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The inside story of the sex assault charge against Dezi Freeman that sparked the deadly shootout with police​

For the first time, the details of the shocking sexual abuse allegations against fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman can be revealed.

The disturbing episode involving a young girl is alleged to have taken place years ago during a family outing at Mount Buffalo, the same Victorian high country wilderness where Freeman is now believed to be in hiding.

According to friends of Freeman, the allegations against him centre around a day trip when the self-styled naturist took his children and their friend on a hike to a waterhole behind his property.

It was there that the father-of-three allegedly stripped off to swim naked in front of his sons and the young girl without warning.

'Dezi believes in living like ancient tribes, living off the land and being nude,' a friend told Daily Mail.

The article claims it was shocking sexual abuse and a disturbing episode involving a young girl years ago.
Surely that means there must be more to it than a swim in the nick.
10 cops were sent to Freeman's bus to carry out a search warrant for an historical sexual assault.
Swimming nude is not automatically sexual assault in Victoria, Australia.
Sentences for sexual assault vary depending on the specific circumstances of the offence, with community correction orders in the Magistrates' Court.
Alternatively, for indecent exposure in Victoria, an offender may receive a CCO and/or a fine.
IMO not only was Freeman being charged with the incorrect offence if the DM story is correct, it was totally OTT to send 10 officers with a crowbar and the ability to climb into his bus through a window. MOO
 
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Her, her toddler and teenage son apparently. I can't understand how the whole family managed to leave without being caught. I guess it will all be revealed in time
That's the million dollar question isn't it. Hopefully the family will reveal what happened after police arrived on the property.
 
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I agree that a person with an ideology like his would most likely be set on rejecting authority, making de-escalation tough, in my opinion.

With a fresh head I have thought more about this.

So, according to news articles (links provided to each source):

1. Dezi had been claiming disability payments for more than 20 years, according to friends and his neighbours. (1) (2)
Note: Importantly, there are no media reports alleging he was faking his disability to receive payments.

2. Dezi self-identified on court documents as a "disability pensioner".

3. One former associate, who had known him since the 90's, describes him per the following:
But the man described Freeman as “unemployable” because of his issues with authority and his mental health.

Freeman confirmed in documents he filed in the Victorian supreme court last year that he was a “disability pensioner” whose wife and three children survived on a single Centrelink payment.

“He couldn’t hold a job because he had mental health issues … [and] as soon as there was any authority, he didn’t react to it well,” the former friend said. “He wasn’t violent or anything, he just didn’t tolerate it.”


4. Dezi worked sporadically as a photographer and as a diving / abseiling instructor at The Gorge near Bright.

5. Quite a few news articles say that he was into deer hunting, with one associate claiming Dezi could "could carry two freshly killed deer on his back" (1) (2) (3)

6. Dezi's own Youtube channel - Buffalo Dezi - shows him canoeing through rapids.

7. He is otherwise described by associates in many news articles as being fit / physically active / similar description. (1) (2) (3)

In my opinion, points 1 through 7 raise questions about the nature of his disability, whether physical or mental, which could have been an invisible disability.

Notably, Dezi was scheduled to see a doctor for his deteriorating mental state on the very day of the incident.

According to this Daily Mail article:

The standoff involved 10 officers, lasted about 27 minutes, and for part of that time, they used a crowbar to pry the door, and one officer forced open a window to enter. The article describes the video as a "fraught confrontation", using descriptions such as "his voice shook with rage", "Freeman's emotions became increasingly fraught.", "His voice rose and cracked", "But Freeman only spiralled further.".

So in my opinion, it sounds like, despite the officers' patience with him (indicated by the 27 minutes, and the article's comments about the officers, "he was using his experience to try and defuse the situation.", "She once again took the warrant to the door, urging Freeman to read it and 'just take a breath.'"), the situation continually escalated.

According to the same Daily Mail article, during the standoff, Dezi "claimed he had autism and post-traumatic stress disorder, and insisted a disability liaison officer be present."

