Poll: Was Shannan Gilbert Murdered?

[giagreen]

Has the 911 call been made public yet? If so please send link. If Sheriff Dormer is so certain she wasn't murdered I don't see why he would have a problem releasing the calls...oh, yeah..bc THEY FAILED HER AND SCREWED UP AN ENTIRE INVESTIGATION.

Dormer wasn't a sheriff. Dormer WAS the police commissioner. He retired a few years ago. So how you expect a retired police commissioner to release a 911 tape is beyond me.

Also I'd like to add that if your read everything and watch his interview you will understand why SG 911 call was never responded to. She said she was at Jones beach so the call was transfered to a different call center and had no idea where to even go to help SG.

Sitting here placing blame in all the wrong places on some crime site isn't going to get SG justice....ever. I don't understand what people expect should Dormer use his telepathic abilities to tell us what happen to SG? His guess as to what happen is as good as any of ours. And he is entitled to his opinions. He is a human not a super telepathic sheriff covering up for a serial killer.

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[hipmomx2]

Dormer wasn't a sheriff. Dormer WAS the police commissioner. He retired a few years ago. So how you expect a retired police commissioner to release a 911 tape is beyond me.

Also I'd like to add that if your read everything and watch his interview you will understand why SG 911 call was never responded to. She said she was at Jones beach so the call was transfered to a different call center and had no idea where to even go to help SG.

Sitting here placing blame in all the wrong places on some crime site isn't going to get SG justice....ever. I don't understand what people expect should Dormer use his telepathic abilities to tell us what happen to SG? His guess as to what happen is as good as any of ours. And he is entitled to his opinions. He is a human not a super telepathic sheriff covering up for a serial killer.

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Well, off with my head for making such a monumental mistake that matters so much.

Lets get back to the point, which was the investigation, not the title COMMISSIONER Dormer had. Smh..lol

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[hipmomx2]

Dormer wasn't a sheriff. Dormer WAS the police commissioner. He retired a few years ago. So how you expect a retired police commissioner to release a 911 tape is beyond me.

Also I'd like to add that if your read everything and watch his interview you will understand why SG 911 call was never responded to. She said she was at Jones beach so the call was transfered to a different call center and had no idea where to even go to help SG.

Sitting here placing blame in all the wrong places on some crime site isn't going to get SG justice....ever. I don't understand what people expect should Dormer use his telepathic abilities to tell us what happen to SG? His guess as to what happen is as good as any of ours. And he is entitled to his opinions. He is a human not a super telepathic sheriff covering up for a serial killer.

I don't need to read anything. Her 911 call was transferred to NY State police after she said she" remembered as they were driving out there, seeing a sign for Jones Beach." Bc the residents that called 911 lived in Suffolk county, the SG call wasn't made know to Suffolk until approximately 2 weeks later. Correct so far?

 

[hipmomx2]

You "don't understand what people expect should Dormer use his telepathic abilities to tell us what happened to SG?"
That's pretty much what he did when he stood beside her family and gave his "opinion" of how she died without one shred of medical or physical evidence to support it.
He's entitled to his opinion as a human but LE and the Justice system works on FACTS. Opinions in these situations mean nothing in court.


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[hipmomx2]

My previous post:
It really makes me angry that Sheriff Dormer speaks as if he is so convinced that the cause of death is accidental. In fact, he has as much evidence to say her throat was slashed ear to ear! What I mean is, to say either one of those is the "probable" cause of death is pure speculation. Her "skeletal remains" were much too decomposed to say how she died. However, it sure would be convenient to Dormer and the Keystones if it were accidental bc we certainly can't go around saying we failed to locate a victim of a serial killer after repeated and extended calls to 911 failed her. We can tell her family that the location of her remains suggest she drowned, even though there's ZERO physical evidence of that, bc we can't say that this terrified woman had dispatch on the phone for almost a half hour and we still failed her. Lets be glad that we can say it was probably accidental and lets never release the 911 tapes showing just what kinda Mickey Mouse operation we got going on. Sorry but I'm angry.

I agree. There is no way to say how she died and there is no evidence at all to support that she died from an accident or that she died of murder.
It's all just IMO but to me there was actually more evidence to support that she was murdered if you base it on circumstantial evidence.

How funny that you didn't correct me about SHERIFF/COMMISSIONER Dormer me and you actually agreed with me.
I'm not here to argue with you, I'm just confused by many different stances. Doesn't really matter anyway.

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[hipmomx2]

Also curious as to why Pak does nothing to try to report her missing? Her mother did 2 days later. One would think Oak would've known something was wrong. And I'm not saying he did it, just curious.

