POLL: How Will This Case End?

[LambChop]

Logicalgirl,

FYI......I have a pillow here waiting to cushion your drop from shock!! :crazy:

The tide definitely appears to me to be changing. A familiar poster on other forums, who has spent the last two and a half years pushing a pro-defense stance, engaging others in a debate of the evidence documents, and adamantly stating that the defense WOULD win an aquittal, appears to be now backing away and conceding in numerous posts that they expect a conviction in this case, due to a lack of financial support from JAC.

Wonder if this is going to be the defense/Anthony excuse for a plea.....no way KC could put on a fair defense wit JAC working against her?

Hmmm....:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

But if KC had gone with a public defender in the beginning the trial would be over with by now because if they would not find any evidence that KC was not responsible for what has happened to her daughter and they would have gone forward, worked a deal, whatever. Because she has JB, he thinks he can keep this hunt for what is obviously not there up forever.

According to JB over $100,000 was already spent on experts and investigators obviously without the results they wanted. Now they expect the state to be chasing down more information that just does not exist. She is not entitled to keep looking forever for someone to pin her crime on. This, in itself, is a crime on innocent private citizens. And if I were living in Orlando now I would be outraged.

JB put your big boy panties on and tell KC the truth. We've run out of options and KC needs to make a decision on what she wants to do from here on out. But the doors keep closing, one right after another. jmo

 

[cyberborg]

Straight to trail. Chances at jury going along with SODDI (read; Roy Kronk) too tempting to give up, as are the chances to appeal in future. Also no trial = no Celebrity Time for Casey / Baez / et al. I can't see either one agreeing that they have no shot or that they should just slip away from whence they came (Oops, that's right, that's a lifetime of boredom and bad TV for Casey) ... this may also be her last chance in life to ever ride in a car, sit in a room, dress in civvies, or socialise ever again.

And let's not forget that a trial will be 'ooooh so exciting' and pretty much 'all about meeeee.....' she wont give that up. IMO

I agree.

ICA is facing LIFE IMO whether she pleads no contest, takes a plea deal or, goes to trial so why not enjoy her notorious moment in the public spotlight at the trial of the century. Unlike LE, FBI, SA, JAC ... ICA may think the Jury (her people) are on her side.

It is a good thing for the Jose Baez Law Firm as well. For as much as the Defense is seen as lame and he takes flack that translates into on-going free publicity, so not only is he building his business but also he is establishing a presence in the media.

It is a win-win for folks like JB and ICA.

That isn't to say that during trial before the Jury goes out to deliberate that ICA won't go Nolo or plea out.

 

[logicalgirl]

Logicalgirl,

FYI......I have a pillow here waiting to cushion your drop from shock!! :crazy:

The tide definitely appears to me to be changing. A familiar poster on other forums, who has spent the last two and a half years pushing a pro-defense stance, engaging others in a debate of the evidence documents, and adamantly stating that the defense WOULD win an aquittal, appears to be now backing away and conceding in numerous posts that they expect a conviction in this case, due to a lack of financial support from JAC.

Wonder if this is going to be the defense/Anthony excuse for a plea.....no way KC could put on a fair defense wit JAC working against her?

Hmmm....:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Thanks for the pillow - lol - I did a testrun and it's pretty comfy. Having given all the hmmm's some thought - :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec: I'm thinking you could very well be right.

Say - are you talking about XYZ who's been pushing the pro-defense stance? :woohoo:

What I think may have been one of the real defining points in the last week or so to turn the tide toward a nolo deal, was the JAC, who wrote the real ython: on Baez's big plans for his out-of-state experts. No way will Baez be out of pocket for their expenses - he can't even pay his own.:banghead:

I also can see his lack of work over the last two years has resulted in quite the case of :nerves: and I'm positive the experts he has brought in under "false" financial promises have had a word or two with him recently.:slap:

Baez has just filed a motion asking for clarification on how much experts can be paid - and isn't he actually asking how?:boohoo:

So I'll be all settled in on Friday just waiting opcorn: to see just how jittery he is and what he thinks he can get away with. I'm expecting a lot of "no way Jose"'s from the Judge. :shakehead: :biglaugh:

 

[LambChop]

Thanks for the pillow - lol - I did a testrun and it's pretty comfy. Having given all the hmmm's some thought - :waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec: I'm thinking you could very well be right.

