Possible Human Remains Found and DNA Testing

[cyberborg]

Hickory Police Statement released today:

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Zahras-biological-mother-headed-to-NC-107221463.html

Hickory police have not confirmed the discovery of human remains, but released a statement Thursday saying, "Search teams in Caldwell County yesterday located evidence that could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case. This evidence will be analyzed at the NC State Bureau of Investigation's lab. We understand the concern and interest in this case by the public but we must be cautious in prematurely releasing information so it will not jeopardize any future criminal proceedings."

Exactly.

So the media in typical fashion are racing ahead with this and they *may* have internal sources but LE are being very careful to make sure that they are 100% sure and immediate family have been notified before making any statement publicly.

It is good the have the 'media scoop' but until LE makes a statement then it is pure speculation ... all we know is LE have recovered evidence. IMO

 

[Patty G]

Jennifer Moxley reports that human remains were found today, and that Zahra's mother went to the Hickory home today to recover Zahra's things that were left behind.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=158671645926#!/profile.php?id=100000838103427&v=wall

IMO, we all know there were things left in the home once LE was finished with the house, however, Adam was there with a U-Haul and may have moved everything out of the house at that time.

We don't even know if Emily got into the house because I doubt the house was unlocked. She may have contacted the owner of the home, but we don't even know that either. :banghead:

 

[tehcloser]

Well, but we knew all about Adam because of media....and Moxley is media, and she says "to recover Zahra's things that were left behind", so unless we are just picking and choosing which media to believe....then we now "know" there were things left behind after Adam had the u-haul and that E was at the house and collected them.

 

[Patty G]

Well, but we knew all about Adam because of media....and Moxley is media, and she says "to recover Zahra's things that were left behind", so unless we are just picking and choosing which media to believe....then we now "know" there were things left behind after Adam had the u-haul and that E was at the house and collected them.

:waitasec: No media was at the house to know anything.

Now Emily may have told Moxley she was going to get Zahra's things, because the media had it out there that Zahra's clothes were in the closet. However, that does not mean Emily got in the house and was able to get anything IF there was anything to get.

IMO, since Granny went with Adam and the U-Haul, Granny would have taken every single thing that belonged to Zahra. JMO

 

[LCoastMom]

I remember being shocked when they were through with the area where Caylee Anthony was found and folks started snooping. I guess once they're done then there's no reason to expend time/energy/resources is keeping it blocked from the public.

I can understand the property has to be released and even folks that stopped by the little memorial to pay their respects for Caylee being dumped on that awful piece of land - but the snoops just creep me out.

It appeared to me from videos in the news, after they were done collecting all the evidence from the search for Caylee's remains, that LE removed every scrap of their investigation, which showed so much respect to me and I appreciate their efforts all the more.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Butwhatif just posted in SAR thread that channel 7 is reporting ED was informed that the find yesterday was human remains, and believed to be Zahra.

 

[bethiek]

I will say that the media may NOT be off course in what they reported about evidence. I won't post specifics but just to say we are local and DH works in the public. He came home today telling me about a piece of evidence being found yesterday that will prove helpful. This is aside from the remains. If he knew and had heard then media could know more. It's all hearsay and rumors at this point but could have basis in fact. Our local news DID say though that these WERE human remains that were found.

 

[sophclown]

They just left Zahra's belongings at the house?????????????? OMG.

So Adam had that big uhaul and he left Zahra's things behind ? This just speaks volumes to me ! Adam's 911 call reporting Zahra missing spoke volumes, too!!! I can't believe he is still walking free!

 

[tehcloser]

:waitasec: No media was at the house to know anything.

Now Emily may have told Moxley she was going to get Zahra's things, because the media had it out there that Zahra's clothes were in the closet. However, that does not mean Emily got in the house and was able to get anything IF there was anything to get.

IMO, since Granny went with Adam and the U-Haul, Granny would have taken every single thing that belonged to Zahra. JMO

I wish I was as sure as you that "Granny" would have took everything. I can't say that for sure.

 

[butwhatif?]

I just posted this on another thread, but thought I'd put it here too.

Channel 7 news (11am) just reported from Hickory NC that LE confirmed to Emily that the remains ARE human, and are believed to be Zahra. Media from Oz with Emily in NC.

 

[Patty G]

I wish I was as sure as you that "Granny" would have took everything. I can't say that for sure.

I feel in my heart that Granny took all of Zahra's belongings especially IF she had any thought that Emily was coming to the USA. Also because Granny cared for Zahra through the most difficult times Zahra had with her cancer treatments and would keep everything that belonged to her granddaughter.

