Possible Significance of the Neighbors Names?

[Cher352]

Is Fernandez across the street?

No they are next to each other. This is the OCPA map of the two.

http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx?pin=302313129600690

 

[TxLady2]

Interesting thread and coincidence on the body location / neighbor names.

Trying to work in the parameters here of not discussing the neighbors (which I agree with, BTW), if I compare reverse phone searches with property records, the "FG" property did not become a "FG" property until April 2008, and it was a sale of 0$. The first name before and after the sale is the same "unusual" first name, implying the property title was changed as a result of marriage.

The date of the change coincides very closely with a very large Photobucket upload by KC with a lot of cynical and serious icons relating to love.

Could this alleged marriage which precipitated a title change be something known generally through the neighborhood? Would such an alleged marriage have been burned into KC's brain, and called up later when she needed to conjure her nanny story?

I'm confused. Are you saying that this person's name with the unusual "Z" married someone with the "FG" initials? Thus making her a "ZFG"?
I'm tired, it's been a long day, so forgive me if I have trouble following your post. And why are we using the initials, when this name has been public for 6 months??
Also, Gonzales is a very common name among hispanics in Texas, as is Fernandez (and Hernandez)... but I have never heard this name "Zaneida" before, and I worked with many hispanics for years.

 

[tx_Dot]

I'm confused. Are you saying that this person's name with the unusual "Z" married someone with the "FG" initials? Thus making her a "ZFG"?
I'm tired, it's been a long day, so forgive me if I have trouble following your post. And why are we using the initials, when this name has been public for 6 months??
Also, Gonzales is a very common name among hispanics in Texas, as is Fernandez (and Hernandez)... but I have never heard this name "Zaneida" before, and I worked with many hispanics for years.

aren't we all....LOL

the family in the house on the corner of hopespring/suburban is last named G
(first name starts with F, but not important)........their neighbor next door is a lady with first name Z.

The 'remains site' is directly behind these two backyards.

just ANOTHER bizzare twist in this mess

 

[wedavis]

The only connection I see with the T's in this newest twist is Kio & what she first said upon hearing Caylee was *missing.......Kio "knew where KC would bury something".......& prolly told her parents & neighbors even before she told LE.

LOL...the neighbors names @ the remains site is about as strange as the ZG/sawgrass apt. fiasco.

Maybe the PIs were going off a suspicion from CA that Kio was the real Zanny (remember that phase?) and that is why they took such an interest in the area.

 

[tx_Dot]

Maybe the PIs were going off a suspicion from CA that Kio was the real Zanny (remember that phase?) and that is why they took such an interest in the area.

I don't think CA knew Kio that well......

no doubt Kio told neighbors/parents/LE about the 'secret place'......but that 'news' was prolly 10 yrs. old......sure makes you wonder what morbid things these 'middle school girls' talked about, since Kio "knows where KC would bury something."

Remember the "wrong KC" phone call Kio got ???...I'm wondering if it was KC, & maybe she said something that made Kio think something was wrong (re: Caylee).......can't figure out why Kio wouldn't tell, if there was such a call.

Also strange that Kio changed her mind about upping her phone records, that would prove if she & KC had talked or not.

 

[Psmith]

CA, too asked KC about a "Tia T" (was supposed to have said something about CA & a mental cond.).........KC says NO she doesn't know her.....
but it seems a Tia (Tatiana) is related to Kio as they are all listed @ the same address on hopespring.

Kio was talking to neighbors even before she talked to LE.

Look and listen again, Cindy mispronounced a name, KC acts like she doesn't know what Cindy means. (But she does. Meanwhile pretending it might be a joke, a restaurant, or something). I think in the same area, Cindy says KC has said Cindy is crazy.....same laugh, "Oh, mom!"

I'm all for this idea of connecting, but take a look at context.

 

[Psmith]

The only connection I see with the T's in this newest twist is Kio & what she first said upon hearing Caylee was *missing.......Kio "knew where KC would bury something".......& prolly told her parents & neighbors even before she told LE.

LOL...the neighbors names @ the remains site is about as strange as the ZG/sawgrass apt. fiasco.

The Zone (pet burial ground) and hangout are *not* near site. Sorry. PIs were within 10 feet.

 

[Psmith]

Is not a clue. Zone and hangout were not the site, they were too far or opposite side of street. The T is taken out of context, it was spoken by LA. But PI somehow got within 10 feet, visited 4 times, took a probe and used it rather well, dug with a shovel, etc. : )

While we're on it, why not the streets in Orlando that have state names, the places where Zanny might be? KC did mention those, too. She said a lot of things.

The only person who did know was KC.....now who told Dominic C where to look, who was on the phone?

I am merely taking the stance of prosecuting attorney: what can I say to make jurors *believe* me and not embarass myself if cross-questioned witnesses or testimony come in via Kio, LA, etc? Open the neighbor theory, and adios, amigo / adieu mon ami.

This angle is *not* it.

We WSers try very hard....let's wait for next "present" of doct dump from LE per FL Sunshine Law.

Peace out.

