Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[21merc7]

I don't understand Nurmi/Wilmott thinking they can get out at this stage. It would take extraordinary circumstances. I do understand asking out all of these years, can't say I blame them.

The negotiation drag would be a cheap shot win. I must agree. It seems the State is sticking with whatever was offered and turned down, or just sticking with DP. There is a conviction, so why should the State back down?

Change of venue. Well, I understand, but I don't think that will happen either. There is a huge population there. Not everyone is consumed by murder cases as we are here, I'm sure that they can find plenty enough jurors at home. JMO

 

[gcharlie]

While the DT has been filing a slew of motions, I wonder what, if anything they have come up with for a strategy in the retrial?

From what we can gather, it is slim pickings in terms of finding witnesses to testify on CMJA's behalf. But before they even get to that part of the trial, they have to focus on how they want the new jury brought up to speed as far as the guilt and aggravation phases are concerned.

Beth Karas said the other night that witnesses can offer different testimony in the retrial if it enhances previous testimony. That is very subjective. Now that both sides have copies of trial transcripts, it becomes important for any witness who re-testifies not to contradict him(her)self.

Will CMJA take the stand? With life or death on the line and this jury making that decision only, it would seem that she has to take the stand. Yet this is fraught with danger for someone who is viewed as a compulsive liar. The person we saw on the witness stand did not project that sweet voice we saw in her interview...can she influence a jury with a sweeter personality and still maintain that under cross by Martinez?

Now that ALV has refused to testify, how does the DT compensate for her loss? Do they rely on transcripts or recordings of her testimony? They scraped the bottom of the barrel to find her and given the exposure this case has had, it seems highly unlikely that they would be able to dredge up a replacement.

What parts of the original trial will the defense scrap? Will they be silent on the pedophilia claim? Thoughts?

I'll be very curious to see how this all unfolds.

 

[geevee]

I wonder if Nurmi thinks another judge will let them off the case? Or is this just stall tactic?

 

[Sweetiemom]

I wonder if Nurmi thinks another judge will let them off the case? Or is this just stall tactic?

I think it's just more stall tactics. At this point I don't think the defense has anything to add to their meager lies from the main part of the trial. Everything they put out there failed miserably. They really didn't have much to work with. JMO.

 

[Nore]

Late, we learned that Kirk Nurmi was refused exit one more time, on July 16. In all seriousness, it must be awful, even wretched, to remain for years bound to someone whom you've tried hard to help, who has foiled those attempts to help, and who has expressed disappointment in you publicly. In fact, on network television. Yet you might as well be wearing chains that couple you.

This must be even more cussworthy because you have a private practice that languishes while you attend to this misery, a practice in its early days when it requires the most care & work. That was no prize package you were handed five years ago but a big yellow Salinas lemon that awaited inside the wrappings.

Still, with all this being true, the delay-defer-refuse strategies of the defense team have only worsened a rotten assignment until you find yourself pushed through a corner. Can't we resolve to meet this fate and surmount it? It is unhealthy to linger in the swill of her case. We can see you are gasping for oxygen.

:clap: :seeya:

 

[Tuba]

The teamsters love to employ colored semantics for effect, referring to "the mistrial" repeatedly in recent motions, as though the trial in chief was a junker. The attempt at changing venue is a show that closed before it opened. We will see a response from prosecution and a ruling denying the motion. gcharlie, you're so right, the potential experts were long ago examined & none could do the necessary, nor could friends, associates, relatives.

 

[Tuba]

Hi, yourself, Nore! I started life in Cleveland and Lakewood. Good to see an Ohioan here.

 

[geevee]

Hi, yourself, Nore! I started life in Cleveland and Lakewood. Good to see an Ohioan here.

LOL I hail originally from Toledo.

 

[geevee]

We found out within the past week that both Nurmi & Willmott asked to slide out of this on July 16, and were denied. Reports yesterday were mixed but one source had them renewing the request on August 26. I think this may well be why Arias is alienated. I feel a need to clear this up & that's why I posted on this Unresolved Thread. I will be researching it on-line.

Thank you, geevee, for the comparison footage that revealed the frost now in place. As soon as Arias stood before the judge yesterday, I noticed her sad sack posture. I wondered if she leaned forward because the chains felt heavy but there was a definite slant there. She looked sick as mud.

I bet Nurmi does not have a staff of 16 but he would have had to order the number of copies in advance. Evidently, the judge found the number justified even if we don't.

Pretty stark in comparison, hmm? I wonder if, since she then likely knew of this change of venue motion she was already experiencing 'betrayal of those she trusted with her life, leaving her when she needs them most' (as she'd likely phrase it for Troy et al).

Some version of regret must also be seeping into her consciousness, I can only wonder what specifically she is regretting, but many unhappy emotions were playing on her face and in her body language during that short hearing.

Good point about how he was able to secure so many copies.

