Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[LambChop]

We have to keep in mind that there is material the teamsters would not want their client publishing, even though the prosecutor were indifferent to it. The interests of the defense and of the prosecution are not the same. On the other hand, some matter that C.M. is involved in may be of concern to both sides. We also have to realize that the sheriff's dept. wants C.M. to comply with the rules but their monitoring is not legally sophisticated. They can't be expected to judge what is helpful or injurious to either side in terms of case implications.

So Tuba, do you think there will be a motion to exclude all of her conversations and tweets from the next phase of her trial?

 

[Tuba]

No, there is a lack of grounds for that motion but once in trial, they could object that the matter was more prejudicial than probative. From what we have witnessed, there are worse problems to deal with long before we reach such a pass.

 

[MeeBee]

I wonder if there will ever be any issues with her money brought up. We know the charity she claimed to donate to is not affiliated in any way with her. So now it's just a broad, "this money is going to women's shelters," thing, but I doubt that it is. She has been telling her "fans" not to send money anymore and blah blah but that's not the Jodi we know. So I wonder if she can ever be caught for fraud. I'm sure it makes no difference to her now, what does she have to lose. But hopefully whatever money she makes can be given to the Alexanders if they win their wrongful death lawsuit, which they will.

I also wonder if those helping her, if they are, can be brought up as well?

 

[21merc7]

I wonder if there will ever be any issues with her money brought up. We know the charity she claimed to donate to is not affiliated in any way with her. So now it's just a broad, "this money is going to women's shelters," thing, but I doubt that it is. She has been telling her "fans" not to send money anymore and blah blah but that's not the Jodi we know. So I wonder if she can ever be caught for fraud. I'm sure it makes no difference to her now, what does she have to lose. But hopefully whatever money she makes can be given to the Alexanders if they win their wrongful death lawsuit, which they will.

She does not have any money. She was begging money.

If there is a fake fund, someone should bring it to the attention of IRS.

 

[MeeBee]

She does not have any money. She was begging money.

If there is a fake fund, someone should bring it to the attention of IRS.

What does that mean? The money from the shirts and the artwork has to go somewhere? Does her commissary count as her money?

I realize that someone else is doing this for her and maybe they are pocketing the money instead. Clearly Jodi is really only doing it to get under people's skin.

I do have a feeling there is a fake fund. But I am not gonna bring it to the attention of the IRS. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[21merc7]

What does that mean? The money from the shirts and the artwork has to go somewhere? Does her commissary count as her money?

I realize that someone else is doing this for her and maybe they are pocketing the money instead. Clearly Jodi is really only doing it to get under people's skin.

I do have a feeling there is a fake fund. But I am not gonna bring it to the attention of the IRS. Let the chips fall where they may.

It simply means report it, the least that will happen is someone checks it out.

The world, including IRS, BBB, funds that are not recorded via that tax free exemption (they hate it if it is unfounded), or any other place, know nothing of it all. They have much, much, more on their plate. Unless someone questions, it is not noticed.

 

[MeeBee]

It simply means report it, the least that will happen is someone checks it out.

The world, including IRS, or any other place, know nothing of it all. They have much, much, more on their plate. Unless someone questions, it is not noticed.

Yes I know this.

 

[21merc7]

Yes I know this.

I do not know the source where the $$ goes. That is up to someone interested enough.

 

[MeeBee]

Well, I realize not many people are too interested or care where Jodi's small peanuts goes. But if anyone ever does ping onto her, I just wonder what can be done.

And like I said, I don't think she's even doing it for the money, she's doing it for the attention and to bother people. She lives for that.

ALSO, she does have a commissary that is at times thousands of dollars big. That is her money and should go to the family.

 

[21merc7]

Well, I realize not many people are too interested or care where Jodi's small peanuts goes. But if anyone ever does ping onto her, I just wonder what can be done.

And like I said, I don't think she's even doing it for the money, she's doing it for the attention and to bother people. She lives for that.

Sorry MeeBee, I did not intend the answer to be rude or abrupt.

I do not know how to look into it though. Someone here may know and provide the necessary steps.

I really did not mean to be rude, doing too many things at once.

 

[MeeBee]

Sorry MeeBee, I did not intend the answer to be rude or abrupt.

I do not know how to look into it though. Someone here may know and provide the necessary steps.

I really did not mean to be rude, doing too many things at once.

No I know!

Don't worry. I hope I don't sound rude or offended either. The thought just came to me while I was trying to figure out the subpoena. It's probably stupid though lol.

 

[21merc7]

No I know!

