Poll: was Patsy involved?

[icedtea4me]

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Patsy is on record saying she never visited the basement on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, and that the house keeper relocated the paint-tote days before.*snip*

Are you sure she said she never visited the basement on Christmas Eve because in DoI in the You Need Christmas More Than Anyone chapter, she talks about being in the basement laundry room on Christmas Eve night.

 

[BoldBear]

Well, if Patsy says she didn't touch the paint tote, then she must have not have touched the paint tote. We need to unconditionally trust her word here. Neither she or John have any reason to lie.

How about we apply a certain amount of doubt to what John and Patsy have said.

 

[andreww]

Are you sure she said she never visited the basement on Christmas Eve because in DoI in the You Need Christmas More Than Anyone chapter, she talks about being in the basement laundry room on Christmas Eve night.

Unless you are going to tell me she wore the same outfit on the 24th, 25th, & 26th, her being in the basement on the 24th doesn't matter. I believe that somewhere she said that she never had worn that sweater while painting, so how did the fibres get in the tote?

 

[UKGuy]

Are you sure she said she never visited the basement on Christmas Eve because in DoI in the You Need Christmas More Than Anyone chapter, she talks about being in the basement laundry room on Christmas Eve night.

icedtea4me,
Nope, I'm not sure. I think I tossed in Christmas Eve since I could not remember whether she said she never visited on Christmas Day and on Christmas Eve.

Still her fibers are all over locations where they should not really be, and no explanation is on offer?

Looks to me as if the parents did the staging, with one of them assaulting JonBenet internally with the paintbrush?

The reason I'm thinking this is that Coroner Meyer sought a second opinion on a result he had announced verbatim earlier that day, he was also accepting another opinion prior to any lab results being returned. This suggests he was wanting confirmation on something he was confident had taken place?


So on the stand I would expect Coroner Meyer to opine that JonBenet had been sexually assaulted by someones finger and by the paintbrush handle?

There is the possibility that the missing piece of the paintbrush was intentionally left inside JonBenet?

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[UKGuy]

Well, if Patsy says she didn't touch the paint tote, then she must have not have touched the paint tote. We need to unconditionally trust her word here. Neither she or John have any reason to lie.

How about we apply a certain amount of doubt to what John and Patsy have said.

BoldBear,
According to BPD fibers from both JR and PR were found on JonBenet. These fiber deposits were in locations accessible only in the commission of a felony, e.g. fibers embedded in the ligature knotting and those from JR on JonBenet's groin, beneath what many think are clean on size-12's.

All this is consistent with the parents cleaning up and redressing JonBenet and staging her homicide in the basement?

This was the best they could do, they were always going to have to explain away her death, so she was relocated from the primary crime-scene to the basement, and its quite likely the parents iterated over a few staging scenarios until they decided the ransom note and wine-cellar location was optimal?

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[EtherealMoonRose]

BoldBear,
According to BPD fibers from both JR and PR were found on JonBenet. These fiber deposits were in locations accessible only in the commission of a felony, e.g. fibers embedded in the ligature knotting and those from JR on JonBenet's groin, beneath what many think are clean on size-12's.

All this is consistent with the parents cleaning up and redressing JonBenet and staging her homicide in the basement?

This was the best they could do, they were always going to have to explain away her death, so she was relocated from the primary crime-scene to the basement, and its quite likely the parents iterated over a few staging scenarios until they decided the ransom note and wine-cellar location was optimal?

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That evidence is pretty incriminating IMO. So why weren't they charged?!

 

[Tadpole12]

icedtea4me,
Nope, I'm not sure. I think I tossed in Christmas Eve since I could not remember whether she said she never visited on Christmas Day and on Christmas Eve.

Still her fibers are all over locations where they should not really be, and no explanation is on offer?

Looks to me as if the parents did the staging, with one of them assaulting JonBenet internally with the paintbrush?

The reason I'm thinking this is that Coroner Meyer sought a second opinion on a result he had announced verbatim earlier that day, he was also accepting another opinion prior to any lab results being returned. This suggests he was wanting confirmation on something he was confident had taken place?


So on the stand I would expect Coroner Meyer to opine that JonBenet had been sexually assaulted by someones finger and by the paintbrush handle?

There is the possibility that the missing piece of the paintbrush was intentionally left inside JonBenet?

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UK

I question the mechanics of that action.
Questioning the pincer like grip you would need to insert an object of 5.2 in.