 

[LinasK]

Tia does mean aunt in Spanish, and Gonzalez/Gonzales is a very common Hispanic last name. I think it's pure coincidence. Casey got her info off ZF-G's card at the Sawgrass apartments, even down to her daughter's names correctly!

 

[TakeNote]

ok just a thought about the name ZG
what does the houses with the names and
sawgrass apt ZG have in common

real estate/realtor

any thoughts?

 

[Psmith]

Tia does mean aunt in Spanish, and Gonzalez/Gonzales is a very common Hispanic last name. I think it's pure coincidence. Casey got her info off ZF-G's card at the Sawgrass apartments, even down to her daughter's names correctly!

Cindy has no idea what she is saying. Look again and watch as she looks at paper, tries to figure out notes, pronounces it, head awry, unsure. KC giggle, passes it off, ha ha. (I did too, thought CA was talking about a food place.) Yes, KC knows (look at her face, head gesture, eyes) who CA is talking about, but deflects....Huh, no idea.

Deflects because of what KC said about mom (crazy as in insane) to Kio or other touchy matters perhaps?

Or nothing really, just that the sociopath's group of people is getting to know each other = share info = truth = uh oh. Princess no longer...Narcissism does not like this sort of thing.

 

[JBean]

PLease don;t discuss the personal lives of the neighbors. We are not researching their personal infomration and posting it.

 

[Psmith]

Agree there. We are at starvation levels for more data. This neighbor names / location theory is only so good as the prosecution can sell it. Not very well, in my opinion. Info will not stick / cohere. (See above.) I am tired too....Why doesn't KC just confess, laugh at us all, and be done? (sigh)

See you next later, same channel, for the latest escapade and strange thing.... : )

 

[wedavis]

This angle is *not* it.

Yes ma'am we will stop discussing it right now!

 

[Crafti]

I don't think she wanted the body found. I think she was game-playing. Sociopaths enjoy being "smarter" than everyone else.

She may have derived great satisfaction from being able to pat herself on the back and say, "I told them the truth! They're just too stupid to figure it out!"

I agree!

 

[Crafti]

In light of the alledged "overwhelming evidence" and the location of the body, I think KC wanted the body to be found. The proported time-line has Caylee murder happening after the fight with CA.

If the motive was punishment of CA by killing Caylee, taking this a sociopathic leap forward, she wanted the family to find the body first and if not possible then LE second. This way she could maximize CA's pain and anguish. Ditto for the kidnapping story etc.

Aside from discovery taking longer than she intended and getting caught, she was successful at hurting CA beyond her wildest dreams. In many ways I find this more diabolical and reprehensible than her alledged filicide.

While Caylee was an innocent child, her suffering was likely short. KC manipulated and hurt her mother and will continue to hurt her for the rest of her days-- by this I mean CA, should justice be served on KC in such a way that CA outlives her.

Bolded by me. That's exactly what I think, and your entire post.

 

[Laece]

Are these the same people that were linked through myspace? My guess is that's where she got the idea from, because all of the names match her stories.

exactly. the names may be common (though not to me, i don't know any gloria, victor, or even samantha) but in any case, it is unlikely that it is coincidence that caused casey to pick those exact names of people she knew or knew of to say they were zenaida's family.

 

[JWG]

I'm confused. Are you saying that this person's name with the unusual "Z" married someone with the "FG" initials? Thus making her a "ZFG"?
I'm tired, it's been a long day, so forgive me if I have trouble following your post. And why are we using the initials, when this name has been public for 6 months??
Also, Gonzales is a very common name among hispanics in Texas, as is Fernandez (and Hernandez)... but I have never heard this name "Zaneida" before, and I worked with many hispanics for years.

No...and I am trying hard to work within the privacy boundaries required for this thread.

What I am saying is that the FG at the end of Hopespring has a middle initial L making it FLG according to reverse address search. Orange county shows the property owner as FL. There was a 0$ sale in mid April, indicating a property transfer. Initially I thought it was due to a marriage, but now I see it was probably the other way around based on the transaction information.

So now I am wondering....when did KC start talking about GA and CA getting a divorce and KC getting the property? Could what have apparantly happened up at the end of Hopespring been known to KC, and the transaction planted the seed in her brain? :waitasec:

JBean...know I am walking the edge on neighbor privacy here but this seemed relevant. If you disagree let me know and I'd be happy to chat about how to keep it in bounds.

 

[tx_Dot]

Maybe the PIs were going off a suspicion from CA that Kio was the real Zanny (remember that phase?) and that is why they took such an interest in the area.

With all the talk about these wooded areas from the beginning, I suprised MORE people wern't searching.....

but Tim Miller did say it was like finding 'a needle in the haystack'

all the rain didn't help either...

 

[tx_Dot]

Look and listen again, Cindy mispronounced a name, KC acts like she doesn't know what Cindy means. (But she does. Meanwhile pretending it might be a joke, a restaurant, or something). I think in the same area, Cindy says KC has said Cindy is crazy.....same laugh, "Oh, mom!"

I'm all for this idea of connecting, but take a look at context.

What do you think CA said ???.....if she mispronounced the name "Tia T"

(I think I've read (CA said) "Tia T" somewhere too.....maybe in a NG transcript.)