I also see a subpoena listed on the docket with the 8/27 date, wonder who was served?

 

[Frigga]

Anyone have a link to the
hearing? I would love to see for myself what you are all talking about! TIA

 

[21merc7]

Anyone have a link to the
hearing? I would love to see for myself what you are all talking about! TIA

Jodi Arias Penalty Phase Re-Trial: Post-Conviction Status Conference Hearing (Aug 26, 2013) - YouTube

 

[FLmom777]

LOL I hail originally from Toledo.

I was born in Akron, raised in Barberton.

 

[LambChop]

Jodi Arias Penalty Phase Re-Trial: Post-Conviction Status Conference Hearing (Aug 26, 2013) - YouTube

I wonder if the mitigation specialist ever thinks about the fact that this is the exact way JA might have smiled at Travis before she killed him. jmo

 

[geevee]

I can look at her face all day long without much discomfort but it's her hands that are most likely to give me nightmares. I suppose I've been looking at the accidental photos too long, but everytime I isolate something moving in one of those two pics, it most often turns out to be her hands, those greedy, never getting enough, always doing, wanting, touching, grabbing, hurting, killing hands of hers.

Being in her general presence wouldn't bother me at all, being near those hands would make me feel like screaming.

 

[21merc7]

I wonder if the mitigation specialist ever thinks about the fact that this is the exact way JA might have smiled at Travis before she killed him. jmo

You mean the one that dressed like Madonna and didn't really do much to help? Recycle at a jail that already recycles, send greasy hair to locks of love? I have no idea where she came from, but she should not be used by any defense team again.

If you mean ALV, oh boy. She clearly had no In Court experience. She clearly has passion about her job, but she only sees what she is exposed to at her job. Not a balanced intellect that should have been what any defense team should be aiming for.

Anyone notice the irony of CMJA's antiquated black and whites? The print on front and back. LMAO!!!!

In big bold red letters:


"SHERIFF'S INMATE"
"UNSENTENCED"

 

[LambChop]

You mean the one that dressed like Madonna and didn't really do much to help? Recycle at a jail that already recycles, send greasy hair to locks of love? I have no idea where she came from, but she should not be used by any defense team again.

If you mean ALV, oh boy. She clearly had no In Court experience. She clearly has passion about her job, but she only sees what she is exposed to at her job. Not a balanced intellect that should have been what any defense team should be aiming for.

Anyone notice the irony of CMJA's antiquated black and whites? The print on front and back. LMAO!!!!

In big bold red letters:


"SHERIFF'S INMATE"
"UNSENTENCED"

I was referring to the mitigation specialist in the video but ALV, too, you would think should have stopped to consider the person they think is so innocent looking, maybe sounding and compare it with the crime scene photos. Not a normal person or a domestic violence survivor. Not by a long shot. jmo

 

[21merc7]

I was referring to the mitigation specialist in the video but ALV, too, you would think should have stopped to consider the person they think is so innocent looking, maybe sounding and compare it with the crime scene photos. Not a normal person or a domestic violence survivor. Not by a long shot. jmo

BBM

I completely agree.

 

[geevee]

I was referring to the mitigation specialist in the video but ALV, too, you would think should have stopped to consider the person they think is so innocent looking, maybe sounding and compare it with the crime scene photos. Not a normal person or a domestic violence survivor. Not by a long shot. jmo

I can understand the mitigator, it's her chosen profession, ALV on the other hand is a mystery, she was just so willfully blind. Granted she was only given writings/people to interview that supported the defense but her determination to advocate for the defendant with her lopsided views was quite detrimental.

The defense's greatest mistake with her was changing her to testify in the penalty phase instead of the mitigation (where she might be expected to advocate to some degree, for the defendant's life).

But having to have all notes turned over and showing that even she knew JA was lying or there were large contradictions, that was a tactical error on the defense's part no appeals court will help them with. Well, maybe ineffectual counsel but I doubt that, dumb moves don't get you a winning appeal later.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I can understand the mitigator, it's her chosen profession, ALV on the other hand is a mystery, she was just so willfully blind. Granted she was only given writings/people to interview that supported the defense but her determination to advocate for the defendant with her lopsided views was quite detrimental.

The defense's greatest mistake with her was changing her to testify in the penalty phase instead of the mitigation (where she might be expected to advocate to some degree, for the defendant's life).

But having to have all notes turned over and showing that even she knew JA was lying or there were large contradictions, that was a tactical error on the defense's part no appeals court will help them with. Well, maybe ineffectual counsel but I doubt that, dumb moves don't get you a winning appeal later.

I agree this was a great mistake by the defense in having ALV testify during penalty phase. But even during mitigation, her CV would have been discussed ad nauseum still, and JM would have caught her lying, so the biggest mistake the defense made was ever putting her on the stand at all. And still she goes to CNN and can't tell the truth. Sad. :stormingmad:

 

[Tulessa]

Does anyone have the new ALV interview?