Why did it take 3 months for them to interview the residents that. SG knocked on their doors. Memories fade.

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[giagreen]

My previous post:
It really makes me angry that Sheriff Dormer speaks as if he is so convinced that the cause of death is accidental. In fact, he has as much evidence to say her throat was slashed ear to ear! What I mean is, to say either one of those is the "probable" cause of death is pure speculation. Her "skeletal remains" were much too decomposed to say how she died. However, it sure would be convenient to Dormer and the Keystones if it were accidental bc we certainly can't go around saying we failed to locate a victim of a serial killer after repeated and extended calls to 911 failed her. We can tell her family that the location of her remains suggest she drowned, even though there's ZERO physical evidence of that, bc we can't say that this terrified woman had dispatch on the phone for almost a half hour and we still failed her. Lets be glad that we can say it was probably accidental and lets never release the 911 tapes showing just what kinda Mickey Mouse operation we got going on. Sorry but I'm angry.



How funny that you didn't correct me about SHERIFF/COMMISSIONER Dormer me and you actually agreed with me.
I'm not here to argue with you, I'm just confused by many different stances. Doesn't really matter anyway.

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I never said I didn't disagree with you about SG cause of death. I just simply dont see what good it will do to bash a man who is no longer even working for SCPD.

Do I disagree with Dormer? Sure. Do I think he is the blame as to why SG case will always be a mystery? Nope not at all. And his guess is as good as mine.

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[giagreen]

Also curious as to why Pak does nothing to try to report her missing? Her mother did 2 days later. One would think Oak would've known something was wrong. And I'm not saying he did it, just curious.

Why did it take 3 months for them to interview the residents that. SG knocked on their doors. Memories fade.

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And pak did try to help. SG's pimp and pak went back to Oak beach asking questions.

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[giagreen]

You "don't understand what people expect should Dormer use his telepathic abilities to tell us what happened to SG?"
That's pretty much what he did when he stood beside her family and gave his "opinion" of how she died without one shred of medical or physical evidence to support it.
He's entitled to his opinion as a human but LE and the Justice system works on FACTS. Opinions in these situations mean nothing in court.


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No that's not what he did. He gave answers that the public and family were demanding. It just wasn't the answer anyone wanted. And honestly I understand how it may bother people with how he handled it but he couldn't come right out and say that SG was connected to gb4 based off no actual proven facts. But he had to say something or everyone would be screaming about that. Even if he thinks SG is connected the worse thing he could do is say that publicly.

Mean time bashing him over and over will get no one closer to finding the truth.

I'm very interested in discussing how where when why and what If and trying to figure out what happen to SG that night. I'm very open to new ideas. I love discussing this case. I could for hours. But honestly going over and over again about Dormer and how he is this and that and did that and should of done this....isn't the point. The point is was SG murdered or not?

And it sure is a good thing Dormer wasn't in court when he gave his opinion and was simply at a press release. Smh lol



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[hipmomx2]

All ridiculousness aside...Do you think its a coincidence SG was found dead after meeting a john and calling 911 saying someone was trying to kill her, in extremely close proximity to several dead sex workers? Just curious.
IMO..Dormer should have said the truth and only the truth, which is, we have no clue as to cause of death. I find very unprofessional to speculate and give opinion. Those kind of things are of ZERO help.
As for opinions, would you have felt the same if the Commissioner in Boston last year would have given a press conference and said "my opinion is Russia bombed the Boston marathon." No proof of that, so what good would an opinion be if it's not based on evidence and fact. Would that have been fair to do? No, it would have wasted time and resources. And let me make myself clear, I only used that as an example to show opinions without fact in LE is worthless.
I can't say if SG was murdered or not but bc i'm not LE I can give my opinion bc it doesn't come with consequences. That's that.

I didn't say Pak didn't help but why didn't he think it might be smart to alert police when the escort you were with claimed someone was after her, took off running never to be seen again. How long, I wonder, would it have taken him to do that, IF EVER, had her family not reported her missing. Isn't part of his job to make sure she returns safely? And if she doesn't, driving around a little looking for and going home to bed surly doesn't sound helpful to me.

 

[giagreen]

I really wish I had my laptop and not this phone so I could type faster.

But what I think is that as far as Pak goes he was looking out for him self and only him self. Once he bumped into GC and he said he had called the cops I think Pak was like screw this I'm out of here. It sounds unreal to people like you and I who probably wouldn't do that but he did. We have to remember he would be in trouble for taking part in driving an escort around. He was basically a pimp. And he had all ready been in trouble for human trafficking. I really do think tho at that time he figured she would be fine and find a way home. Then I can't remember exactly but a day or so later SG's pimp called pak and that's when they went back to Oak Beach and met the doctor. I assume that's how the doc got MG's # and was able to call her and just be the weird guy that he is.

