Possible Victim: Natasha Jugo, 31, Queens, Body Washed Ashore and belongings found on Gilgo Beach Mar 2013 *car fnd Ocean Pkwy*

  • #381
The only problem is that MW and MBB were not lured out to long island. MW called her pimp or boyfriend which ever you prefer to call him and said she was walking to the gas station to get cigs. MBB just wanted to go home and had no reason to go on another call. MBB and MW both also did not have cars to drive the 30 min. Not only that but both MW and MBB did not do out calls they did in calls.
I'm thinking a sexual sadist. And that there was some type of sexual encounter. When the LISK called MB little sister he went on to tell her about things he had done to MB sexually before killing her.
My only problem with Natasha being a victim of the LISK and that LE is not saying this for what ever reason. Is that LE had no problem publicly announcing that they are not ruling out the possibility that the lady found on January 23, 2013 near Oyster Bay is connected to the LISK. So why say it for one woman and not the other?

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Why did her pimp friend leave her by herself out in Long Island with literally no means of transportation back to the city. It does not add up! And if the girl only did incalls why is her pimp driving her out so far?

It is just my hunch, you can call it clairvoyance, psychic ability or whatever. I believe the person behind this is an older man (60 years +) man who getting help from a younger individual. He is someone who you would never think is capable of such crimes. A person law enforcement would never consider. The bodies are being dumped by a younger individual.

In my opinion the Long Island police department does not have the resources to investigate and nail these cases.
 
  • #382
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Why did her pimp friend leave her by herself out in Long Island with literally no means of transportation back to the city. It does not add up! And if the girl only did incalls why is her pimp driving her out so far?

It is just my hunch, you can call it clairvoyance, psychic ability or whatever. I believe the person behind this is an older man (60 years +) man who getting help from a younger individual. He is someone who you would never think is capable of such crimes. A person law enforcement would never consider. The bodies are being dumped by a younger individual.

In my opinion the Long Island police department does not have the resources to investigate and nail these cases.

Shannon Gilbert was the one who did out calls and had a driver who drove her out to Oak Beach. I have no idea what MP (her driver) was thinking. Or what happen that night. SG is the only one who I think LE messed up terribly with. And came out to soon saying she had drown when in fact there was no way to tell. She was also missing bones in her neck so no one could even tell if she was strangled like the other four girls were.
MW-Megan Waterman and MBB-Maureen Brainard-Barnes are the two girls I was talking about that only did in calls. MBB worked alone and did not have a pimp or driver. MW had a pimp but I don't think there was ever a driver. The other two girls out of the GB4, ALC, and MB were however known to do out calls along with SG who is still not considered to be part of GB4. I question if MB was lured out to Long Island. ALC was picked up a block from her house. I don't think she had to be lured.
I don't recall ever calling you or your theories clairvoyance, psychic ability or whatever. You can believe what ever you chose to it don't matter to me. I was just pointing out a few facts about how the girls went missing to start conversation because sometimes when you go back and forth on ideas and have two different points of views that is how answers are found. And some of the best ideas come about well people just ramble on with each other. Sorry if I offended you.
I do agree with you that LE does not have the resources to investigate and nail these cases but I think they don't because when you think about it the bodies of the girls were found a little late because they did not take their disappearance serious enough. By the time they found all four bodies and figured out that a serial killer was behind all of them going missing the evidence was all ready gone for the most part.
 
  • #383
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Why did her pimp friend leave her by herself out in Long Island with literally no means of transportation back to the city. It does not add up! And if the girl only did incalls why is her pimp driving her out so far?

It is just my hunch, you can call it clairvoyance, psychic ability or whatever. I believe the person behind this is an older man (60 years +) man who getting help from a younger individual. He is someone who you would never think is capable of such crimes. A person law enforcement would never consider. The bodies are being dumped by a younger individual.

In my opinion the Long Island police department does not have the resources to investigate and nail these cases.

BBM... Why Pak left her AND why he was driving her instead of her "bf" are two questions I've asked repeatedly for a long time. I've now decided... I'll never know.
 