Given all of the above mentioned reports of Dezi's mental health struggles and his claimed conditions (autism and PTSD), even without formal diagnoses, I can't help but wonder if alternative approaches could have altered the outcome. Of course, hindsight is 20/20. I just don't understand why at the least a trained negotiator wasn't deployed.

According to this Guardian article: a former friend has questioned whether police were aware of his deteriorating mental health, suggesting that sending 10 officers to his door to execute a warrant would have been “the worst thing for him”.

and

"Given Freeman’s history with firearms and interactions with police, the man questioned the decision of officers to execute the warrant as they had on Tuesday.

The Victorian chief police commissioner, Mike Bush, has confirmed that a risk assessment was done and that it had considered deploying the special operations group from Melbourne, but did not request the elite tactical unit."


Has anyone found reports on successful de-escalations in similar cases?
I think your opinion is very thoughtful and important into Dezi Freeman's possible frame of mind at the time the officer's arrived at the bus. If there was a badge for a very well written comment then you should get one IMO.
 
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Ok. I'm seeing a bus with a makeshift kitchen at the front. I'm guessing that there is also a back entrance from the bus to toilet/bathroom. So he shoots 3 officers. One had gotten into the bus feet first. Reports have stated than he fired out the bus door, then out the window. Wonder in what order. Other police hide. So he, wife and child escape. How? Did he go to underground bunker or something, and she simple took her son to her friend??? How did she get away unseen?? I am totally confused. Maybe I need to go back to the start of this case.
I’m with you. Totally confused how him , wife and 2 year old child (and the 15 year old too? I’m not sure on that) could escape unseen after the carnage he caused, given that there were at least 5 police men outside the bus - 3 were gunned down but it leaves 2 within close proximity plus another 5 officer on the premises?
 
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The article claims it was shocking sexual abuse and a disturbing episode involving a young girl years ago.
Surely that means there must be more to it than a swim in the nick.
10 cops were sent to Freeman's bus to carry out a search warrant for an historical sexual assault.
Swimming nude is not automatically sexual assault in Victoria, Australia.
Sentences for sexual assault vary depending on the specific circumstances of the offence, with community correction orders in the Magistrates' Court.
Alternatively, for indecent exposure in Victoria, an offender may receive a CCO and/or a fine.
IMO not only was Freeman being charged with the incorrect offence if the DM story is correct, it was totally OTT to send 10 officers with a crowbar and the ability to climb into his bus through a window. MOO
Agreed, based on the limited information we have it certainly seems OTT to send 10 police officers and a crowbar over indecent exposure.

There must be more to the story imo
 
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I'm not sure someone so anti authority could be calmed in this case. It sounds like the police officer who knew him, handled the situation very tactfully. IMO I believe the police did the best they could under the circumstances.
Btw, all of his mental issues could have derived from his belief in Sovereign Citizens. I don't see it as relevant to probe into any other disability.
To be fair, as the parent of a disabled child, his mental state and how I react to him makes all the difference in the world as to whether we are going to have a good day, an ok day, or a horrible day. All things I have had to learn the hard way and over time. And it's not fair, but it's just the way it is.
 
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I’m with you. Totally confused how him , wife and 2 year old child (and the 15 year old too? I’m not sure on that) could escape unseen after the carnage he caused, given that there were at least 5 police men outside the bus - 3 were gunned down but it leaves 2 within close proximity plus another 5 officer on the premises?
At first I had thought that the other police officers might have been down the driveway, but the video stills show everyone right there at the bus
 
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At first I had thought that the other police officers might have been down the driveway, but the video stills show everyone right there at the bus
I could see 5 police officers outside the bus, not all 10. But haven’t watched the video and have only seen stills from it.
 
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At first I had thought that the other police officers might have been down the driveway, but the video stills show everyone right there at the bus

I thought that too, that the other officers were down the driveway and that's what gave Dezi the time to slip away.
 
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Or did DF use the wife and child/ren as shields and that’s why they were intitally reported as possible hostages?
 
