Poll: Was Shannan Gilbert Murdered?

[LindsayLohan6]

Still some fundamental questions from day 1 that havent been answered:

Who was at JB'S house that night?
Where did JB & Shannan go for 15 minutes?
Who is the drifter?

big surprise years later nothing is answered

 

[CriminalMinds]

Still some fundamental questions from day 1 that havent been answered:

Who was at JB'S house that night?
Where did JB & Shannan go for 15 minutes?
Who is the drifter?

big surprise years later nothing is answered

just a hunch(that i reallllly like) on the 15 mins--they stayed inside the community, went to a known dealer there, and returned

 

[CriminalMinds]

I don't think SG new JB. I've spent a lot of time trying to find a connection between JB and Pak as well but haven't been able to find one

And linative do you care to explain what you said or how this came about?

the thing about a link that sticks out to me would be why would Pak risk taking a drive alllllllll the way down there at that time of night(besides the obvious lure of $$) for a "new" client..? How would he know it wasn't just someone fooling around seeing if they could prank an escort or something(like a punk kid calling in a pizza delivery to one of his buddies).....seems like a far drive to take that late without knowing you were going to surely cash in at the end.....

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Why would Shannan's pimp (driver) bring her out to LI - all the way in the boon docks - in the dark
no where ville of behind the gates of OB

WHY would you drive NINETY minutes to two hours ONE WAY???? oh by the way
for a john (or a party of johns) when you are IN the gold mine sex capital of the world - good
ole Manhattan on a Saturday night. The ONE night men are out to party and pay to play!

FROM NYC - where they currently were - on a Saturday night?
Why waste your time driving for an hour and a half - when you have a gold mine in NYC
on a Saturday night - and you can just stay in Manhattan...and make tons of money?

It makes absolutely no sense that he would drive all the way to the OB community
from the gold mine of NYC when the streets are paved with gold (ka ching ka ching)
to the streets of OB.

MP obviously knew he was bringing little sg to her death.
MP obviously knew this. He was getting a lot of money so that
sg could be sacrified and killed ...
and MP was in on the take.

He had everything to do with her death and why he wasnt sued for wrongful death is beyond me.

I just hope that John Ray is good on cross and grilling and drilling people
and getting them to break.

 

[CriminalMinds]

Why would Shannan's pimp (driver) bring her out to LI - all the way in the boon docks - in the dark
no where ville of behind the gates of OB

WHY would you drive NINETY minutes to two hours ONE WAY???? oh by the way
for a john (or a party of johns) when you are IN the gold mine sex capital of the world - good
ole Manhattan on a Saturday night. The ONE night men are out to party and pay to play!

FROM NYC - where they currently were - on a Saturday night?
Why waste your time driving for an hour and a half - when you have a gold mine in NYC
on a Saturday night - and you can just stay in Manhattan...and make tons of money?

It makes absolutely no sense that he would drive all the way to the OB community
from the gold mine of NYC when the streets are paved with gold (ka ching ka ching)
to the streets of OB.

MP obviously knew he was bringing little sg to her death.
MP obviously knew this. He was getting a lot of money so that
sg could be sacrified and killed ...
and MP was in on the take.

He had everything to do with her death and why he wasnt sued for wrongful death is beyond me.

I just hope that John Ray is good on cross and grilling and drilling people
and getting them to break.

interesting...and plausible.(and it does feel rather like MP knew JB based on the driving distance)...but if MP obviously knew, why would he stay that long..?(unless, under this premise, he wanted to be sure she was killed)...and would JB/MP or whoever really wait that long to kill her if it was preplanned..?(unless they were waiting for it to be later to have less eyes able to see them/him dispose of the body)

 

[hipmomx2]

It would make sense if MP was part of a larger group of drivers and JB would call the service and he would be linked to a driver and then to one of the girls that he drove around. I don't believe that SG was the only girl MP drove to appointments. I believe he was either part of a livery service, as just one of their drivers, or he ran his own little service.

Is this based on any facts or are you just stating your opinion? I'm sorry, that sounds harsh and I don't mean it to be, I'm just curious if we know that he indeed known to drive anyone else and if he did, did he ever happen upon any of the other victims?

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[hipmomx2]

Why would Shannan's pimp (driver) bring her out to LI - all the way in the boon docks - in the dark
no where ville of behind the gates of OB

WHY would you drive NINETY minutes to two hours ONE WAY???? oh by the way
for a john (or a party of johns) when you are IN the gold mine sex capital of the world - good
ole Manhattan on a Saturday night. The ONE night men are out to party and pay to play!

FROM NYC - where they currently were - on a Saturday night?
Why waste your time driving for an hour and a half - when you have a gold mine in NYC
on a Saturday night - and you can just stay in Manhattan...and make tons of money?

It makes absolutely no sense that he would drive all the way to the OB community
from the gold mine of NYC when the streets are paved with gold (ka ching ka ching)
to the streets of OB.

MP obviously knew he was bringing little sg to her death.
MP obviously knew this. He was getting a lot of money so that
sg could be sacrified and killed ...
and MP was in on the take.

He had everything to do with her death and why he wasnt sued for wrongful death is beyond me.

I just hope that John Ray is good on cross and grilling and drilling people
and getting them to break.

