Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[geevee]

I know, cause you had like 10 songs up there. David Bowie, Elvis, all that. I was laughing so hard. I was thinking, this lady is having herself a ball right about now. There's nothing like getting into the groove of some good music. You can go back and play. I just wanted your thoughts on the text timeline I'm making.

Remember how mad Travis was at Sky and Chris? Which I think he had a right be--but remember how quickly they said he was over it? But--if you notice--he doesn't forget, either. Like when on 5/26, he said it was just as bad or worse than the fictitious man she said was emailing her. THAT's a reference to a year earlier when she claimed she had a stalker in Yreka.

Well, have fun with your music. I'll be in and out of here after I shower and while I relistening to testimony for all these details I missed the first two times.....this is actually the first time I started taking notes.

I think I'm done rockign for the night, can't keep going as long as I used to be able to, when I was young, and..well, young. lol

Yeah, he did remember, even if he forgave or got over the mad. And I didn't start taking notes till the second time around either, and lost half of them (or misplaced, shoot, I had quite a few details and when something comes up, I know I wrote it but can't find it. Like the time for the 2.77 gas purchase, I was sure I had that somewhere but it's lost to me now and I can't remember where I got the info. lol

I'll be back here later on too, enjoyt he shower and don't let the vids make you crazy.

 

[wasnt_me]

That's a good question, do you know if JA knew anything about PPL before the convention where she met Travis in late '06? Maybe through the missionaries? I figured that's how she found out about PPL but never saw that confirmed.

I have no idea when she actually met Gus, I suppose it's possible they met at the same convention but I never really thought about it. His testimony was all over the place, and all that stuff with who was in the car with him and he wanted to take the 5th and not say or write it, and then saying she called him the night Travis was killed instead of the night he was found, it's hard to believe anything he says.

Yeah. I believe like you do. The mormons who'd come to the door or that friend that took her to the 2006 conference got her into PPL and were already prepping her for LDS. I don't think Gus met her there. He said he'd come to AZ for a conference where he was a breakout speaker and met her there, and it was his understanding that Travis was her boyfriend.

He couldn't have had that understanding before Feb of 2007, and it makes no sense for him to have that understanding after fall 2007 unless she was running around telling folks that Travis was still her boyfriend.

About the LDS thing. I believe she was already being prepped before meeting Travis because remember Bobby was a vampire or something? Remember the comments she was making about his faith and how she learned about it or something but she didn't convert to it. She kept her own faith. Because of that, I believe that Jodi wouldn't convert merely for a man.

Unless of course, she was lying. I keep forgetting the corroboration rule when it comes to stuff she says. But I believe Darryl. Darryl makes it sound like it was happening before this September 2006 convention.

Oh, and while I am on the topic of Darryl. While on cross, it seemed to be alluded to in his testimony that Jodi had called him about 10am June 2nd. That's where the remote story comes into play. She claims to have called him about the remote, and I suppose returned it.

I still think she asked him for money and possibly went to the bank with him. Do you see the time between her bank transactions?
10:10--$400
10:11--$300
10:15--$100 more in the $300 account. (which had been negative before 10:11am)

4 minutes between the first two and the last one. Maybe Darryl was withdrawing $100 for her for that last one. I don't know.

 

[wasnt_me]

I think I'm done rockign for the night, can't keep going as long as I used to be able to, when I was young, and..well, young. lol

Yeah, he did remember, even if he forgave or got over the mad. And I didn't start taking notes till the second time around either, and lost half of them (or misplaced, shoot, I had quite a few details and when something comes up, I know I wrote it but can't find it. Like the time for the 2.77 gas purchase, I was sure I had that somewhere but it's lost to me now and I can't remember where I got the info. lol

I'll be back here later on too, enjoyt he shower and don't let the vids make you crazy.

I'm putting my notes in google docs. Yeah, shower time but my WS light will probably stay on.

 

[mary-louise]

I think Flores is asking her why she want to Mesa. She is definitely giving it away in her reply. By July, she should have had ALV's "Better lie" thing going...

Geeves, I believe, has brought up how she doesn't believe the May 10th conversation happened when it did. I might be starting to question it myself, but if it did--She tells Travis that she's going to Utah on that call. And he asks her, "What are you going there for?" in a normal tone, and he seems to could care less. She recounts that to Flores as if Travis was all anxiously asking that question.

While I'm on the topic, Geeves, I'm working on the text messages.

So the texts on 5/11 say 9:00, but they keep talking about going to bed. So count back 7 hours, and it's really 2am.

The Steve texts say 5/10 at 2:41. I'm assuming that's am, so it was really 5/9 about 7:41pm.