And no I do not think that its a coincidence that SG ended up dead. I think that SG seen something or that JB said something to scare the living crap out of her and she went into fight or flight response. I think SG new something she shouldn't of known.

I'm sorry but JB IMO has said and done some things that should be red flags.

First he says that he didn't have SG come over for sex. And that they didn't have sex but she was there for a while. So what did they do then? And why did he call her in the first place then?

Then he says something along the lines (can't remember exactly) but that SG had asked if he's ever met a cross dresser and so then he thought she was a man or something like that. To me the whole thing was nothing but an insult to SG. It was victimizing her all over again. And showed no respects to her even after death.

Then I don't know if you read the book or not Lost Girls but after I read that I'm locked in on my opinion JB has more to do with this then I ever realized.

I think LE knows it. And that leads to my defence of Dormer cause its best to let JB think that they are really that stupid.

I don't have the book on hand or I would quote exactly what JB said that locked me in on my opinion but later when I'm home I'll quote what he said.


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[hipmomx2]

I really wish I had my laptop and not this phone so I could type faster.

But what I think is that as far as Pak goes he was looking out for him self and only him self. Once he bumped into GC and he said he had called the cops I think Pak was like screw this I'm out of here. It sounds unreal to people like you and I who probably wouldn't do that but he did. We have to remember he would be in trouble for taking part in driving an escort around. He was basically a pimp. And he had all ready been in trouble for human trafficking. I really do think tho at that time he figured she would be fine and find a way home. Then I can't remember exactly but a day or so later SG's pimp called pak and that's when they went back to Oak Beach and met the doctor. I assume that's how the doc got MG's # and was able to call her and just be the weird guy that he is.

And no I do not think that its a coincidence that SG ended up dead. I think that SG seen something or that JB said something to scare the living crap out of her and she went into fight or flight response. I think SG new something she shouldn't of known.

I'm sorry but JB IMO has said and done some things that should be red flags.

First he says that he didn't have SG come over for sex. And that they didn't have sex but she was there for a while. So what did they do then? And why did he call her in the first place then?

Then he says something along the lines (can't remember exactly) but that SG had asked if he's ever met a cross dresser and so then he thought she was a man or something like that. To me the whole thing was nothing but an insult to SG. It was victimizing her all over again. And showed no respects to her even after death.

Then I don't know if you read the book or not Lost Girls but after I read that I'm locked in on my opinion JB has more to do with this then I ever realized.

I think LE knows it. And that leads to my defence of Dormer cause its best to let JB think that they are really that stupid.

I don't have the book on hand or I would quote exactly what JB said that locked me in on my opinion but later when I'm home I'll quote what he said.


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Unfortunately I don't think.k we are going to get anything else out of JB bc of all the mistakes, mishaps, time, etc. I do agree that whatever scared SG enough to react how she did, happened inside JBs. Even Pak said JB grabbed her awkwardly from behind, which is heard on the 911 call. Maybe something made her think Pak was involved, he set it up..etc. She was supposed to stay for 2 hrs for $450 (Pak says). They get there just after midnight at yet at 5a.m. she's still inside. And yeah, where's the money? I do not believe she was in a psychological crisis or a drug induced panic.

What do you make of Dr. Weirdness calling SGs mom 2 days later saying he had a halfway house and SG was there, then he totally denies it, then he admits it and says he saw her and medicated her? Plus he interjected himself into the case and would certainly be able to dismember bodies. Idk...I guess I think he's just odd.
The answers are at JBs. Have they been able to connect any of the others to JB, DOC or Pak?

What do you make of the alleged killer calling the victims sister, sorry can't remember the name.
I haven't read the book but I ordered it. I would hate for this to be one that never gets solved.

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[giagreen]

Unfortunately I don't think.k we are going to get anything else out of JB bc of all the mistakes, mishaps, time, etc. I do agree that whatever scared SG enough to react how she did, happened inside JBs. Even Pak said JB grabbed her awkwardly from behind, which is heard on the 911 call. Maybe something made her think Pak was involved, he set it up..etc. She was supposed to stay for 2 hrs for $450 (Pak says). They get there just after midnight at yet at 5a.m. she's still inside. And yeah, where's the money? I do not believe she was in a psychological crisis or a drug induced panic.

