Possible Victim: Natasha Jugo, 31, Queens, Body Washed Ashore and belongings found on Gilgo Beach Mar 2013 *car fnd Ocean Pkwy*

[WI1987]

I know I have not been here much, but am I the only person that finds it odd that this woman goes missing, and the only photo provided to the media is an old, blurry photo that looks like it was cross processed repeatedly, then put on the TV for all to see...?


My point is, I know that if I go missing, my friends and family wouldn't give a crappy photo like that, and only 1 at that.... They'd give clean, clear, crisp photos, recent and older.... Not one completely outdated, beat up, glared up photo.


JM2Cents.

Maybe she was like me, I don't like my picture being taken ... and most of the pictures of me that are recent were taken when I was eerrr ... umm let's just say when I am in a festive mood. I wouldent expect my parents to give the media a picture of me in an obviously intoxicated state to the media should I go missing. :floorlaugh:

 

[CriminalMinds]

For anyone wondering about the condition of a body recovered from a "suicide drowning", here's some info:

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/water.pdf

(Need to copy & paste this URL into your address bar, thought it was clickable when I copied the address of the pdf for this article.)

excellent source---damn, and I was going to chime in about cold high-saline concentrated water and adipocere :rockon:

 

[giagreen]

Well depending on how cold the water may have been she would not have bloated and floated right away. If the water was cold enough it would of stopped the decomposition and gasses that make a body float. If the water is cold bacterial also takes place very slowly. If the body was to sink due to cold water the current is also less acting the farther down a body sinks so typical that is where a body stays until it bloats and starts to float....A body gets caught up in currents once it is floating.
If a victim goes in the water in winter they usually won't be found until later that spring or early summer.
And if the victim is wearing heavy boots, or clothing they will stay submerged longer if not indefinitely. This also making it so that the clothing of the victim could get caught up in brush, or any other things that may be in the water.

 

[carbuff]

Well depending on how cold the water may have been she would not have bloated and floated right away. If the water was cold enough it would of stopped the decomposition and gasses that make a body float. If the water is cold bacterial also takes place very slowly. If the body was to sink due to cold water the current is also less acting the farther down a body sinks so typical that is where a body stays until it bloats and starts to float....A body gets caught up in currents once it is floating.
If a victim goes in the water in winter they usually won't be found until later that spring or early summer.
And if the victim is wearing heavy boots, or clothing they will stay submerged longer if not indefinitely. This also making it so that the clothing of the victim could get caught up in brush, or any other things that may be in the water.

And the clothing can snag on brush or metal etc. in the water, which could delay it still longer from floating to the surface.

I'm glad she's been found. I don't think anybody killed her. Rest in peace, Natasha.

 

[LINative13]

I dunno. They were doing heavy sandy work in that area. If she was laying on the beach and then got dragged out by say that "supermoon" tide we just had, well it's plausible. But like I said they were doing so much work in that area she would have been found laying on the beach by a worker.

 

[carbuff]

I didn't mean lying on the beach. I meant that at the time she would have waded into the water, the water was cold and her body would likely have sunk deep in the water. If her clothing snagged on underwater rubbish, it could have held her down for months. I live in a part of MA where there are usually several drownings a year, and it's very common for people who drown in winter to not come to the surface for months or even a year later.

 

[giagreen]

Up here on Lake Superior bodies sometimes will never resurface because it's to cold all year around.
But besides the water factor of it all. The way she was dressed was also actually very accurate for someone who wanted to commit suicide. Sometimes when some people try to commit suicide by drowning they will often wear heavier clothes, boots, and sometimes you will find rocks or other things in their pockets to help weigh them down.

 

[Justiceforever]

According to.this article her bathrobe, which would be her heaviest article of clothing, along with some other clothes were found on the beach.

http://www.examiner.com/article/update-gilgo-beach-body-identified-as-natasha-jugo-of-queens?cid=rss

" Footprints were traced from the car to the water’s edge, along with a bathrobe and other clothing similar to what Jugo was wearing when she left home cops said."

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1291996

Natasha Jugo, 31, left her home on 213th St. in Queens Village about 4:30 p.m. Saturday wearing pink pajama bottoms, a gray hoodie, a black robe, a black coat and black boots, cops said


Did she have her coat on over her robe? If so, then she must have also took off her coat.

What then? She went in wearing hoodie, pajama pants and boots?

It would help if we knew what clothes were found and wjat clothes she had on when she was found.

