Pontiac: The odor, sealing off & processing the car #2

[logicalgirl]

You know, I'm sorry to say there is certainly lot's of fodder here-FOR THE DEFENSE!!! The chain of custody,with the car,is certainly a concern.I can hear it now,"Is there any way that anyone other than KC could have had access to the car,from the time it was dropped at Amscott and the time it was secured by the OCSO?" "Well,yes,anything is possible"Just great,now we have doubt!!!!

Wasn't this car locked when it was picked up? So the person who used the car if it wasn't Casey locked the car after using it at Amscott? Do we know how many people have keys to that car? I don't think there are that many people who would break into a car, use it, return it and then lock it up safely are there?

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Wasn't this car locked when it was picked up? So the person who used the car if it wasn't Casey locked the car after using it at Amscott? Do we know how many people have keys to that car? I don't think there are that many people who would break into a car, use it, return it and then lock it up safely are there?

Oooo now you know thiefs are always thoughtful in that way. :dance: Throw me a rope I may need one!:angel:

 

[logicalgirl]

LOL - you Texans! As far as chain of custody while at the Anthony's - I guess Casey could have gone to the garage and removed what? Cindy took care of that.
Wasn't the primary evidence in the car the garbage retrieved from the dumpster close to the tow-yard, the smell and the decomp in the trunk? I guess you all are right - there may have been more hairs and some skin cells - but I don't know. I doubt she left the duct tape behind in there, at least.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

LOL - you Texans! As far as chain of custody while at the Anthony's - I guess Casey could have gone to the garage and removed what? Cindy took care of that.
Wasn't the primary evidence in the car the garbage retrieved from the dumpster close to the tow-yard, the smell and the decomp in the trunk? I guess you all are right - there may have been more hairs and some skin cells - but I don't know. I doubt she left the duct tape behind in there, at least.

We are not as nice as they are in Florida when we steal a car. We torch em or run them into a lake after we are done.:dance: Yes, honey that was it. GA thought that problem was over when the nice man from the tow yard threw it away from him. Darn that Yuri! He was smarter than the cop from Ohio and went and found that bag. Then mama has to start the clean up to make sure it was done properly.

 

[LancelotLink]

I also remember Tony L Saying Casey had no reason he could think of to have a bag of garbage from his apt in her trunk. She was trying to to cover up the smell from those pesky dead squirrels...that crawled into her engine...I guess FeBreeze never occurred to her...

 

[mitzi]

I also remember Tony L Saying Casey had no reason he could think of to have a bag of garbage from his apt in her trunk. She was trying to to cover up the smell from those pesky dead squirrels...that crawled into her engine...I guess FeBreeze never occurred to her...

Bold mine.

KC must be an "outta the box" thinker. :crazy:

 

[LambChop]

I do not feel the fact that the car was not sealed right away would affect KC's defense in any way. The car was already compromised when GA unlocked the trunk and disposed of the bag and then drove the car home. The bag in the dumpster did not have anything in it when retrieved that was not there before as the bag was tied. Apparently the bag was not tampered with as the ties were in place. Once the car was home the only people who had access to the car were the A's and LE. There was no one else in the home. If KC did remove anything from the car she could have done so prior to dumping the car, we will never know. Plus CA had already done her sweep through before LE were even called. GA was upfront in telling LE about the smell and while they were trying to focus on a missing child nothing would have changed in the car, the decomp would still be there, the evidence would still be there and because the battery was removed the car was not going anywhere. In hindsight they probably wished they had sealed the car sooner but if you weigh that against them wanting to find where Caylee was as a first priority it makes a little more sense. We have posters here who can't believe that such an attractive young woman who apparently had everything going for her would ever do such a thing. I'm sure LE was not prepared to go down that road either. jmo

 

[Anais]

...from even before LE arrived. But, Lee said one thing...mom says another...did a detective state that Casey was in there alone? I guess everyone is wishing that yellow crime tape was set up around the car. OMG...can you imagine the tone of that house after that? Attorneys would have been called in ASAP. Posting a deputy nearby would have made more sense...and that's really what I'd like to know (not that it matters).