  • #384
So the level of decomp makes sense with that water temp. (from water temp info in a previous link) The critters not feeding is another.
 
  • #385
I never believed the GB4 or SG is the work of a serial killer(s) as most people define them as. And I still don't believe it. Serial killers just don't dump bodies in the same location if they can avoid it. They are by nature paranoid and believe their body has been discovered and the police are waiting for them to return.

The exception to that is when a serial killer buries the bodies at their own home. Because they are paranoid they don't take the chance of being discovered when they transport the bodies.

They would not chance taking a body to a closed tight knit community such as Oak Beach where everyone knows 'your name' CHEERS. Whoever dumped those bodies felt secure in doing so. They were comfortable with the area because they lived in the area or knew it very well.

This is the work of KILLERS, not a serial killer. Killers that don't care because they know they will not get caught and they know the cops will have a very difficult time proving it when, and if the bodies are discovered.

Sorry, folks but I was around for 2500 homicides, in one way or another that makes me what I believe is probably true.

I told you folks before that when I was in the middle of my retirement and was going home in a very quiet community I happened across a crime scene where a body was dumped in the trunk in a car. In less than 2 minutes after a detective told me the car came from Ridgewood, Queens I was able to tell them who did the murder and where they could be found. A NCPD detective scoffed at me. He said no one is going to take a body from Ridgewood to dump in Jericho and risk being caught. What he didn't understand is these people just don't give a rat's rectum about being linked to the murder. They just didn't care.

I was proven to be right. The NCPD witness refused to cooperate after he learned the killers were OC. The FEDS made the case on a RICO and convicted the killers on a RICO.

Don't complicate this any further than it has to be. SG made a visit to Brewer's house and she wound up dying. The GB4 were prostitutes and wound up dead in Oak Beach.

The police went out of their way to say SG died from unknown causes. They went so far as to say she died from an accidental drowning when there is no official cause of death. And that was said by no other than a very stupid police commissioner.

We can speculate that SG died by a Martian Invasion. The Police Commissioner CANNOT. The question is why did he do it? if that doesn't tell you something then I don't know what will.

The Det.Stephan letter to Newsday is another WHOPPER.

The rumor of Biseent is only another a matter that should get intelligent people thinking.

I don't know who killed the GB4 and if SG was murdered. And I don't pretend to know. But what I DO know is what we have heard so far is just plain BS.
 
  • #386
If it were more then one person - your suggesting they are still connected though, right?
 
  • #387
I never believed the GB4 or SG is the work of a serial killer(s) as most people define them as. And I still don't believe it. Serial killers just don't dump bodies in the same location if they can avoid it. They are by nature paranoid and believe their body has been discovered and the police are waiting for them to return.

The exception to that is when a serial killer buries the bodies at their own home. Because they are paranoid they don't take the chance of being discovered when they transport the bodies.

They would not chance taking a body to a closed tight knit community such as Oak Beach where everyone knows 'your name' CHEERS. Whoever dumped those bodies felt secure in doing so. They were comfortable with the area because they lived in the area or knew it very well.

This is the work of KILLERS, not a serial killer. Killers that don't care because they know they will not get caught and they know the cops will have a very difficult time proving it when, and if the bodies are discovered.

Sorry, folks but I was around for 2500 homicides, in one way or another that makes me what I believe is probably true.

I told you folks before that when I was in the middle of my retirement and was going home in a very quiet community I happened across a crime scene where a body was dumped in the trunk in a car. In less than 2 minutes after a detective told me the car came from Ridgewood, Queens I was able to tell them who did the murder and where they could be found. A NCPD detective scoffed at me. He said no one is going to take a body from Ridgewood to dump in Jericho and risk being caught. What he didn't understand is these people just don't give a rat's rectum about being linked to the murder. They just didn't care.

I was proven to be right. The NCPD witness refused to cooperate after he learned the killers were OC. The FEDS made the case on a RICO and convicted the killers on a RICO.

Don't complicate this any further than it has to be. SG made a visit to Brewer's house and she wound up dying. The GB4 were prostitutes and wound up dead in Oak Beach.

