Hmmm...
This is age.
After all,
who knows a 70 year old without any pains, aches, illnesses, health problems?
Some say that at certain age
when you don't feel any pain waking up
it means you are.....dead!!!
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Pope Francis has died, Vatican says, 21 Apr 2025
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Hmmm...
This is age.
After all,
who knows a 70 year old without any pains, aches, illnesses, health problems?
Some say that at certain age
when you don't feel any pain waking up
it means you are.....dead!!!
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And in a further twist, an African cardinal may be unable to take part in the conclave because he doesn't know how old he is. He is either 79 or 80, but it seems that if he takes part but is too old to do so, it may invalidate the result.
Cardinal could be dropped from conclave for not knowing his age
It is unclear how old Cardinal Philippe Ouédraogo is - and whether he was born on January 4, 1945, or December 31 that year.
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70 is pretty young to have notable health issues these days, and I imagine the Vatican will be very keen to avoid another John Paul I situation if possible.Hmmm...
This is age.
After all,
who knows a 70 year old without any pains, aches, illnesses, health problems?
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Profile of the new pope
Above all, he must be a pious man, but what other requirements must the new pope meet? That is what all cardinals, voting and non-voting, think about until the beginning of conclave on Wednesday.
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Above all, he must be a pious man, but what other requirements must the new pope meet? That is what all cardinals, voting and non-voting, think about until the beginning of conclave on Wednesday.
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Profielschets van de nieuwe paus: ook vernieuwer of juist gematigder?
Woensdag begint het conclaaf, maar er wordt in het Vaticaan al volop gesproken over wie Franciscus moet opvolgen als paus.
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Cardinal Sarah is known to be conservative. I think your educated guess that the other two are conservative is likely correct.
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Cardinals at a crossroads: While some want to continue Francis’ reforms, others want a different kind of pope
CNN spoke to multiple cardinals and other church sources for this article.[…]
A fault line is already emerging. Some cardinals want the next pope to follow firmly in Francis’ footsteps and focus on the “diversity” of the universal church, whose axis has shifted away from Europe and the West. Others are calling on the next pope to emphasize “unity” – code for a more predictable, steady-as-she-goes approach.
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"Maximum three days," Salvadoran Cardinal Gregorio Rosa Chavez confidently predicted this week ahead of the secret ballot, which will begin in the Sistine Chapel on May 7.
The average length of the last 10 conclaves was 3.2 days and none went on for more than five. The last two elections -- in 2005 when Pope Benedict was picked and in 2013 when Francis emerged -- were wrapped up in just two days.
[…]
The initial vote, on the afternoon the conclave begins, often serves as an informal sounding board in which numerous names are widely dispersed.
Some of these are symbolic votes, offered as gestures of respect or friendship before the serious balloting begins the next day, when the strength of the favorites can be gauged.
[…]
In his 2019 book "The Election of Pope Francis", Gerard O'Connell reported how Jorge Mario Bergoglio, an Argentine cardinal who had not been flagged as a "papabile", grabbed attention thanks to a powerful speech to his peers heading into the 2013 conclave.
O'Connell said 23 cardinals received at least one vote in the first vote, with Bergoglio coming second. He edged ahead in the second vote and pulled further clear in the third, to the chagrin of supporters of the Italian favourite, Angelo Scola.
In an apparent effort to derail Bergoglio, a rumor spread at lunchtime on the second day that he only had one lung and might not be physically fit to run the Church. He let it be known that only a small part of one lung had been removed and by the fifth vote that same afternoon he was pope.
In 2005, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was the clear favourite going into the Sistine Chapel and led from the first vote. He won handsomely by the fourth ballot to become Benedict XVI.
Even if it is impossible to say how things will go this time around, cardinals hope for a similar, smooth outcome.
"I wouldn't panic if we don't have a pope by the end of day two, but if there still isn't any white smoke by the end of the third day, then we start to get worried," said Reese.
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The average length of the last 10 conclaves was 3.2 days and none went on for more than five. The last two elections -- in 2005 when Pope Benedict was picked and in 2013 when Francis emerged -- were wrapped up in just two days.
[…]
The initial vote, on the afternoon the conclave begins, often serves as an informal sounding board in which numerous names are widely dispersed.
Some of these are symbolic votes, offered as gestures of respect or friendship before the serious balloting begins the next day, when the strength of the favorites can be gauged.
[…]
In his 2019 book "The Election of Pope Francis", Gerard O'Connell reported how Jorge Mario Bergoglio, an Argentine cardinal who had not been flagged as a "papabile", grabbed attention thanks to a powerful speech to his peers heading into the 2013 conclave.
O'Connell said 23 cardinals received at least one vote in the first vote, with Bergoglio coming second. He edged ahead in the second vote and pulled further clear in the third, to the chagrin of supporters of the Italian favourite, Angelo Scola.