I do understand that when LE was initially called to the home that it was for a missing child. However given the immdeiate 911 "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damnged car" from CA one would think their hinky meter would have, or should have hit the roof!

In any case with the smaller amount of evidence that LE did obtain from the Pontiac it seems oblvious to me that someone had to have cleaned that car, or at least attempted to.

 

[LambChop]

I do understand that when LE was initially called to the home that it was for a missing child. However given the immdeiate 911 "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damnged car" from CA one would think their hinky meter would have, or should have hit the roof!

In any case with the smaller amount of evidence that LE did obtain from the Pontiac it seems oblvious to me that someone had to have cleaned that car, or at least attempted to.

The officers did not hear the 911 call. The LE that arrived first at the house were there for a stolen car report.

I don't think anyone cleaned the car while LE was still there until wee hours of the morning. By CA admission she had already gone through the car, removed Caylee's doll, KC's pants. Damage was already done long before LE got there. jmo

 

[beach]

The officers did not hear the 911 call. The LE that arrived first at the house were there for a stolen car report.

I don't think anyone cleaned the car while LE was still there until wee hours of the morning. By CA admission she had already gone through the car, removed Caylee's doll, KC's pants. Damage was already done long before LE got there. jmo

ITA LambChop

The damage was done by CA herself long before she ever dialed 911.


I snipped this below from your earlier post

In hindsight they probably wished they had sealed the car sooner but if you weigh that against them wanting to find where Caylee was as a first priority it makes a little more sense.

In a roundabout way, I think this can work to the SA's favor because it dispels any notion that there was a *GASP* "rush to judgment". Instead of sealing off the car, YM drove Casey around Orlando giving her a chance to show them where she dropped off Caylee. They allowed LA to go to TL's to retrieve KC's belongings and watched as CA dumped out her personal belongings. They all get a couple of hours rest when YM called early the next morning and told GA they were coming to re-question KC. They picked her back up and the infamous Universal charade ensued. After that, they had what they needed to arrest her w/o being accused of honing in ONLY on KC and not pursuing other leads.

 

[LambChop]

Does anyone really think LE that night was not trying to do their best in finding a missing child? I can't imagine defense attacking them when the only people in the home were the A's. Who would have put evidence in the car to make KC look guilty? No one in that household I can tell you for sure. So not sealing the car, unless someone can think of a reason that it will hurt KC, can't hurt her. I can't think of why defense would want to go anywhere near it with a 10 foot pole. Unless someone wants to say Nanny slipped into the home during that short period, an hour or so that the detectives were gone and changed out the trunk carpeting......does not make sense. And I would guess there was a patrol car down the street watching the house if they even suspected that KC was lying when they left. We would not know that, either way. jmo

 

[JBean]

Personally, I think any time a potential crime scene is not sealed off right away, it can lead to problems. Whether it does in this case or not is unknown, my guess is it will have no impact.
However,they had the information and they did not act on it immediately. right or wrong good or bad that is what happened.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

When this topic came up back in 2008 I posted something similar. i thought that the decomp was exaggerated and no one looked at the car because it didn't smell that bad. But that was before all this infomration was released.
But NTS, there is no way that is true. Too many people have reported that it did in fact smell of decomp. Family members, officers,towyard guy. let's face it, if GA and CA , and LA all say it stunk to high heaven like decomp that is pretty good testimony. They have everything to lose.
The towyard guy guy is a completely disinterested 3rd party and and no reason to say anything but the truth.The fact of the matter is no one is really disputing the decomp aroma. So, please lets not go there.
The car smelled like decomp and it has been documented by just about everyone involved in this case,including KC making up a story to explain the foul odor.
Let's not derail the thread by suggesting there was no decomp smell. If you have doubt that is fine, but suggesting something that has been clearly documented is going to lead to thread meltdown and let's not go there. Your point and position are noted but there is nowhere to go with the discussion.
thanks

In no way, shape or form do I want this post to derail or meltdown the thread. I do however, wish to express my personal opinion about the smell in the trunk. I have read the same statements, interviews, quotes, and reports as many posters here have done, in regards to the smell in the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that there was a terrible odor coming from the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that it is most likely that this odor was caused by decomposing materials.
I agree 100 percent that many people acknowledged a terrible odor coming from the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that many people believe that the terrible odor was caused during a 2.6 day timeframe when Caylee was allegedly in the trunk.