What do you make of Dr. Weirdness calling SGs mom 2 days later saying he had a halfway house and SG was there, then he totally denies it, then he admits it and says he saw her and medicated her? Plus he interjected himself into the case and would certainly be able to dismember bodies. Idk...I guess I think he's just odd.
The answers are at JBs. Have they been able to connect any of the others to JB, DOC or Pak?

What do you make of the alleged killer calling the victims sister, sorry can't remember the name.
I haven't read the book but I ordered it. I would hate for this to be one that never gets solved.

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I honestly think the doc was set up to a point. I mean how did he get SG's mom's number in the first place? Then SG's stuff ends up pretty much in his back yard? He's not that stupid. It was so obvious the doc had something to do with something that I don't think he did.

I think he put him self in the middle thinking he was smoothing things over for Oak Beach and then realized crap this girl is really missing and panicked and lied.
Got caught then looked guilty and now IMO looks like a fool. Nothing more. Nothing less.

JB is the only person out of all the people involved that I can't find a reason not to suspect him. Other then LE said he passed a lie detector test but that means nothing to me.

He was physically fit and capable of going into the dark and grabbing SG that night. He had a place to keep her. From what I understand Pak never went back to JB house as he left Oak Beach so JB is completely unaccounted for all that time.

I wonder after an escort went running from his house screaming someone was trying to kill her what he did. I'd love to know what he told LE.

The only thing I can't make sense of is Pak said that JB came out and got him and told her to come get her cause she was acting crazy. Why wouldn't she leave and run to Pak?

The one thought I had was maybe JB had some fun with her. Maybe they did some coke or something and he thought it would be funny to watch her tweak out. Sit there be like hey I'm gonna kill you. What do u think your driver is gonna save you? He's in on it....not saying that happen but its a thought as to why she may have freaked or maybe she seen something.

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[giagreen]

Oh and the phone calls to MB's little sister gives me the creeps. But I think he's obviously a sexual sadist. I think he likes to have fun with his victims phones. I bet he went threw their phones. I bet he seen pictures MB had on her phone maybe some of her sister. I bet he read all MB's texts and I bet that's how he figured out who her sister was and called her just cause he could and he got off on scaring her.

I also think that the fact he new to keep the phone calls under three min shows he has basic IT knowledge. And that's about it.

I have high hopes they will get this guy. The bodies were only found three years ago. I think its just a matter of time till he screws up.


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[hipmomx2]

I hope this is okay to do. I took a picture directly from the second 48 Hours special of SGs actual phone record. This is what I saw.

 

[giagreen]

I hope this is okay to do. I took a picture directly from the second 48 Hours special of SGs actual phone record. This is what I saw.View attachment 42930

I'm pretty sure she was trying to call Pak. Wasn't she? I'd have to go searching but I think her phone records are on here some where.
And I think she called CVS. If there is a new number that's news to me. Idk

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[hipmomx2]

I'm pretty sure she was trying to call Pak. Wasn't she? I'd have to go searching but I think her phone records are on here some where.
And I think she called CVS. If there is a new number that's news to me. Idk

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Not sure...I just saw that and it caught my eye. Can't wait to get my book!

 

[giagreen]

Its a good book. He does it well I think. I'm not going to spoil it for you but I will say the one nice thing about the book was getting to know and understand where these girls came from.

Not that I really care at all that they were escorts or why they were its just after reading and hearing about them so much it was nice to put actual people behind gb4.

I broke my laptop. And as I was sending it in I was also moving into my new house. So I didn't hook up internet yet cause I was like well I'll just use my phone. I used up all my data so I can't Google nothing at all. But for some reason I can still get on WS go figure. Lol so its hard to go back on here and look for now.

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[hipmomx2]

Its a good book. He does it well I think. I'm not going to spoil it for you but I will say the one nice thing about the book was getting to know and understand where these girls came from.

Not that I really care at all that they were escorts or why they were its just after reading and hearing about them so much it was nice to put actual people behind gb4.

I broke my laptop. And as I was sending it in I was also moving into my new house. So I didn't hook up internet yet cause I was like well I'll just use my phone. I used up all my data so I can't Google nothing at all. But for some reason I can still get on WS go figure. Lol so its hard to go back on here and look for now.

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Did you watch Dark Minds the other night? It was about this case. I haven't watched it. Just wondering if its worth watching since, to my knowledge, nothing new has come out.

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[LindsayLohan6]

The more I think about it the more Shannan sense it makes that shannan fits. First off...anyone who thinks shannan wasnt murdered is blind, deaf and dumb as a dead potato. She called 911 and said someone was trying to kill her! She was running from JB and MP and whoever else was in Brewer's house. She was right! They were trying to kill her! All these years later we are still left with the same question...what was going on in that house that night?