So, if I'm right:

4/29--Travis says on Myspace that he wants to take pics of her in the woods.
5/2--the incredibly long sex text he sent her
5/9--steve text issue.
5/10--sex call
5/11--Travis looking at her pictures & texting her about them.

I agree, I'm just saying she didn't think her fake story through enough. If it was a 'last minute' change of plans like she said then the previous week shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you read the whole thing it just screams premeditation to me, like whatever happened the week before definitely set her in motion & that's when she decided but then she stops telling the truth & starts the invader crap. It's pretty crazy to read it all again after seeing the trial & the self-defense stuff she came up with after. She gave zero indication of any of that in the interrogations (which is what I was initially looking for) but she sure does tell on herself for planning by saying the previous week had to do with her ultimately going.

 

[geevee]

Yeah. I believe like you do. The mormons who'd come to the door or that friend that took her to the 2006 conference got her into PPL and were already prepping her for LDS. I don't think Gus met her there. He said he'd come to AZ for a conference where he was a breakout speaker and met her there, and it was his understanding that Travis was her boyfriend.

He couldn't have had that understanding before Feb of 2007, and it makes no sense for him to have that understanding after fall 2007 unless she was running around telling folks that Travis was still her boyfriend.

About the LDS thing. I believe she was already being prepped before meeting Travis because remember Bobby was a vampire or something? Remember the comments she was making about his faith and how she learned about it or something but she didn't convert to it. She kept her own faith. Because of that, I believe that Jodi wouldn't convert merely for a man.

Unless of course, she was lying. I keep forgetting the corroboration rule when it comes to stuff she says. But I believe Darryl. Darryl makes it sound like it was happening before this September 2006 convention.

Oh, and while I am on the topic of Darryl. While on cross, it seemed to be alluded to in his testimony that Jodi had called him about 10am June 2nd. That's where the remote story comes into play. She claims to have called him about the remote, and I suppose returned it.

I still think she asked him for money and possibly went to the bank with him. Do you see the time between her bank transactions?
10:10--$400
10:11--$300
10:15--$100 more in the $300 account. (which had been negative before 10:11am)

4 minutes between the first two and the last one. Maybe Darryl was withdrawing $100 for her for that last one. I don't know.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went to the bank with her and gave her even more money because that account had been withdrawn, it makes perfect sense.

Was Bobby a vampire hunter or some such? I recall hearing about that but didn't remember any testimony specifically of that.

In my notes I have him saying she became involved with PPL in early '06 (March or April) and didn't know how she heard of PPL, but the Mormons didn't start coming for prayer meetings until the Fall, before the convention. I think that's from his testimony but it may be from an interview he did, I didn't write that part down. lol

Yeah, Gus shouldn't have thought Travis was still her boyfriend in late '07 but maybe she didn't talk to T about that and only her, she was still clinging hard to T after they broke up - which I'd still like to have some detail on, who broke up with whom, and why?

 

[geevee]

I agree, I'm just saying she didn't think her fake story through enough. If it was a 'last minute' change of plans like she said then the previous week shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you read the whole thing it just screams premeditation to me, like whatever happened the week before definitely set her in motion & that's when she decided but then she stops telling the truth & starts the invader crap. It's pretty crazy to read it all again after seeing the trial & the self-defense stuff she came up with after. She gave zero indication of any of that in the interrogations (which is what I was initially looking for) but she sure does tell on herself for planning by saying the previous week had to do with her ultimately going.

I caught that part of the interrogation too, I was wishing so bad that Flores would have been quiet and let her talk, a couple times she seemed ready to bust out with the story and he interrupted her and she reverted back to her lies or dodging his questions. I love me some Flores and his details but oh how I wish he'd let her talk a few of those times.

 

[sahm]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she hear about PPL in the spring/summer, met Travis in Vegas in the summer, then started looking into and taking the discussions from the missionaries late summer? She was baptized in November of 06` right? Also, I think she did convert strictly for Travis. Her history has her changing religions often, or at least pursuing beliefs based on love interests. I'm sure she was an easy convert. I say that as an active member of the LDS church. She knew what she needed to say and how she needed to act. She is a watcher. A camilion. My opinion

 

[geevee]

Do you remember where you learned she and Travis met in Vegas in the summer, sahm? I haven't heard that before, I thought they met at the convention in the Fall but that may have come from her, and we all know how good her word is. lol

 

[sahm]

So it look like they met in September of 2006, and she converted in November of 2006. I have no idea how to link and article. Lol. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just have a hard time believing that the missionaries brought up PPL. If I remember correctly it was someone from one of her jobs that mentioned it, and then gave her info on it, but she didn't look into it until a couple months later. I'll see if I can find the link, and try to attach it.