In an apparent effort to derail Bergoglio, a rumor spread at lunchtime on the second day that he only had one lung and might not be physically fit to run the Church. He let it be known that only a small part of one lung had been removed and by the fifth vote that same afternoon he was pope.
In 2005, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was the clear favourite going into the Sistine Chapel and led from the first vote. He won handsomely by the fourth ballot to become Benedict XVI.
Even if it is impossible to say how things will go this time around, cardinals hope for a similar, smooth outcome.
"I wouldn't panic if we don't have a pope by the end of day two, but if there still isn't any white smoke by the end of the third day, then we start to get worried," said Reese.
Cardinals hope for speedy conclave to pick new pope, under Michelangelo's gaze
If Roman Catholic cardinals have not picked a new pope by day three of next week's conclave, then things are not going to plan.
"Behind the door begins God's history.
Why do we know little about the course of the conclave?
Why is the election of a new Pope
'under the key'?"
Paraphrasing:
So that there would be no external interferences - and they were serious in the past.
Until the nineteenth century,
the rulers and powerful families tried to influence election of the Pope.
The optimal protection against this type of influence is to keep it secret.
In general,
the whole construction of the conclave serves this:
that the cardinals responsible for choosing the Pope are completely free in their choice.
Therefore,
they cannot negotiate over the selection of the Pope before the conclave,
disclose what is happening during the conclave,
and even after the election of Pope,
we do not know who voted for whom
or how many votes the Pope got.
Key points from only a small fragment from my country's MSM link (behind a pay wall):
Za drzwiami zaczyna siÄ™ BoĹĽa historia
Po co łamie się pierścień papieża, czy na konklawe ścierają się frakcje i dlaczego niewiele wiemy o przebiegu konklawe? Na te i inne pytania odpowiada ks....
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"Behind the door begins God's history."View attachment 583239
"Behind the door begins God's history.
Why do we know little about the course of the conclave?
Why is the election of a new Pope
'under the key'?"
Paraphrasing:
So that there would be no external interferences - and they were serious in the past.
Until the nineteenth century,
the rulers and powerful families tried to influence election of the Pope.
The optimal protection against this type of influence is to keep it secret.
In general,
the whole construction of the conclave serves this:
that the cardinals responsible for choosing the Pope are completely free in their choice.
Therefore,
they cannot negotiate over the selection of the Pope before the conclave,
disclose what is happening during the conclave,
and even after the election of Pope,
we do not know who voted for whom
or how many votes the Pope got.
Key points from only a small fragment from my country's MSM link (behind a pay wall):
Za drzwiami zaczyna siÄ™ BoĹĽa historia
Po co łamie się pierścień papieża, czy na konklawe ścierają się frakcje i dlaczego niewiele wiemy o przebiegu konklawe? Na te i inne pytania odpowiada ks....
That is an interesting statement to make. Where did that come from?
From the article I sent link of.
Of Catholic magazine.
"Za drzwiami zaczyna siÄ™ BoĹĽa historia"
is the Polish title
"BoĹĽa" means referring to God.
After all,
in Catholic tradition,
it is believed that Holy Spirit has the role of a guide in the selection of Pope during Conclave.
The Holy Spirit is to inspire cardinals and direct their choice of the best successor of Peter.
We are talking about the Leader of Catholic Church.
The successor of Saint Peter.
So,
this title OP mentioned
should be considered from religious/spiritual perspective
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When I click on the English translation of this article, the title is translated as: Behind the Door: God's Story Begins.From the article I sent link of.
Of Catholic magazine.
"Za drzwiami zaczyna siÄ™ BoĹĽa historia"
is the Polish title
"BoĹĽa" means referring to God.
After all,
in Catholic tradition,
it is believed that Holy Spirit has the role of a guide in the selection of Pope during Conclave.
The Holy Spirit is to inspire cardinals and direct their choice of the best successor of Peter.
We are talking about the Leader of Catholic Church.
The successor of Saint Peter.
So,
this title OP mentioned
should be considered from religious/spiritual perspective
(Another translation, this one from Google Translates)
Paraphrasing:
God, through Holy Spirit,
writes history
during Conclave
(behind closed doors,
"under the key" which Conclave means)
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To predict, we have to see the trend
There is a huge increase of Catholics in Africa, so, possible
But Asia is more populated so I need to look at the trend in Asia and what raw numbers it transpires into
This is the situation where raw numbers may mean more than percentage as each person donates
So Asia is possible, too
There is a huge increase of Catholics in Africa, so, possible
But Asia is more populated so I need to look at the trend in Asia and what raw numbers it transpires into
This is the situation where raw numbers may mean more than percentage as each person donates
So Asia is possible, too
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The Vatican's Sistine Chapel has been set up to host 133 Cardinal electors for the upcoming conclave to elect the 267th Pope.On Friday, the Vatican's fire brigade was seen atop the Sistine Chapel's roof installing the chimney that will emit black smoke if at least 89 Cardinals have not agreed on the next Pope. White smoke is expected to signal that the 133 Cardinal electors have decided on the man to lead the Catholic Church into the future.