Only time will tell to see if Emily actually got into the house and maybe we will know that real soon. :blowkiss:

 

[belimom]

Regarding the remains... Were they near the bone that was found previously? If not, then my theory about the amputation of either the other leg or the remainder of the same leg was what they found. :cry:

How cruel. To what depths of Hell does your soul go to in order to perform such an act?!? :furious:

 

[Hamsterdance]

IIRC, the report of AB moving items out with KB to the uhaul mentioned that they took all of Zahra's toys (somehow I doubt she had many ), so it makes me wonder what, if anything was left for ED to retrieve from the house.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/07/baker-empties-house-u-haul-ar-517169/

"One woman asked why Baker was helping a “murderer” and the two got into a shouting match before Baker got into a station wagon loaded with Zahra’s toys and was driven away, McAlpine said.

Baker got into another car and followed his mother. Then the U-Haul drove away behind them."

It must have been traumatizing for ED to see the condition of that horror house! I truly hope she has someone with her for comfort.

If it was Zahra's remains that LE found as the media is reporting, I hope they found 'all' of her, or as much as possible That little girl deserves a decent burial, and to go home with her Mom. I bet she often dreamed that her real Mom would one day come to rescue her.

Hopefully the next media report I read should announce charges for AB & EB.

 

[tlcya]

Wonder if ED even knew that AB had been to the house with a u-haul? How long and when was she in transit? That's a pretty long flight?

Also, even if she did know he's supposedly removed everything, maybe she suspected he had cruelly left behind Z's things. Maybe she just wanted to stand in the space her daughter probably last drew breath, but didn't want to voice that private thought, that very personal need, for all of our (JQ Public) benefit and open herself up for more of our opinions and viewpoints of her every move?

I just don't see why it's relevant to what happened or who harmed Zahra, I guess.

ETA I spose I am not even sure this topic belongs debated here? This is the human remains and DNA thread?

 

[butwhatif?]

I just posted this on another thread, but thought I'd put it here too.

Channel 7 news (11am) just reported from Hickory NC that LE confirmed to Emily that the remains ARE human, and are believed to be Zahra. Media from Oz with Emily in NC.

MAJOR APOLOGIES to everyone for my error in reporting the above

CORRECTION:

ED was told about the 'find' when she was at Hickory PD this afternoon (US time I'm assuming) . She is shattered but was expecting it. Hickory PD have not officially said they are human remains as they are waiting for scientific confirmation.

Here's the vid, under the title: Zahra Baker remains 'found' (1:18)
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/

 

[lauriej]

IMO, we all know there were things left in the home once LE was finished with the house, however, Adam was there with a U-Haul and may have moved everything out of the house at that time.

We don't even know if Emily got into the house because I doubt the house was unlocked. She may have contacted the owner of the home, but we don't even know that either. :banghead:

...i'm inclined to go with what the neighbours SAW with their own 2 eyes----that she visited the memorial only---

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25757069/detail.html

 

[Pondering Mind]

...i'm inclined to go with what the neighbours SAW with their own 2 eyes----that she visited the memorial only---

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25757069/detail.html

That's what I thought too!..and that it was reported that she arrived at the Baker house to retrieve the rest of Zahra's belongings @ 6am this morning.

 

[Pondering Mind]

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nursebeems post from the media thread today~

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Hickory police would only say they did find evidence and it's being tested by the SBI. Zahra Baker's mother Emily arrived in Hickory from her home in Australia Wednesday night and she went to the house around 6 a.m. Thursday. She wanted to collect Zahra's things that were left behind.

 

[Kamille]

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nursebeems post from the media thread today~

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Hickory police would only say they did find evidence and it's being tested by the SBI. Zahra Baker's mother Emily arrived in Hickory from her home in Australia Wednesday night and she went to the house around 6 a.m. Thursday. She wanted to collect Zahra's things that were left behind.

ED has been following this case very closely online. She most likely believed, as we all did, that the items that were photographed in Zahra's closet were left behind. No doubt she saw all of the pictures of the house after the search. But as she was on her way over, AB went to the house and picked up the rest of the personal belongings in the house.

I believe I saw or read today that ED spent 45 minutes outside the home looking at and reading notes at the memorial tree, spoke with the neighbours, and took a couple of stuffed animals from the pile at the memorial tree.

MOO

 

[bethiek]

Just wanted to post that our local news said that the search is over. This was live just 2 minutes ago. They said they had spoken to someone in the police station who said they were NOT searching tomorrow and that from the evidence found the search was over. They also said that bio mom was at the police station but that LE would not confirm that. So so sad, but hopefully justice for Zahra.