Pope Francis has died, Vatican says, 21 Apr 2025

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  • #281
MelmothTheLost said:
They're taking their time. I'm beginning to wonder if they've got a shock result on the first vote.
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The last time I can find that a pope was elected on the first ballot was 1572, so it's not likely to be that. It's probably just that there are 10% more cardinals than there should be, and that's drawn out the process.
 
  • #282
MelmothTheLost said:
They're taking their time. I'm beginning to wonder if they've got a shock result on the first vote.
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i’m going through scenarios in my head too! hopefully they just need a little more time because it’s the first conclave for 80% of them
 
  • #283
detective.moon said:
i’m going through scenarios in my head too! hopefully they just need a little more time because it’s the first conclave for 80% of them
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I agree, along with the fact that many of them simply will not know each other at all well since so many are fairly recent appointees. That might suggest a longer conclave than than for Benedict and Francis.
 
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The live coverage by the Telegraph includes a clock which is counting how long the process lasts until there is a result compared to the last three conclaves.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Conclave 2025 live: Cardinals begin secret vote for next pope

The conclave has officially begun and the doors to the Sistine Chapel have now been shut as voting gets underway.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
  • #286
The BBC live stream has talked about how they're not expecting white smoke tonight... the first vote is often a show of respect, voting for people as a nod of seniority and respect such as maybe someone who you worked with, a former mentor, etc. The first vote is also used to see which names might be serious contenders, the names who pop up a lot might be taken to be contenders to vote for in the second round.

Anything is possible but white smoke at this vote would be very unusual.
 
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MarziPanda said:
The BBC live stream has talked about how they're not expecting white smoke tonight... the first vote is often a show of respect, voting for people as a nod of seniority and respect such as maybe someone who you worked with, a former mentor, etc. The first vote is also used to see which names might be serious contenders, the names who pop up a lot might be taken to be contenders to vote for in the second round.

Anything is possible but white smoke at this vote would be very unusual.
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It was black. I just saw on Youtube
 
  • #290
Black smoke it is.
 
  • #291

"The sermon during the Mass for the election of Pope ​

is sometimes called prophetic. ​

What did Cardinal Re say in it today?​


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Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re
encouraged the cardinal electors to pray to the Holy Spirit
for the gift of a Pope after God's heart,
for the good of the Church and humanity.

The Dean of the College of Cardinals
presided over the Holy Mass
'Pro eligendo Romano Pontifice'
in the Vatican Basilica.

However,
due to his age, he will not participate in the Conclave.

'Let us pray
that God will give the Church a Pope
who will be best able to awaken the consciences of all
and unleash moral and spiritual energies in today's society,
characterized by great technological progress
but which tends to forget God."

The whole sermon in the link
Click Translate as it is from my country's MSM

www.gosc.pl

Kazanie podczas mszy o wybór papieża bywa nazywane proroczym. Co...

Do modlitwy do Ducha Świętego o dar papieża według serca Bożego, dla dobra Kościoła i ludzkości zachęcił kardynałów-elektorów kard. Giovanni Battista Re....
www.gosc.pl www.gosc.pl
 
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Black smoke...to be expected on the first vote.

It's always bemused me, given the splendor of the Sistine chapel, and the Vatican in general, that a simple smoke signal message is sent out through a rudimentary and basic metal pipe in the roof.
Tradition, going back centuries.
 
  • #294
whitelilac said:
Black smoke...to be expected on the first vote.

It's always bemused me, given the splendor of the Sistine chapel, and the Vatican in general, that a simple smoke signal message is sent out through a rudimentary and basic metal pipe in the roof.
Tradition, going back centuries.
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"In the world of artificial intelligence and social media,
it is not the latest technologies,
but the color of the smoke
will announce to the world the election of a new Pope.

The use of smoke signals to announce the choice, or lack thereof,
dates back to the 19th century.

As the KAI agency recently recalled,
bells or oral announcements were previously used,
but smoke
was ultimately chosen as a more unambiguous sign for those waiting in St. Peter's Square.

Issues of symbolism and faith were also important.

In the Catholic tradition,
prayers 'rise' to God.

The use of smoke
evokes these religious rituals
and the accompanying aesthetics
of miracle and mystery."