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Or did DF use the wife and child/ren as shields and that’s why they were intitally reported as possible hostages?
Possible, but I think that only works before you have shot at police? I honestly don't know, just a guess
 
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If reports were correct, I found it strange that when police arrested Freeman's wife and teenager the police stayed a safe distance away from the house the pair were staying in and called over a speaker system to come outside with nothing in their hands.
There would have been more appropriate ways of handling things, but that method alone would have been one way to issue a warrant on Dezi with the whole place surrounded, rather than knocking on his door with a crowbar and climbing into the bus through a window. MOO
Understanding his mentality and realizing what he was capable of doing were keys to a peaceful outcome IMO
 
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If that were the case, wouldn't it have come out by now? I've not seen any mentions in news articles or otherwise across the web.
Neither have I.

As to your question, I can think of two general possibilities:

A- Parents know that Freeman is volatile and has supporters. No sexual contact occurred. They put the "Aw shucks- just me being me" nudity behind them and want to keep it that way.

B- Freeman has not had any additional "Aw shucks" situations regarding nudity.

In addition to no additional reports of nudity, there are also no reports that Freeman dived, canoed etc. in the nude (liked he claimed to have routinely enjoyed).

Freeman then takes it all off and swims in what he believes to be "tribal" style in front of a non family female. Additional incidents, or no additional incidents, I doubt the reported incident was simply an "Aw shucks".

Rather, I think Freeman selected the occasion and the female for reasons other than enthusiastic "tribal" swimming.
 
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Marg944, if you were able to get a camera up into that mountain I think your observation skills are good enough to see Freeman moving or not moving and you could send the coordinates to police to receive the $1m. Maybe police could even pay you for keeping an eye on the bus from the camera they mounted.
Seriously I think you're doing an amazing job watching things and keeping WS updated on progress. JMO
 
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If reports were correct, I found it strange that when police arrested Freeman's wife and teenager the police stayed a safe distance away from the house the pair were staying in and called over a speaker system to come outside with nothing in their hands.
There would have been more appropriate ways of handling things, but that method alone would have been one way to issue a warrant on Dezi with the whole place surrounded, rather than knocking on his door with a crowbar and climbing into the bus through a window. MOO
Understanding his mentality and realizing what he was capable of doing were keys to a peaceful outcome IMO
It’s possible that they tried that method first when serving the warrant to DF. It’s possible he did not respond to their request when asked to come outside and they started moving in closer to the bus.
imo
 
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Understanding his mentality and realizing what he was capable of doing were keys to a peaceful outcome IMO
I doubt anybody had the keys to a peaceful outcome. Once Freeman was firmly committed to rejecting governmental authority regarding anything that he did not want to do, a violent confrontation was going to happen at some point.

The only key to a peaceful outcome would be that the authorities made a firm commitment to never, ever, take action against Freeman regarding the indecent exposure.

Once winning exposure battle, Freeman would very likely announce that he wanted a firm government commitment to exempt him from taxes, vehicle registrations, weapons laws etc. In effect, Sovereigns will demand more and more until a confrontation occurs.
 
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Is ten officers usual when it comes to investigating something like indecent exposure?
 
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Agreed, based on the limited information we have it certainly seems OTT to send 10 police officers and a crowbar over indecent exposure.

There must be more to the story imo
There is more to the story.

Freeman was not just a guy facing an indecent exposure charge, he was a known sovereign citizen afficionado who had rejected governmental authority (well, except in regards to his disability checks).
So, the police brought reinforcements knowing that there was an increased chance of resistance.

As a side note, Indecent Exposure type charges can still be dangerous for officers in other circumstances as well.

I imagine that most unemployed (able) and self employed are not inclined to resist. Ditto for people with employers who have a higher tolerance for criminal charges.

But.... for a pastor, teacher, school councilor, member of the armed forces etc. that same Indecent Exposure charge can be life changing / career ending. Thus, an increased chances of "suicide by cop- and maybe take one with me." type impulsive actions.
 
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