What I disagree with is this, many believe the decomposing materials causing the odor were from human origin, I don’t.
If you eliminate the white trash bag from the equation, you are left with a trace of butyric acid, and the air sample results. Is that really enough decomp materials to cause this horrendous odor? Many people believe it is, and that is fine with me. I choose not to believe that. The maggots were in the white trash bag, which leads me to believe the decomposing materials which maggots feed on was also in the white trash bag, which in turn makes me believe the odor originated from within the white trash bag.

I agree 100 percent that the above is strictly my opinion only, it is the position I am taking, it can be noted, and that there is no where to go with the discussion.

 

[JBean]

In no way, shape or form do I want this post to derail or meltdown the thread. I do however, wish to express my personal opinion about the smell in the trunk. I have read the same statements, interviews, quotes, and reports as many posters here have done, in regards to the smell in the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that there was a terrible odor coming from the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that it is most likely that this odor was caused by decomposing materials.
I agree 100 percent that many people acknowledged a terrible odor coming from the trunk.
I agree 100 percent that many people believe that the terrible odor was caused during a 2.6 day timeframe when Caylee was allegedly in the trunk.

What I disagree with is this, many believe the decomposing materials causing the odor were from human origin, I don’t.
If you eliminate the white trash bag from the equation, you are left with a trace of butyric acid, and the air sample results. Is that really enough decomp materials to cause this horrendous odor? Many people believe it is, and that is fine with me. I choose not to believe that. The maggots were in the white trash bag, which leads me to believe the decomposing materials which maggots feed on was also in the white trash bag, which in turn makes me believe the odor originated from within the white trash bag.

I agree 100 percent that the above is strictly my opinion only, it is the position I am taking, it can be noted, and that there is no where to go with the discussion.

The only thing I was clarifying with my post is that there was a bad smell of decomp (human or otherwise) in the car and I think you agree with that.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

The only thing I was clarifying with my post is that there was a bad smell of decomp (human or otherwise) in the car and I think you agree with that.

I agree 100 percent with that

 

[Bittiness39]

Didn't KC's own mom make reference to KC abandoning the Pontiac Sunfire as being somewhat strange? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that her own mother spoke of it, not only in tv interviews but also on tape with KC while KC was in jail. Ofcourse, the defense could always claim the car was not deliberately abandoned...I tend to think it was...regardless of the gas left in said car.

 

[countzero]

Didn't KC's own mom make reference to KC abandoning the Pontiac Sunfire as being somewhat strange? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that her own mother spoke of it, not only in tv interviews but also on tape with KC while KC was in jail. Ofcourse, the defense could always claim the car was not deliberately abandoned...I tend to think it was...regardless of the gas left in said car.

Yes she did. CA can't have it both ways; either KC stole the car as she reported in her rouse call to 911 or KC deliberately abandoned it. Which was it CA? Another coverup story, imo. Sheeze .......... Oh, I agree with ya too.

 

[ynotdivein]

Bumping, for bump's sake.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Didn't KC's own mom make reference to KC abandoning the Pontiac Sunfire as being somewhat strange? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that her own mother spoke of it, not only in tv interviews but also on tape with KC while KC was in jail. Ofcourse, the defense could always claim the car was not deliberately abandoned...I tend to think it was...regardless of the gas left in said car.

I worry about chain of custody...like ICA abandonded her car but it could have been someone else who placed Caylee there...I truly hope this doesn't cause reasonable doubt. I truly wish Amscot would have had this on video for the days it laid there, showing no one ever approached the vehicle except for ICA...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Mrs G Norris]

On the chain of custody thing I don't think you have to worry because it can be proven that the body of Caylee was in the car during the early stages of decomp, not in the state she would have been after a week, 2 weeks, etc, and Casey had that car over that time and was seen in that car, and admits herself she was in that car after that time, and texts squirrels, foul odour etc...so it's good, they have her.

On the Amscot video, is there any reason the 6 video cameras did not capture Casey drive in and leave the car there? Could there be video which hasn't been released?

Starting at 3:30

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