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tvn24.pl

Tak dowiemy się o wyborze papieża

W zainstalowany na dachu Kaplicy Sykstyńskiej komin w kolejnych dniach wpatrywać się będą miliardy ludzi na całym świecie. W świecie sztucznej inteligencji i mediów społecznościowych to nie najnowsze technologie, a kolor dymu obwieści światu wybór nowego papieża.
tvn24.pl tvn24.pl
 
  • #295

"The Conclave begins.​


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Hailing from 70 different countries,
the geographically diverse group
chanted the meditative 'Litany of the Saints'
and the Latin hymn 'Veni Creator,'
as they walked in.

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Standing before Michelangelo's vision of heaven and hell in 'The Last Judgment,'
each cardinal places his hand on the Gospel
and swears to carry out their duty.

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The Master of papal liturgical ceremonies, Archbishop Diego Ravelli, calls out
'Extra omnes,' Latin for 'all out'.

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The moment the doors to the Sistine Chapel were closed,
marking the beginning of Conclave."

www.dailymail.co.uk

The conclave begins: 133 cardinals enter the Sistine Chapel

Once inside, they will pledge to maintain secrecy about what's about to transpire and to not allow any interference from outsiders to influence their voting.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
  • #296
the schedule for today :)

On Thursday morning, at 7:45am, the Cardinals will depart from Santa Marta to the Apostolic Palace, and at 8:15 AM, they will celebrate Mass and Lauds in the Pauline Chapel. Afterward, at 9:15 AM, there will be mid-morning prayer in the Sistine Chapel.

He clarified that possible timing for smoke could be roughly after 10:30am if there were to be white smoke, and after 12:00pm.

Then at 12:30pm, they return to Santa Marta for lunch.

That afternoon, at 3:45pm, they will return to the Apostolic Palace and will resume voting in the Sistine Chapel at 4:30pm.

For afternoon votes, Bruni noted that possible smoke could appear after 5:30pm, if there were white smoke, otherwise around 7:00pm.
www.vaticannews.va

12th General Congregation focuses on necessary qualities for a future Pope - Vatican News

The day before the beginning of the Conclave, the twelfth and final General Congregation of Cardinals focuses on various qualities important for a ...
www.vaticannews.va www.vaticannews.va

eta: the times are CEST, the local time zone. and we saw yesterday that it could take a little longer too.
 
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  • #297
The live feed from Sky News reveals the cause of yesterday's delay -

The sermon by Raniero Cantalamessa, an Italian cardinal, was longer than expected (between 45 minutes and one hour);

Several cardinals needed help with the translation.

news.sky.com

New pope live: Pope Leo warns of reducing Jesus to 'charismatic leader' - after speaking English at start of first mass

Pope Leo XIV has warned of the dangers of reducing Jesus to a charismatic leader figure while leading his first mass as pontiff. He spoke a few words in English at the start of the service. Catch up with the latest on the new pontiff below.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
  • #298
Yellowbelly said:
The live feed from Sky News reveals the cause of yesterday's delay -

The sermon by Raniero Cantalamessa, an Italian cardinal, was longer than expected (between 45 minutes and one hour);

Several cardinals needed help with the translation.

news.sky.com

New pope live: Pope Leo warns of reducing Jesus to 'charismatic leader' - after speaking English at start of first mass

Pope Leo XIV has warned of the dangers of reducing Jesus to a charismatic leader figure while leading his first mass as pontiff. He spoke a few words in English at the start of the service. Catch up with the latest on the new pontiff below.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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maybe a silly question, but would this information be considered a leak? i thought no information about what happens inside the conclave was supposed to come out at all (though this doesn’t seem harmful or anything)
 
  • #299
detective.moon said:
maybe a silly question, but would this information be considered a leak? i thought no information about what happens inside the conclave was supposed to come out at all (though this doesn’t seem harmful or anything)
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Good question - to which I don't know the answer. Maybe someone else does.

I was wondering yesterday whether the outside world would be told if, for example, one of the cardinals was taken too seriously ill to continue or died while locked away. Obviously if one of them died it would have to be reported at some point, but would that be during or after the conclave?
 
  • #300
Some very strange information on the BBC live feed this morning:

"There will only be smoke rising from the chimney atop the Sistine Chapel if it is white - which means a successor has been elected. If the electing cardinals have not chosen a pope yet, there won't be any smoke."

This contradicts all previous information we have had about the voting process, ie that there would be black smoke after every unsuccessful ballot. Maybe this is another intern issue.

www.bbc.co.uk

New Pope says Church must illuminate 'dark nights of this world' in first Mass

The Pope tells cardinals in the Sistine Chapel the Church must do more work where there is "lack of faith".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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