"JonBenet had been sexually assaulted by someones finger and by the paintbrush handle?" - UKGuy

 

[Tadpole12]

*****

 

[icedtea4me]

Unless you are going to tell me she wore the same outfit on the 24th, 25th, & 26th, her being in the basement on the 24th doesn't matter. I believe that somewhere she said that she never had worn that sweater while painting, so how did the fibres get in the tote?

Oh, goodness gracious! How dare I have the audacity to correct a BDI!

 

[Rott Mom]

Oh, goodness gracious! How dare I have the audacity to correct a BDI!

Stop - let's not get "snarky". We are all entitled to our opinion. Please everyone, let's tone it down - nobody has no idea what happened.

"Can We All Just Along"?

 

[UKGuy]

Stop - let's not get "snarky". We are all entitled to our opinion. Please everyone, let's tone it down - nobody has no idea what happened.

"Can We All Just Along"?

Rott Mom,
That's the right sentiment, the majority of members are signed up, some try to play the player and not the ball, or in latin, they go Ad Hominem.

I've been here a few years and notice the ad hominem protagonists leave once they see their rhetoric produces no results.

On your previous post:

That evidence is pretty incriminating IMO. So why weren't they charged?!

Precisely because the case is BDI. All those years ago BR was beneath the age of criminal responsibility when JonBenet was killed.

Also, as per the Autopsy Report, there is the uncertainty regarding who actually killed JonBenet, i.e. was it the asphyxiation or the head blow, or a combination of the two as suggested in the AR?

The way I see it the case has been legally covered up, despite all involved knowing, more or less, who did what.

Only JR could now be charged with anything, so who is going to draw back the Law Enforcement Curtain and reveal the emperors new clothes?

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[andreww]

Oh, goodness gracious! How dare I have the audacity to correct a BDI!

Not sure what got your panties in a bunch. You offered up the point that Patsy was in the basement on the 24th. My point is that Patsy's presence in the basement is immaterial, its the presence of her sweater in the basement that is, because the fibres were found there. And FYI, I am not tied to BDI. I certainly am RDI but I don't think a case against any of them can be made without a load of speculation.

 

[BBB167893]

That evidence is pretty incriminating IMO. So why weren't they charged?!

You want the short version or the long one?

 

[BBB167893]

Stop - let's not get "snarky". We are all entitled to our opinion. Please everyone, let's tone it down - nobody has no idea what happened.

"Can We All Just Along"?

Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?

 

[EtherealMoonRose]

You want the short version or the long one?

Short one will do

 

[BBB167893]

Short one will do

1) The DA couldn't prosecute a dog for chasing a cat.

2) Money, money, money.

3) Who would you charge with what? Without a confession, each Ramsey was built in reasonable doubt for the other.

 

[singularity]

3) Who would you charge with what? Without a confession, each Ramsey was built in reasonable doubt for the other.

I'd go one step further....

Even with a confession, you've got a brand new mountain to climb. One of the main players being dead makes the climb much more steep.

Any confession creates a whole new list of questions and the list of questions would be much longer than the list of answers coming from a confession.

 

[BBB167893]

I'd go one step further....

Even with a confession, you've got a brand new mountain to climb. One of the main players being dead makes the climb much more steep.

There is that. Sadly, Dr. Rusty Morris was quite correct: the case died with Patsy.

Any confession creates a whole new list of questions and the list of questions would be much longer than the list of answers coming from a confession.

I'm interested in how you mean that, singularity. For me, I'd be content to live with some small mysteries.

 

[EtherealMoonRose]

I'd go one step further....

Even with a confession, you've got a brand new mountain to climb. One of the main players being dead makes the climb much more steep.

Any confession creates a whole new list of questions and the list of questions would be much longer than the list of answers coming from a confession.

I meant why weren't they charged soon after it happened. A lot of the evidence seems damning (Ps sweater fibres found in the ligature, unable to rule P out as the author of the RN, no signs of forced entry, ect ect!)

J and P at least being charged with the cover up? Idk, it's not upto me to decide what they are charged with.

Obviously it's too late to charge any of he Rs now.

ITA a confession would just create more questions.

 

[Ambitioned]

I meant why weren't they charged soon after it happened. A lot of the evidence seems damning (Ps sweater fibres found in the ligature, unable to rule P out as the author of the RN, no signs of forced entry, ect ect!)

J and P at least being charged with the cover up? Idk, it's not upto me to decide what they are charged with.

ITA a confession would just create more questions.

BBM mine. Indeed it is damning. Maybe the GJ weighed everything after months and months and indicted them for assisting a third party? God Bless them for all their work.

Obviously it's too late to charge any of he Rs now.

I'm afraid so, without new evidence. Perhaps the new DNA testing will turn something up and JR might be charged. I won't hold my breath though.