Don't worry. I hope I don't sound rude or offended either. The thought just came to me while I was trying to figure out the subpoena. It's probably stupid though lol.

Okay, cool.

It is not stupid! Non profit or for profit still have to have some figures for the IRS. I do not know how to go about getting them, and researching them. Several here over the years do know. It is important. I doubt many contributed, but, I am reminded there is CMJA is innocent board, sigh. So who knows? Every little step is important!

 

[gcharlie]

I wonder if there will ever be any issues with her money brought up. We know the charity she claimed to donate to is not affiliated in any way with her. So now it's just a broad, "this money is going to women's shelters," thing, but I doubt that it is. She has been telling her "fans" not to send money anymore and blah blah but that's not the Jodi we know. So I wonder if she can ever be caught for fraud. I'm sure it makes no difference to her now, what does she have to lose. But hopefully whatever money she makes can be given to the Alexanders if they win their wrongful death lawsuit, which they will.

I also wonder if those helping her, if they are, can be brought up as well?

I've been thinking about that a lot as well, especially since I read that people sent George Zimmerman more than $80,000.

I don't know how long the JAII site or the PayPal account have been set up, but with PayPal, rest assured that the IRS will be on top of it. I looked at their terms a few months ago and with type of account set up for her benefit, receipts crossing a certain threshold of $ are reported to the IRS. The IRS will then look for a tax return with that same SS #, so the taxman will come calling eventually.

I seriously doubt that this account has been set up under her name or social security number...her credit was destroyed by the time she was in jail, so somebody else will probably be holding the bag on this one. Her parents, maybe? As with so many things that we have learned about CMJA, she won't be the one directly suffering the consequences, someone else will.

It probably was these funds that enabled her family to attend the trial and make up for her mother's lost income.

 

[Tuba]

Well, Jennifer Willmott has my attention. And I think C.M.'s number is up, C.M. as Tweep, that is. Justice for Travis says the C.M. tweets from July 23 - August 22 were deleted. Would she have done that by choice? I don't think that for a moment. And we also know those tweets were not obliterated because some prescient YouTuber put them up on-line. C.M. has this inner urge to abuse every right and privilege. (We certainly saw that with Travis and with her relatives.) She may soon find her fingers slammed in any attempt at outreach. Then she would be limited to her inmates & jailers & the four walls of her cell. The M.C.S.O. did not want her going round the rules to get her words out but claimed inability to stop her. Maybe this expose/ by Willmott will enable some prevention.

 

[gcharlie]

Okay, cool.

It is not stupid! Non profit or for profit still have to have some figures for the IRS. I do not know how to go about getting them, and researching them. Several here over the years do know. It is important. I doubt many contributed, but, I am reminded there is CMJA is innocent board, sigh. So who knows? Every little step is important!

I posted a few minutes ago before reading this.

I do feel qualified to answer as I am a CPA with more than 15 years experience as finance director at various non profit organizations.

The IRS has strict guidelines for qualification as a charity or non-profit and an application must be submitted to the IRS for approval using this status (501(c)3). There is no way, under any stretch of the imagination, that any activity associated with funds for CMJA would qualify for 501(c)3 status. Thus the account associated with collecting money for her artwork, Tshirts and donations must be under the name of an individual or maybe even a business; what is important is that there is a bank account and a PayPal account that has a tax ID associated with it to collect these funds.

The IRS has become much more sophisticated in being able to track unreported income due to the use of computers and requiring financial institutions and businesses to report certain transactions. Banks have to report all wire transfers $10,000 and over; this was initially done as part of the war on drugs, but the information is now used by the IRS as well. PayPal automatically reports annual cash receipts for vendor accounts (they type of account that would be used on behalf of CMJA) over $20,000, IIRC.

The IRS then uses its computers to total up all the income reported to a particular tax ID number and match it against the tax return on file for that same ID number. If there is no return or the income is too low, the computer system automatically generates an IRS notice which is sent to the taxpayer. Typically these notices are generated in the first three months of the new year after the return was filed. Congress has been working to get laws passed to have the IRS perform this computer number matching in real time, to cut down on the delay between filing and sending notices.

As far as her account at the MCSO is concerned, I am not quite sure if they have any reporting requirements, but I would suspect that they do. The situation may not come up very often, but being a government agency, they sure do not want to see people evading taxes.