The police went out of their way to say SG died from unknown causes. They went so far as to say she died from an accidental drowning when there is no official cause of death. And that was said by no other than a very stupid police commissioner.

We can speculate that SG died by a Martian Invasion. The Police Commissioner CANNOT. The question is why did he do it? if that doesn't tell you something then I don't know what will.

The Det.Stephan letter to Newsday is another WHOPPER.

The rumor of Biseent is only another a matter that should get intelligent people thinking.

I don't know who killed the GB4 and if SG was murdered. And I don't pretend to know. But what I DO know is what we have heard so far is just plain BS.

There are many serial killers who use the same dump site over and over. To name a few prolific ones, Gary Ridgeway, Wesley Shermantine and Loren Herzog, Ian Brady & Myra Hindley (The Moors Murders).
 
  • #388
Hawk- my opinion and why. It is a local who left GB4 is well documented on this site. Thanks for the support.
 
  • #389
wonder if ROSSMO'S FORMULA of cell grids could help--
another poster here at one time had an "interesting" geomapping/geoprofiling summation

perhaps we compare that to results using the ROSSMO model
 
  • #390
wonder if ROSSMO'S FORMULA of cell grids could help--
another poster here at one time had an "interesting" geomapping/geoprofiling summation

perhaps we compare that to results using the ROSSMO model


Rossmo appears to use crime scene locations, but all we have are the locations of the remains (and/or the "general" place the victim was last seen)... would the formula still work?
 
  • #391
I don't think it's a serial killer in the conventional sense, either -- not somebody who is killing for the thrill. I think he's basically an enforcer. Gets rid of troublesome girls or maybe business rivals, keep the other girls in line, but it's all business, nothing personal.
 
  • #392
I've said this before and I'm tossing it out there again. The search stopped at the Nassau County border. The answer to all this could be just off the road in Nassau. Why they didn't search up to the Wantagh Parkway or the Theater boggles me. Scared what they may find? Nassau doesn't want to find anything?
 
  • #393
I've said this before and I'm tossing it out there again. The search stopped at the Nassau County border. The answer to all this could be just off the road in Nassau. Why they didn't search up to the Wantagh Parkway or the Theater boggles me. Scared what they may find? Nassau doesn't want to find anything?

They did search west of Gilgo. NCPD was defintely involved.
 
  • #394
  • #395
Maybe I'm wrong.
 
  • #396
From what I was informed they were there since that skull was found by the boarder but they never went deeper on OP into Nassau.
 
  • #397
Wikipedia article has a good summary of the Nassau County search (Long Island serial killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

On April 6, 2011, Detective Lt. Kevin Smith of the Nassau County Police Department said that his office will "further explore and investigate any criminal activity which may be in close proximity to the recently discovered human remains found in Suffolk." Smith also said that Nassau Police will be coordinating with Suffolk County and New York State Police on the investigation.[14]

On April 11, 2011, the search for more bodies began in Nassau County. Local media reported that an additional set of partial human remains was found, as well as a separate skull, bringing the potential total number of victims found since December to ten.[15] On April 22, 2011, two human teeth were found about a foot from the skull.[16]


Here's the article most of the information is from: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8061689: The serial killer investigation moved to Nassau County on Monday, and searchers discovered the remains of a ninth body and possibly a tenth.
 
  • #398
I don't think it's a serial killer in the conventional sense, either -- not somebody who is killing for the thrill. I think he's basically an enforcer. Gets rid of troublesome girls or maybe business rivals, keep the other girls in line, but it's all business, nothing personal.
That's pretty much my theory as well. Im surprised so many people overlook this possible angle.
 
  • #399
Rossmo appears to use crime scene locations, but all we have are the locations of the remains (and/or the "general" place the victim was last seen)... would the formula still work?

generally when it's used, primarily dump sites are used first--but you also use dump sites/abduction sites in a case like this where the drop site(s) are the same spot
 
  • #400
generally when it's used, primarily dump sites are used first--but you also use dump sites/abduction sites in a case like this where the drop site(s) are the same spot

Is this system proven? I have never heard of this before.
 

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