 

[carbuff]

I'm not totally convinced she intended to die -- she might have been in a state of mental or emotional confusion and not realized that going into the cold water was a really bad idea. I had a co-worker years ago who had a bad reaction to her medication after going out drinking, and she decided she wanted to visit a friend in Ireland and took off -- just dove into Boston harbor and started swimming. Fortunately she was with friends and they got her out right away, but she was in bad shape after only a few minutes in the cold water.

 

[LINative13]

Suicide by drowning? As a fisherman my biggest fear.,why not jump off the bridge a few miles away? Suck on na shotgun. Cook p a giant speedball. Anything but drowning.

 

[Just K]

It's just bizarre, she complained of being followed, she goes to Gilgo, within a mile from where the bodies were found, leaves her car (with the wipers in an upward position) leaves her clothes and ID (just like RR did) at the water's edge and walks into the winter cold Ocean.

A witness did say they saw her walking, right? Wonder who said that? Because someone could have easily lured her out to a house there, killed her, then dumped her body later, drove the car to where it was left and put her clothes on the shoreline. A whole day passed from her walking on the sand to when they found footprints. Given the tides wouldn't some of the prints go away with the tides?

 

[giagreen]

Well, to be honest I've heard a few different stories as far as what NJ left behind. I heard it was just her robe and wallet. I don't know anymore what to take as fact there seems to be so much crap journalism regarding anything to do with NJ, GB4, FBI, and everything els.
I guess that as a young women myself if someone was going to lure me anywhere I would not be stepping foot out of my house with pink sweat pants on and a robe. To me that is a...I don't give a crap about anything right now type of look.
Unless if it was my brother or a family member I wouldn't go to meet anyone wearing what she was wearing. And IMO she looked cute in her picture like a girl who cared about make up and how she looked.

 

[Justiceforever]

To me, the hoodie and pajama pants are a common comfortable outfit to be worn in public for a quick trip somewhere (ever been to walmart) but the bathrobe with a coat over it?

Odd!

I know that suicide by drowning is possible (I had a friend who did it) but it would seem almost next to impossible to walk into freezing water and drown yourself!

I just don't see it happening by walking off the beach into the water.

 

[PreciousDust]

I just don't see it happening by walking off the beach into the water.

The idea of drowning yourself in the ocean is that, first, you really have to want to succeed at it, and second, you swim straight out and keep going until you succumb from weariness and the power of the ocean. It's horrifying (but suicide is).

 

[giagreen]

Well I personally can't see how anyone can comment suicide by drowning. I don't think I could if I even tried. But then again I am an extremely strong swimmer and still water scares the hell out of me. I've leaned to respect it.
Even calm water that looks safe can be so deadly.
But needless to say people do it all the time. And she may not have been a strong swimmer or did she even know how to swim at all? I'm always shocked at the amount of people who can't swim. I wonder how cold the water was. I don't think she would of made it very far out.

 

[Justiceforever]

Is there a way to find out what the water temp. was when she went into the water?

 

[giagreen]

I'm not sure. But I did look up the typical tem around that time of year and it said it was 45 degrees. I don't think a body will come to the top till about 50-55

 

[carbuff]

Suicide by drowning isn't very common, but it happens. We usually have a case or two every year in New England where somebody does exactly this, just walks into the ocean and starts swimming. The farther out she swam, the more likely the body would have submerged and not come ashore for months. People who choose drowning apparently feel like it's a relatively low-pain way to die, like going out in a blizzard to freeze to death.

I'm not saying that she wasn't murdered. It's certainly an odd coincidence -- but coincidences do happen, and I don't see anything obvious about her death that says it wasn't suicide, or possibly accidental while in a confused state of mind.

It is odd that she'd choose that particular spot, though. But it's the same issue for me as with Shannon Gilbert -- I can't believe this guy is just lurking in the weeds waiting for some troubled woman to show up in the middle of the night.

 

[PreciousDust]

But it's the same issue for me as with Shannon Gilbert -- I can't believe this guy is just lurking in the weeds waiting for some troubled woman to show up in the middle of the night.

With Gilbert, it's the "they're trying to kill me" quoted from the 911 call. Who are "they"? Can't be just JB, that's a "he", not a "they". Unlikely to be JB and Pak. I always felt there was another party involved.

 

[giagreen]

With NJ it's believable for me that this was something that she has done to her self. Not only do people commit suicides by drowning. But it is also believable that her body would take more time to wash up then someone would expect. Can also see how she had time to take off her robe and what ever els she may have taken off.
Now with SG it seems unreal she would think to take off her clothes in such a panic. Maybe just maybe if she had her clothes on and was tangled up on weeds or something I could buy she drowned but the clothes issue throws me off. And how deep does the water get in the part she was running threw?