OK, OK, ...this is probably more than you wanted to know. Sorry

 

[Kensie]

Well, Jennifer Willmott has my attention. And I think C.M.'s number is up, C.M. as Tweep, that is. Justice for Travis says the C.M. tweets from July 23 - August 22 were deleted. Would she have done that by choice? I don't think that for a moment. And we also know those tweets were not obliterated because some prescient YouTuber put them up on-line. C.M. has this inner urge to abuse every right and privilege. (We certainly saw that with Travis and with her relatives.) She may soon find her fingers slammed in any attempt at outreach. Then she would be limited to her inmates & jailers & the four walls of her cell. The M.C.S.O. did not want her going round the rules to get her words out but claimed inability to stop her. Maybe this expose/ by Willmott will enable some prevention.

As always, a great post Tuba.

 

[LambChop]

I do feel bad for Jennifer Willmott and, gasp, Nurmi, too. I know JW's concern was for JA's life and she may have felt she needed to personalize JA to the jury. I'm sure JW felt that surely JA would not "bite the hand that fed her." JA....the consciousness of a rabid dog. jmo

 

[MeeBee]

What also got me thinking was a few tweets I read today from a bit back where Jodi told people to stop sending money for her appeals because she didn't know what she was going to do yet and then told them don't send money to people asking for money for appeals because it's a scam. We know Jodi isn't someone who is too concerned with honesty and the law. So I had a couple thoughts.

RE: the scam one: maybe it really is a scam and she is just telling people because she'd rather people send the money be sent to somewhere that she can get to it or her family can.

Or she is trying to distance herself from the efforts because she wants to keep the money, either for herself or her family and wants to play innocent when the money for appeals doesn't turn up and Jodi just goes with a court appointed attorney. "But I told them not to send money, they must have sent it to the wrong people!" That sort of thing. The money certainly has to turn up somewhere. And I did see a petition where supporters were donating money to this effort. So there is money somewhere.

My main thing with the commissary is if that money will be subject to being taken and given to the family if they win a wrongful death suit against her. Would they do that so the family can get paid? That would probably not work for long since people would just stop putting money in. But it's just something I thought about.

I think what really bothers me is not just Jodi, but the idiots who continue to support her and send her money and buy her tracings and her stupid t shirts. I just want to knock some sense into them. It just feeds Jodi's narcissism. I know, she lost the war. But I just really wish she would the full extent of her crime and punishment. Right now, she can just bask in the light of her new-found fame and admirers. It makes me itchy.

 

[MeeBee]

I do feel bad for Jennifer Willmott and, gasp, Nurmi, too. I know JW's concern was for JA's life and she may have felt she needed to personalize JA to the jury. I'm sure JW felt that surely JA would not "bite the hand that fed her." JA....the consciousness of a rabid dog. jmo

I feel more sorry for Willmott than Nurmi, myself. I find him a <jerk?> who helped and coached Jodi to lie on the stand. I know it was mainly her baby, but I just feel that he had a hand in it, too.

I think Willmott is just there to do her job. Defend Jodi and save her from being put to death in the best way she can. I think if she is privy to the dishonesty she is not altogether happy about it. But maybe she isn't as upset as most attorneys would be. I don't like her though. Her style grates and she seems kind of snotty. But that's just a personal thing for me. And I think she just really doesn't like Juan and it showed. She made it personal and she should have just kept it professional.

I was reading back through the legal q and a thread the other day and AZLawyer says the attorney that that quit the case, Victoria Washington, is known for being a very ethical defense attorney. It made me wonder if the real reason she quit is she could not ethically defend Jodi and didn't feel right about it. This was around the time the pedophile allegations and the letters surfaced. And we know what happened with those.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I feel more sorry for Willmott than Nurmi, myself. I find him <modsnip> who helped and coached Jodi to lie on the stand. I know it was mainly her baby, but I just feel that he had a hand in it, too.

I think Willmott is just there to do her job. Defend Jodi and save her from being put to death in the best way she can. I think if she is privy to the dishonesty she is not altogether happy about it. But maybe she isn't as upset as most attorneys would be. I don't like her though. Her style grates and she seems kind of snotty. But that's just a personal thing for me. And I think she just really doesn't like Juan and it showed.

I was reading back through the legal q and a thread the other day and AZLawyer says the attorney that the attorney that quit the case, Victoria Washington, is known for being a very ethical defense attorney. It made me wonder if the real reason she quit is she could not ethically defend Jodi and didn't feel right about it. This was around the time the pedophile allegations and the letters surfaced. And we know what happened with those.

I actually felt bad for Wilmott the day that Juan revealed the back account and extra receipt. She looked caught in the headlights.

I think defending this whachadoodle is tough on a normal day but adding all the lying and the hiding and all the other stuff they have to deal with, like her tweeting, Must be excruciating for her.

But I agree she came off snarky at times and objected way too much over nonsense.