 

[wasnt_me]

I agree, I'm just saying she didn't think her fake story through enough. If it was a 'last minute' change of plans like she said then the previous week shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you read the whole thing it just screams premeditation to me, like whatever happened the week before definitely set her in motion & that's when she decided but then she stops telling the truth & starts the invader crap. It's pretty crazy to read it all again after seeing the trial & the self-defense stuff she came up with after. She gave zero indication of any of that in the interrogations (which is what I was initially looking for) but she sure does tell on herself for planning by saying the previous week had to do with her ultimately going.

I agree with that.

She told Flores in the phone calls after Travis was found that Travis was supposed to come see her the previous week but had to cancel. On this call, Jodi tells EF that TA was supposed to visit her at the end of May but it didn’t happen. then it was supposed to be "last week, and it didn’t work out.” (last week being the week she killed him.)

She said they'd been back and forth in plans about it. (As Cancun neared, she probably figured out that Mimi's name was on the ticket.)

Remember all the travel talk on the 5/10 call. Travis had planned to go to see her after the Cancun trip. then he was going to Washington. Something about Palm Springs and Argentina.

She'd told him that she was going to UT to visit friends. In fact, there's a text from RB asking her to come and stay on 5/2/08.

All these plans were probably in motion till she figured out about Mimi.

I agree the way she acted at that moment of the interview was very telling. There are several times in the interrogations and on the phone calls where I wished Flores would have shut up and let her go on and on. It's like he'd step into her lulls and at some points, he'd lead her.

 

[wasnt_me]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went to the bank with her and gave her even more money because that account had been withdrawn, it makes perfect sense.

Was Bobby a vampire hunter or some such? I recall hearing about that but didn't remember any testimony specifically of that.

In my notes I have him saying she became involved with PPL in early '06 (March or April) and didn't know how she heard of PPL, but the Mormons didn't start coming for prayer meetings until the Fall, before the convention. I think that's from his testimony but it may be from an interview he did, I didn't write that part down. lol

Yeah, Gus shouldn't have thought Travis was still her boyfriend in late '07 but maybe she didn't talk to T about that and only her, she was still clinging hard to T after they broke up - which I'd still like to have some detail on, who broke up with whom, and why?

Jodi was talking about bobby and that vampire stuff on the stand. You might have fallen asleep on her.

Yeah, I saw something about her getting a CD from her manager at California kitchen about PPL. She'd almost thrown it away but then decided to join in March 2006.

The problem is, JM was dating the mormon visits back to Spring of 2006 on Cross with Darryl. Darryl eventually settled on July or August or "end of summer" as the answer. Travis and Jodi must have met at September 16th convention in Vegas. So if he'd sent them, that would have pushed Mormon visits to October.

We ready know that Darryl said she stopped trying to have sex with him before their breakup, and she admitted hat she broke up with him four days after convention. So the mormons had to be visiting before she met Travis.

PPL and Mormons might not have happened together. I can retract that.

 

[geevee]

Sahm, if you're on a regular computer, just click the address in the bar up top then hold down the Ctrl key and press C, then on the posting window just click where you want the link and hold the Ctrl key and press the V to paste it. If you're on a phone or other device I have no idea how to copy and paste, sorry.

 

[wasnt_me]

So it look like they met in September of 2006, and she converted in November of 2006. I have no idea how to link and article. Lol. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just have a hard time believing that the missionaries brought up PPL. If I remember correctly it was someone from one of her jobs that mentioned it, and then gave her info on it, but she didn't look into it until a couple months later. I'll see if I can find the link, and try to attach it.

No, that was all me speculating. I was speculating that the person who'd brought her to the PPL conference in October was also mormon and I was speculating that it had all happened around the same time. I figured out it hadn't, and I don't know if that person who was her PPL rep was mormon or not.

I don't know why Darryl is back and forth on the matter except to try to help Jodi out by acting like he doesn't know when Mormons began to visit. The later it was that he could say, the more it looks like Travis influenced it. I strongly believe a man can't influence her into anything. If she did it, it was because she thought it would help her get him, not because he influenced her. I'm listening to it now, and JM gets Darryl to place it in July 2006.

I don't recall her having shifts in religion. I just recall her saying on the stand that she wasn't trying to go vampire. It conflicted with her beliefs and mormonism did not.

 

[geevee]

What's a bit odd to me is she started talking to Ryan and planning on hooking up with him before she killed Travis, and when she was talking to Flores about Ryan and him being stand-offish because of all the talk about her, she told Flores it was probably for the better because Ryan wasn't active in the church. I don't think she intended on staying with her new religion without Travis so why would Ryan not being active be of concern to her?

 

[wasnt_me]

Because she was trying to replace Travis. She just couldn't let Travis go.