Not to mention he agrees to sit in the car while they do...whatever they were supposed to do..for FOUR, 4! hours!? Really?
Obviously without hearing the 911 call in its entirety, the majority is speculation but we have been given bits and pieces and IMO what is NOT heard on the tape is quite telling. SG fears for her life and some type of aggressive action happens on tape yet they aren't saying MP confronts the guy, or comforts SG, etc.."nonchalant" would describe MP well.

 

[mcme]

Not to mention he agrees to sit in the car while they do...whatever they were supposed to do..for FOUR, 4! hours!? Really?
Obviously without hearing the 911 call in its entirety, the majority is speculation but we have been given bits and pieces and IMO what is NOT heard on the tape is quite telling. SG fears for her life and some type of aggressive action happens on tape yet they aren't saying MP confronts the guy, or comforts SG, etc.."nonchalant" would describe MP well.

MP came into the house to try and get SG to leave, the "aggressive" act was only JB grabbing her to try and throw her out the door. He wanted her to leave, nothing more.

 

[topratedsleuth]

SG fears for her life and some type of aggressive action happens on tape...

What makes you say some type of aggressive action occurs on the 911 tape? As far as sitting in the car for four hours, that's what drivers do - if you hire a limo to take you to Disneyland, the limo driver sits in the car the whole day until you get back from the Magic Kingdom, that's what they're paid for. In interviews Pak seems (to me) to be something of a jerk, I'd agree with your description of "nonchalant", but that alone doesn't mean he knows anything.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

In light of Bittrolff's possible connection to a home for wayward girls and Dr Hackett's phone call stating just that I would say yes it's a very good possibility now that Shannan Gilbert was murdered and she is connected to the Serial Killer. Does anyone know if T*na Hackett is the Dr's sister? T Hackett shows up on friends lists for most relatives of Bittrolff including his brothers

 

[Aleph]

Lindsay, you might want to phone in this tip to LE. Also maybe to Mari Gilbert.


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[Really?]

were you there??....LOL

 

[Really?]

I saw the name too on the fb lists.....I did spit out my coffee when I first saw the name.....imagine.

wanting to really make lilo excited...there is a brewer as well.....lol....:scared:

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Lol is she his sister tho?

 

[LISleuth]

In light of Bittrolff's possible connection to a home for wayward girls and Dr Hackett's phone call stating just that I would say yes it's a very good possibility now that Shannan Gilbert was murdered and she is connected to the Serial Killer. Does anyone know if T*na Hackett is the Dr's sister? T Hackett shows up on friends lists for most relatives of Bittrolff including his brothers

I do write this with all due respect Ms LindsayLohan...

I sent that person a FB PM message asking if there is a relation before her name becomes embedded with a supposed connection if there is none. I've been the subject of false rumors & wouldn't want to see someone else in the same boat. This T person may be suffering enough about the arrest of JB without burdening her with someone "connecting dots".

As you can see from the link I'm providing, there are at least 5 people with the same last name as CPH, working within Nassau County as county employees. It doesn't mean they are related in any way or guilty of wrong doing. For that matter, there are a few people on the County payroll with my last name but I don't know them.

Having the same name doesn't equate to being related. I found quite a few names I'm familiar with of friends of mine on some of their FB friends list but they are not related to anyone I know nor do they even know them.


http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=345&brand=0&searchField=Last_name&q=hackett



:gathering:

 

[mcme]

I do write this with all due respect Ms LindsayLohan...

I sent that person a FB PM message asking if there is a relation before her name becomes embedded with a supposed connection if there is none. I've been the subject of false rumors & wouldn't want to see someone else in the same boat. This T person may be suffering enough about the arrest of JB without burdening her with someone "connecting dots".

As you can see from the link I'm providing, there are at least 5 people with the same last name as CPH, working within Nassau County as county employees. It doesn't mean they are related in any way or guilty of wrong doing. For that matter, there are a few people on the County payroll with my last name but I don't know them.

Having the same name doesn't equate to being related. I found quite a few names I'm familiar with of friends of mine on some of their FB friends list but they are not related to anyone I know nor do they even know them.


http://longisland.newsday.com/templates/simpleDB/?pid=345&brand=0&searchField=Last_name&q=hackett



:gathering:

C'mon now, don't let logic or common sense get in the way of someones good time.

 

[topratedsleuth]

... there are at least 5 people with the same last name as CPH, working within Nassau County...

They're all over!

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Your Quite right and I doubt those Hackett's are immediate family to our own good doctor. It wouldn't mean much anyway. However I wouldnt be surprised if Bittrolff knows Dr. Hackett. Anyone might remember my poi who moved to the same town as the Doc? And why the phone call from the Dr. H? I wonder won't the missig link is between Dr. Hackett and Vision Ministries Open Arms? Anyone have a clue? I appreciate that post LIsleuth it's important to remember not every Hackett is related to the Doctor. I purposfuly * out her name in attempt at not blowing up her spot. Maybe Dr. Hackett was an only child?

 

[zero dinh]

LOL, I had wondered why no one had brought this up yet (I was just on the wrong thread) I agree that it is most likely a coincednce, but still, nothing wrong with chasing coincedences right? not like contacting them and asking them if they are connected...lol

 

[Really?]

They're all over!

O.M.G.............lol