Say - are you talking about XYZ who's been pushing the pro-defense stance? :woohoo:

What I think may have been one of the real defining points in the last week or so to turn the tide toward a nolo deal, was the JAC, who wrote the real ython: on Baez's big plans for his out-of-state experts. No way will Baez be out of pocket for their expenses - he can't even pay his own.:banghead:

I also can see his lack of work over the last two years has resulted in quite the case of :nerves: and I'm positive the experts he has brought in under "false" financial promises have had a word or two with him recently.:slap:

Baez has just filed a motion asking for clarification on how much experts can be paid - and isn't he actually asking how?:boohoo:

So I've be all settled in on Friday just waiting opcorn: to see just how jittery he is and what he thinks he can get away with. I'm expecting a lot of "no way Jose"'s from the Judge. :shakehead: :biglaugh:

And I suppose they will want "crab puffs" with their dinners.

 

[LinasK]

I dont think you can Alford plea a first degree murder case, but I do not know for sure.

Look up Jill Rockcastle case in Nevada. I think she did...

Oops, sorry, it was 2nd degree murder: On Tuesday, Rockcastle was sentenced to life in prison for Gustafik's fatal stabbing.
She will be eligible for parole after 10 years as a result of a plea to a second-degree murder charge.
<snip>
She entered an Alford plea, meaning that she didn't admit guilt but conceded that prosecutors could prove the case against her.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/34731359.html

 

[grammieto5]

I agree.

ICA is facing LIFE IMO whether she pleads no contest, takes a plea deal or, goes to trial so why not enjoy her notorious moment in the public spotlight at the trial of the century. Unlike LE, FBI, SA, JAC ... ICA may think the Jury (her people) are on her side.

It is a good thing for the Jose Baez Law Firm as well. For as much as the Defense is seen as lame and he takes flack that translates into on-going free publicity, so not only is he building his business but also he is establishing a presence in the media.

It is a win-win for folks like JB and ICA.

That isn't to say that during trial before the Jury goes out to deliberate that ICA won't go Nolo or plea out.

What is the very latest KC can do a plea?

 

[drip~drop]

Yesterday I would have voted "straight to trial", however, after reading that the defense cancelled Jesse and Richard Grund's depos scheduled for today, I am changing my mind. I'm going to vote "no contest."

http://www.wftv.com/news/25513060/detail.html


IMO, if the defense isn't ready to take depositions from these two by now, they're not even trying to get ready for trial.

I can not believe they cancelled the Grunds. These folks should have been deposed 2 years ago as it is.

:loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:
IMO

 

[cyberborg]

What is the very latest KC can do a plea?

IIRC up until the Jury announces it has a verdict and is ready to return.

It will be too late if SA think they presented a strong case though ... it only works if there is some doubt which way it will go and the accused caves.

 

[grammieto5]

IIRC up until the Jury announces it has a verdict and is ready to return.

It will be too late if SA think they presented a strong case though ... it only works if there is some doubt which way it will go and the accused caves.

OK thanks, well I've always thought she would do a plea, which is fine, I just hope she waits until the very last minute, I want to see a trial, I don't care if she gets the DP or life in prison, as long as she can never be free! I am a bit concerned she will be able to successfully appeal because of JB.

 

[cyberborg]

OK thanks, well I've always thought she would do a plea, which is fine, I just hope she waits until the very last minute, I want to see a trial, I don't care if she gets the DP or life in prison, as long as she can never be free! I am a bit concerned she will be able to successfully appeal because of JB.

BBM. Agreed. I think that's the main Defense strategy, to try to establish as many opportunities as possible for appeal, via motions hoping that one or two fly. It could force a mistrial and a chance to drag this on even longer.

The Defense knows they have a losing hand so are dragging their feet and trying to cause a mis-step.

This plays into this thread and how this case will end ... it will not really end until any and all appeals are exhausted. A saving grace for ICA ... she is found Guilty but the retort is ... they have grounds and a very compelling appeal.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

BBM. Agreed. I think that's the main Defense strategy, to try to establish as many opportunities as possible for appeal, via motions hoping that one or two fly. It could force a mistrial and a chance to drag this on even longer.

The Defense knows they have a losing hand so are dragging their feet and trying to cause a mis-step.

This plays into this thread and how this case will end ... it will not really end until any and all appeals are exhausted. A saving grace for ICA ... she is found Guilty but the retort is ... they have grounds and a very compelling appeal.

I don't think the legal pros here hold out much hope for her appeals though! Thankfully.

 

[Just Jayla]

...in a big, burning pile of donkey dung. This case is a hot mess.

 

[believe09]

Every case I have seen, including the original, concerns death penalty cases that were Alford Plea'd down to second degree murder. Everything I read about nolo contendre and alford pleas indicate that some states do not allow for them in certain cases.

I cannot find out specifically for FL, and would love a legal eagle to weigh in....

 

[Coldpizza]

Which is exactly one of the reasons why I think they may be able to convince KC that a no contest is her best option....

