystrionic Personality Disorder, & Schizotypal Personality Disorder. They will intermingle/coexist/function together.
It is rare not to see this occur in people with Personality Disorders.
Professionals do not get confused on this. It's pretty "easy-peasy".

moo

Agree 100%. People seem unwilling to believe she could be anything but a sociopath/ASPD either because they want to believe that or they don't understand BPD.
 
  • #1,658
2Hip2: it would be interesting to see if psychopathic, anti-social behavior and agression can/have been treated with hormone therapy. Found reference the use of injection Medroxyprogesterone for above mentioned behaviors. It would concern me that hormone treatments could cause hormone sensitive cancers.

Great point about the hormone sensitive cancers!

Maybe there is a mixture of medication therapy and cognitive behavioral therapy that would help.

Thus instead of flushing the patient with cortisol and risking cancerous side effect, there could be a cortisol catalyst with mid-low level doses and the behavioral therapy will be more effective as the patient will be more open to therapy once cortisol is catalyzed. These methods used in the preschool that human brought up interested me from the cognitive behavioral therapy standpoint. Could adults with low cortisol benefit from some exercise that benefits normal social response/behavior?

Pretty cool points everyone is building together! Morning :)
 
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Agree 100%. People seem unwilling to believe she could be anything but a sociopath/ASPD either because they want to believe that or they don't understand BPD.

I agree with you in the context of diagnosing her using the DSM.

I think, at least for me, the problem lies with the DSM and the desire for most to want to place her in one neat little box.

Here in the USA (IMO) most laypersons use sociopath and ASPD interchangeably as if they are the same.

I prefer to instead use the term, not found in the DSM, of "psychopath" because it fits her best and because I too prefer a nice neat little box.
 
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Agree 100%. People seem unwilling to believe she could be anything but a sociopath/ASPD either because they want to believe that or they don't understand BPD.

I'm BPD. My best friend is BPD. Jodi seems BPD bc the justice system has found a loophole in diagnosing female sexual psychopaths and pedophile as BPD to get them off of their "bad teacher" punishment (those pedophile female teachers who seduced their male students were diagnosed as BPD!). Look at the record of BPD and notice it is a MOOD disorder* that causes one to deviate from deoendent to avoidant behavior usually brought on by PTSD. If anyone had true BPD, it was Travis - not Jodi. It was a mistake for the state to claim BPD, but they had to work off the BS the defense was throwing out about Jodi having PTSD bc of abuse by Travis. So what does the state do? They run with the PTSd diagnosis the defense made and said "well Jodi only has PTSD bc she is borderline and borderline is a PTSD related disorder".... As if the state couldn't prove the APD's experience symptoms of stress and anxiety. The state, and justice system in general, needs to stop overusing the BPD diagnosis with female APD offenders. It is misleading and unfair.

She's mirroring Travis now, her victim - something narcissistic psychopaths are very talented at.

Trust me. I live BPD. I know BPD. She is NOT BPD. As soon as the state and defense started with the BPD, my best friend and I called each other and said "yup another female no one, not even professionals, want to accept is a psychopath". Most abuse victims are diagnosed BPD - does the state not understand this?????? !

If Jodi were BPD, she'd be crying and saying she were sorry so profusely and dramatically and probably would have actually attempted suicide multiple times.

She didn't have remorse when apologizing to Travis's family. APD's are notorious for being unapologetic and it is practically their trademark - their lack of remorse.

Horace, can you tell me the difference between BPD and APD in women?
 
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