OR She claims Travis had complained that her other men weren't Mormon, so if she got one that was, then maybe that would be a real threat to Travis to be serious about her or lose her.

When I think of every move JA makes, I always think of how it goes back to influencing Travis to be serious about her.

ETA: According to testimony, RB was trying to convince her to come see him. Remember his begging text messages and he sharply asked Nurmi, "What is your question, sir?!" When Nurmi was trying to bring out the idea that Jodi wasn't all that into him.

 

[geevee]

LOL yeah, I remember that.

Could be, she was certainly obsessed with Travis but it just seemed to me that in her mind he was already gone (as in deceased) before she ever left Yreka, and likely sometime for that, maybe after the worst thing text, but he'd said unkind things to her before after she pushed him far enough, I wonder if she had decided her plan even before that text.

I'm going to have to get on my way to bed now, hopefully tomorrow I'll find soem of the things we're lacking in our timeline and rest of it. Nite!

 

[sahm]

Because she was trying to replace Travis. She just couldn't let Travis go.

OR She claims Travis had complained that her other men weren't Mormon, so if she got one that was, then maybe that would be a real threat to Travis to be serious about her or lose her.

When I think of every move JA makes, I always think of how it goes back to influencing Travis to be serious about her.

ETA: According to testimony, RB was trying to convince her to come see him. Remember his begging text messages and he sharply asked Nurmi, "What is your question, sir?!" When Nurmi was trying to bring out the idea that Jodi wasn't all that into him.

I completely agree with this. She was all about keeping him. Or making him jealous. Maybe she wanted him to feel guilty. If she started dating someone who wasn't active he might feel bad, especially since he baptized her. I don't know if that makes sense. I'm tired. Lol.

 

[wasnt_me]

So For Gus:

I looked up the conventions:

September 16, 2006--MGM Vegas (met Travis)
March 22-25, 2007 Cox Convention Center, Oklahoma City
September 2007 back in Vegas
(Here I think is where in December, Gus did a meeting in AZ and met her.)
March 13, 2008 OKC.(probably met Ryan burns. Saw Gus here also.)
April--she saw Gus when she left Mesa and spent the night at his motor home.
May--Met him in Pasadena for the phone.

Worth noting: There are photos of Jodi and Travis together visiting sites in OKC. I don't know if they are 2007 or 2008 photos, though.

 

[SwampMama]

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/272314/slide_272314_1933691_free.jpg?1360017216000

Look at this picture. Look behind JA. You see someone's shoulder right there? What the heck is going on with this picture?

Could that possibly be Travis' knee? That would be the only thing i could think of? (unless of course Jodi is simply a lying photoshop revisionist who stages stuff yet forgets to omit important evidence... naww, she wouldn't do that, now would she?)

 

[wasnt_me]

LOL yeah, I remember that.

Could be, she was certainly obsessed with Travis but it just seemed to me that in her mind he was already gone (as in deceased) before she ever left Yreka, and likely sometime for that, maybe after the worst thing text, but he'd said unkind things to her before after she pushed him far enough, I wonder if she had decided her plan even before that text.

I'm going to have to get on my way to bed now, hopefully tomorrow I'll find soem of the things we're lacking in our timeline and rest of it. Nite!

I feel Jodi was "threatening" to move as early as March to make Travis pay her more attention.

March must also be when she met Ryan, but he wasn't on her radar until he called her three weeks after the conference. She must have moved to Yreka by then. I don't recall him testifying to anything about her move.

We know she quickly jumps from man to man. She was texting both men at the same time around beginning of May 2008, and remember, she's a one-man woman, according to her, and her history seems to indicate that going off to the next man had been easy--until Travis. (hey, but none of us can let Travis go, either, so imagine....)

She'd dropped Darryl like a bad habit after meeting Travis, but she could not drop Travis that same way. Matt had the magic that made her transfer from Bobby to him. Ryan didn't have the magic, so she couldn't transfer from Travis to him. But she was trying to force herself, and then her murder plan became evident and Ryan became an alibi instead.

Just remember the long email she wrote to Abe about her feelings for Travis, who wasn't her boyfriend at the time. Her loyalty to Travis was an obsession, which could be why she had to kill him to move on with her life.

I don't picture her as seeing Travis as dead before she actually killed him. As contradictory as it seems, I do think she was hoping for intervention, and if Travis had said the right things to her on June 4th, he'd be alive longer.

I could be wrong, but her "law of attraction" stuff isn't all BS. She actually wrote like that in her journal. Her vindictiveness was something she was probably trying to fight with the law of attraction.

I can't imagine the amount of conflict inside her when her angry, evil side hatched this plan.