I am also starting to wonder if there is not some communication going on behind the scenes of a possible change of plea or plea agreement negotations as an explanation as to why we are LONG OVERDUE for the release of documents that the defense has received long ago.

If a plea agreement or change of plea were to happen, the case would end there. I don't think we would ever see these documents released AFTER the case concludes...

...so is there a possibility these doc dumps are being temporarily suspended until the defense (or SA) makes a final decision?

BTW....not being from FLA, what is the procedure for public doc dumps and time frames for release after defense has received documents?

Sorry if this has been asked before. If Nolo happens is the DP automatically off the table?

Personally I would like it to go" Straight to trial " with LWOP so ICA can suffer.

Unfortunately, Caylee is gone forever and so many lives are ruined. There is no good ending here.

The selfish part of me wants it to go to trial and have it aired everywhere and live so we can see every squirming moment from ICA to JB et all.:angel:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Every case I have seen, including the original, concerns death penalty cases that were Alford Plea'd down to second degree murder. Everything I read about nolo contendre and alford pleas indicate that some states do not allow for them in certain cases.

I cannot find out specifically for FL, and would love a legal eagle to weigh in....

http://www.floridabar.org/TFB/TFBResources.nsf/Attachments/BDFE1551AD291A3F85256B29004BF892/$FILE/Criminal.pdf?OpenElement

PDF Page 54

 

[logicalgirl]

Sorry if this has been asked before. If Nolo happens is the DP automatically off the table?

Personally I would like it to go" Straight to trial " with LWOP so ICA can suffer.

Unfortunately, Caylee is gone forever and so many lives are ruined. There is no good ending here.

The selfish part of me wants it to go to trial and have it aired everywhere and live so we can see every squirming moment from ICA to JB et all.:angel:

Let me give you a fast answer that I think might be true, but this is no legal mind talking here - those in the know will give you that.

I can't imagine a defendant agreeing to a plea of nolo if the penalty is death.
Why not go to trial and take your chances?

 

[countzero]

It would not shock me at all if during the presentation of Calyee's autopsy photos and Dr G's testimony that both CA and GA stand up and claim they were all involved ... claiming Calyee died accidentally and everything they said prior was a lie. The lie part would be true.

Seriously, I think once ICA is made aware of the manner in which the SAO will present the case, she will fold. Even JB can't sugar coat the SAO witnesses. And who, other than defense paid forensic scientists, are going to be witnesses for ICA? Surely ICA watched Discovery Health and Dr G. at least once. ICA got a shear glimse of what Jeff can deliver at a hearing already. Dr. G and Jeff together should be reason enough for her to fold.

And if JB does hold back on how the trial will proceed, ICA's anger and frustration will get the best of her within minutes of it starting. She won't be able to control herself listening to the opening statement the SAO will give. HHJP will want to mussel her immediately. She be clinching fists and all; never mind the eye poking routine.

 

[Coldpizza]

It would not shock me at all if during the presentation of Calyee's autopsy photos and Dr G's testimony that both CA and GA stand up and claim they were all involved ... claiming Calyee died accidentally and everything they said prior was a lie. The lie part would be true.

Seriously, I think once ICA is made aware of the manner in which the SAO will present the case, she will fold. Even JB can't sugar coat the SAO witnesses. And who, other than defense paid forensic scientists, are going to be witnesses for ICA? Surely ICA watched Discovery Health and Dr G. at least once. ICA got a shear glimse of what Jeff can deliver at a hearing already. Dr. G and Jeff together should be reason enough for her to fold.

And if JB does hold back on how the trial will proceed, ICA's anger and frustration will get the best of her within minutes of it starting. She won't be able to control herself listening to the opening statement the SAO will give. HHJP will want to mussel her immediately. She be clinching fists and all; never mind the eye poking routine.

Wow, I cant believe I am going to disagree here let alone post my thoughts. The Caylee forum is full of great minds including yourself Countzero.

BBM

I just question this happening. There is no way IMO Cindy would end up being the martyr here and go down in flames to take the heat for ICA. Nor would she "let" George. I see where you are going with this. Is it cause for a mistrial? Is it tainting the jury into doubt? Possibly. I'm beginning to question my thoughts as I type this.

Surely the Prosecution will anticipate this sort of move and have for a long time knowing Cindy's involvement as far as (wrong hair brush and washing certain clothes).

Honestly I see ICA folding and blaming her parents and a twist happening with a huge "involuntary blurt out" in court that of course the Judge will admonish the Jury to disregard.

 

[tygomuk]

Actually Alford himself stood accused of 1st degree murder. North Carolina v. Alford, 400 U.S. 25 (1970)

 

[tygomuk]

And it was a DP case. Alford Plea is utilized in Fla.