Pope Francis has died, Vatican says, 21 Apr 2025

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919701282312294714

 

[MarziPanda]

I had a dream last night that it was one of the African candidates that was picked. I'm an atheist though, so I don't think God would be sending me of all people a vision

Interested to see who is picked and what he'll do with the power and influence that gives him.

 

[Cryptic]

I had a dream last night that it was one of the African candidates that was picked. I'm an atheist though, so I don't think God would be sending me of all people a vision

Saul was a hard core atheist- well, as far as acknowledging Jesus and his miracles went.

Yet, following an appearance by Jesus on the road to Damascus, Saul became Paul and a very different person. I think that God can send atheists visions at any time.

I am not an atheist, but have not had a vision either. I do, however, have a cash bet on one of the Africans. Following your vision, I think I am going to increase it.

 

[PrairieWind]

I had a dream last night that it was one of the African candidates that was picked. I'm an atheist though, so I don't think God would be sending me of all people a vision

Interested to see who is picked and what he'll do with the power and influence that gives him.

Actually, I would think a non-believer might be exactly who God would send a message to.

 

[Dotta]

God acts in mysterious way

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Pope Francis gave his remaining money to fund pasta factory at juvenile detention center

Before Pope Francis died, he donated the money remaining in his personal bank account to fund Pastificio Futuro, a pasta factory that employs current and former inmates from the Casal del Marmo detention center. Pope Francis visited the facility and washed inmates’ feet twice on Holy Thursday...

www.nbcnews.com

Cardinal who embraced Philippines’ gay Catholics could be the Francis continuity candidate for pope

Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle has emerged as a possible contender for the next pope, but is dogged by a record of poor administration in his role leading a Vatican organization.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MarziPanda]

Well, I think it was just a dream based on me wondering who it would be. I dream a lot, and mostly complete nonsense! I would think if there is a God and they cared who the next pope was, they'd be sending any visions to the people in charge of that decision rather than a 20-something British atheist whose opinions don't count for squat, lol

My guess would be the Filipino, or maybe a surprise candidate like it was last time

 

[iamshadow21]

ABC Australia just posted a great article with comprehensive bios on some of the contenders for Pope. A lot more detailed than ones I've seen elsewhere.

Meet the stand-out cardinals who could replace Pope Francis

There are many names circulating for who may succeed Pope Francis, but history shows the rumoured frontrunners are rarely picked. Here's a look at some of the candidates who stand out for different reasons.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Charlot123]

I had a dream last night that it was one of the African candidates that was picked. I'm an atheist though, so I don't think God would be sending me of all people a vision

Interested to see who is picked and what he'll do with the power and influence that gives him.

You’d be surprised. When I was a teenager, I used to see dreams about the people of whose mere existence I was not aware. Like, dreaming and seeing a TV announcement of the death of “an Important Muslim”. Three days later, one of the Grand Muftis died. The strangest thing is, I told parents about the dream when I woke up because it was surprisingly detailed. Neither of us was religious. Moreover, only dad knew who the mufti was so he told us when he read the newspaper that indeed, an important Muslim had died.

It is almost like you get a message meant for someone else, right? But no, such things happen, and I am neither religious nor superstitious to even believe in “paranormal”. I’d say, the more separated the person is from you and the less effect the event is going to have on your personal life, the higher the chance of the dream being true. It is not a vision; it is when the event becomes inevitable that one could get this message. So maybe within the conclave, the fractions have “traded horses”. In the big scheme of events, It means that the destiny of a large group of people has taken that turn. An atheist in this case is like “an outsider” watching the group that is “within”. So perhaps it makes sense that atheists get religious messages.

 

[detective.moon]

it’s starting today! if after three days no decision has been made, saturday will be a day of prayer (so no voting that day). i think everyone’s hoping that by friday we’ll have a new pope.

this article explains the voting process quite in depth. something i didn’t know:

If still no Pope is elected after 21 votes, a final pause for prayer, dialogue, and reflection is observed. At this point, voting continues — but the cardinals may only choose between the two candidates who received the most votes in the previous round. Even then, a two-thirds majority is still required, and the two candidates in question are not allowed to vote.

Conclave: How a Pope is elected - Vatican News

From the voting of cardinal electors to the burning of ballots in a cast-iron stove dating back to 1939, here’s a look at what happens inside the ...

www.vaticannews.va

 

[detective.moon]

dbm

 

[MelmothTheLost]

In terms of runners and riders, bookie William Hill is offering odds on each of the cardinals.

https://sports.williamhill.com/betting/en-gb/tv-specials/OB_EV35343869/next-pope-to-replace-pope-francis

I must admit I've never fathomed fractional odds but the candidates are given in the order of the shortness of odds on them so that makes it easier to see where each of them sits in terms of likelihood. At least one other bookie is also offering odds on the name chosen by the next Pope.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

And in a further twist, an African cardinal may be unable to take part in the conclave because he doesn't know how old he is. He is either 79 or 80, but it seems that if he takes part but is too old to do so, it may invalidate the result.

Cardinal could be dropped from conclave for not knowing his age

It is unclear how old Cardinal Philippe Ouédraogo is - and whether he was born on January 4, 1945, or December 31 that year.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just replying to myself here, but wondering whether Cardinal Philippe Ouédraogo is taking part, given the uncertainty about his age.