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"Most Popular Papal Names.
A new Popecan choose any name he wants to have during his Pontificate.
Most often,
he chooses a name inspired by a previous Pope,
a Saint,
or a tradition he wants to continue.
The most frequently chosen papal names are:
- John – 23 popes (most in history)
- Gregory - 16 popes
- Benedict - 16 popes
- Clement – 14 popes
- Innocent – 13 popes
- Leo – 13 popes
- Pius - 12 popes
Paul (Paul VI),
John Paul (John Paul I and John Paul II),
and Francis.
On March 13, 2013,
during the second day of Conclave,
Cardinal Bergoglio was elected on the fifth ballot.
The 266th Pope was the first in history
to take the name Francis,
inspired
by the figure of Saint Francis of Assisi.
Preparations for Conclave are underway in the Sistine Chapel ."
Ilu było do tej pory papieży i jakie imiona przyjmowali?
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Trump criticised after posting AI image of himself as Pope
Trump criticised after posting AI image of himself as Pope
The image, shared by White House social media accounts, comes as Catholics prepare to pick the next pontiff.
www.bbc.co.uk
This has been going round on social media for a day or so but now it's appearing in mainstream media. Idiotam habemus.
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I suspect he might struggle with the vow of chastity!Trump criticised after posting AI image of himself as Pope
Trump criticised after posting AI image of himself as Pope
The image, shared by White House social media accounts, comes as Catholics prepare to pick the next pontiff.
This has been going round on social media for a day or so but now it's appearing in mainstream media. Idiotam habemus.
"Carbonara, meetings and discussions.
'Good atmosphere' among the cardinals,
but they won't tell us much.
Quick interviews in the street, lunches in restaurants near the Vatican, visits to shops -
this is how the cardinals spend their time,
participating in daily general congregations,
i.e. meetings before the Conclave.
'There is a good atmosphere among us,
you are the ones who are betting on names' -
said Cardinal Fernando Filoni to journalists.
Some 180 cardinals from all over the world have arrived in Rome for the general congregations.
Among them are more than 120 electors who will take part in Conclave from Wednesday.
Only some of the cardinals want to talk to journalists waiting for them at the gate through which they enter Vatican .
Most are very reserved.
Many say nothing or only greet journalists with brief words.
Cardinal Fernando Filoni,
whose name has also appeared in media speculation about the papabili, or favorites for the Conclave,
said more on Friday:
'The Pope must ensure the unity of the entire Church'.
'We will succeed, as we always have'.
The cardinals who have come from abroad
visit tailor shops and clerical clothing stores,
as well as restaurants in the Borgo Pio area,
a street near Vatican.
Waiters say that the cardinals from abroad
most often order traditional Roman dishes,
especially pasta carbonara."
Much more in the link
Carbonara, przyjęcia i dyskusje. "Dobry klimat" wśród kardynałów, ale nam powiedzą niewiele
Szybkie wywiady na ulicy, obiady w restauracjach koło Watykanu, odwiedziny w sklepach - tak spędzają czas kardynałowie, którzy uczestniczą w codziennych kongregacjach generalnych, czyli naradach przed konklawe. - Między nami panuje dobry klimat, to wy obstawiacie nazwiska - mówił kardynał...
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"Preparations for the Conclave are underway in Vatican.
They are installing furnaces,
the Sistine Chapel has been closed to visitors.
In the Sistine Chapel,
tables and platforms are being set up,
and a place is being prepared for the ballot box
into which the Cardinals will cast their votes.
The floor is covered with wood.
On Friday,
a chimney was installed on the Sistine Chapel,
from which white or black smoke will appear,
depending on whether a new Pope is elected or not after the vote.
A furnace was also installed
in which the ballot papers for Conclave will be burnt,
as well as another one –
connected to the chimney
in which 'smoke bombs' will be burnt,
emitting white or black smoke."
Many more photos in the link
W Watykanie trwają przygotowania do konklawe. Montują piece, Kaplica Sykstyńska została zamknięta
Kaplica Sykstyńska została w ubiegłym tygodniu zamknięta dla zwiedzających. To tutaj odbędzie się wybór nowego papieża na konklawe, które rozpocznie się 7 maja....
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Cardinal who embraced Philippines' gay Catholics could be the Francis continuity candidate for pope
Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle has emerged as a possible contender for the next pope, but is dogged by a record of poor administration in his role leading a Vatican organization.
www.nbcnews.com
“Pope Francis is a testament that God is alive,” Concepcion, a devout Catholic who works as a street vendor, told NBC News. “He accepted everyone, including us gay people who have long been marginalized.”
Francis’ death on April 21 has opened the eternal tension between choosing a successor that represents continuity, or one who will bring change, including a possible return to the church’s recent past of more conservative positions on issues like homosexuality...
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