 

[iamshadow21]

In terms of runners and riders, bookie William Hill is offering odds on each of the cardinals.

https://sports.williamhill.com/betting/en-gb/tv-specials/OB_EV35343869/next-pope-to-replace-pope-francis

I must admit I've never fathomed fractional odds but the candidates are given in the order of the shortness of odds on them so that makes it easier to see where each of them sits in terms of likelihood. At least one other bookie is also offering odds on the name chosen by the next Pope.

I'd love to see someone go for something a bit out of the box. I can't believe we hadn't had a Francis before. But if someone was going to recycle a name, I'd love for them to dip way into the past rather than us getting yet another John. Some of the names from the third, fourth and fifth century were wild. I mean who wouldn't want another Pope Hilarius? Or Dionysius? Those sound fun.

MOO

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I'd love to see someone go for something a bit out of the box. I can't believe we hadn't had a Francis before. But if someone was going to recycle a name, I'd love for them to dip way into the past rather than us getting yet another John. Some of the names from the third, fourth and fifth century were wild. I mean who wouldn't want another Pope Hilarius? Or Dionysius? Those sound fun.

MOO

It has been a dreary parade of Leos, Clements, Gregories, Johns, Pauls, Piuses and Benedicts in recent centuries. Like you, I hope that the successful chap is a bit creative with his regnal name, though it wouldn't surprise me if we get a Francis II.

 

[detective.moon]

if i had to place a bet i would go for cardinal zuppi! he’s both pastoral and diplomatic (he helped ending multiple wars!), likeable, and i think in a chaotic time an italian pope somehow might have a better chance as it’s “back to how it used to be”. the only thing is that he might be too progressive to get a majority.

if i can make a broader guess, i think the next pope will be either italian or filipino.

 

[Dotta]

Re Popes' names

"The Pope's name as continuation​

John Paul I, elected in August 1978,
was the first to choose a double name,
referring to his predecessors: John XXIII and Paul VI.

Just two months later,
after another Conclave, Cardinal Karol Wojtyła took the name John Paul II.

Such decisions are an expression of the will to continue,
as happened in 2005, when Joseph Ratzinger took the name Benedict XVI,
referring to Benedict XV,
who led the Church during the First World War."

This is interesting:

"While flying from Mongolia to Rome in September 2023,
Pope Francis was asked by journalists if he planned to visit Vietnam.

He replied that if he did not go,
John XXIV would."

Franciszek wskazał imię kolejnego papieża. Zgodzi się je przyjąć?

Przed rozpoczynającym się w środę konklawe, jednym z głównych tematów spekulacji jest wybór imienia przez nowego papież…

wiadomosci.wp.pl

 

[Dotta]

"The Conclave begins today. ​

We will see the first smoke this evening.​

Everything is ready in the Sistine Chapel to welcome the cardinal electors

At 4:30 PM,
the cardinal electors will enter the Sistine Chapel
with a solemn entry into the Conclave –
the election of the 267th Pope in the history of the Church.

That same evening,
the first vote will be held to elect the new Bishop of Rome.

The day before,
the cardinals called for the continuation of Francis' reforms.

Entry to Conclave

At 3:45 p.m.,
the cardinals are to leave the Casa Santa Marta for the Apostolic Palace.

Singing the Litany of the Saints
and the hymn to the Holy Spirit, 'Veni Creator',
the electors will enter the Sistine Chapel."

Dziś rozpoczyna się konklawe. Pierwszy dym ujrzymy wieczorem - Vatican News

O godzinie 16.30 uroczystym wejściem kardynałów elektorów do Kaplicy Sykstyńskiej rozpocznie się konklawe – wybór 267. papieża w historii Kościoła. ...

www.vaticannews.va

 

[Dotta]

"The Conclave begins today. ​

We will see the first smoke this evening.​

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Everything is ready in the Sistine Chapel to welcome the cardinal electors

At 4:30 PM,
the cardinal electors will enter the Sistine Chapel
with a solemn entry into the Conclave –
the election of the 267th Pope in the history of the Church.

That same evening,
the first vote will be held to elect the new Bishop of Rome.

The day before,
the cardinals called for the continuation of Francis' reforms.

Entry to Conclave

At 3:45 p.m.,
the cardinals are to leave the Casa Santa Marta for the Apostolic Palace.

Singing the Litany of the Saints
and the hymn to the Holy Spirit, 'Veni Creator',
the electors will enter the Sistine Chapel."

Dziś rozpoczyna się konklawe. Pierwszy dym ujrzymy wieczorem - Vatican News

O godzinie 16.30 uroczystym wejściem kardynałów elektorów do Kaplicy Sykstyńskiej rozpocznie się konklawe – wybór 267. papieża w historii Kościoła. ...

www.vaticannews.va

To add to my previous post

With singing the hymn to the Holy Spirit,
'Veni Creator', 'Come Holy Spirit'
Conclave will start.

COME, Holy Spirit, Creator blest,
and in our souls take up Thy rest;
come with Thy grace and heavenly aid
to fill the hearts which Thou hast made

Veni, Creator Spiritus

 

[Yellowbelly]

I'd love to see someone go for something a bit out of the box. I can't believe we hadn't had a Francis before. But if someone was going to recycle a name, I'd love for them to dip way into the past rather than us getting yet another John. Some of the names from the third, fourth and fifth century were wild. I mean who wouldn't want another Pope Hilarius? Or Dionysius? Those sound fun.

MOO

Hilarius was one I'd spotted! How about Sixtus, if only because the next Pope Sixtus would be Pope Sixtus VI.