Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[LambChop]

Be careful when you post images not to blow the margins. Thanks

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM ~ Or the bullet casing got tossed around during the attack, since there was so much blood which, imo would cause tile floors to become slippery.

Which is the other thing among many that bother me. Since the attack was so brutal, I am surprised Jodi came out unscathed. And, there were no knife blade ends left anywhere.

The shell casing certainly didn't roll through the blood, as it is clean on top where it rested on the blood. it was either ejected and fell onto the pooled blood, or it was carefully placed there -- which didn't happen.

Cheap steel doesn't break easily. It bends before it breaks.

I would not be terribly surprised to find a bent blade somewhere.

But, as with the gun, only The Butcheress of Mesa knows where she hid them.

 

[Truth Detector]

Be careful when you post images not to blow the margins. Thanks

Since www.Websleuth.com's horizontal dimension is not self-limiting or otherwise controlled by the site, what is the preferred maximum value (pixel size), please?

 

[Truth Detector]

No, not unless her grandfather is a liar as well.

He told the Yreka PD officer investigating the burglary that the magazine was fully loaded with jacketed hollow point rounds.

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She didn't need the wrong-sized ammo.

She stole a weapon loaded with the exact ammo made for it.

Not to mention that since the shell casing was found atop the blood, we know that she had already viciously wielded that knife with lasting and lethal effectiveness prior to pulling the trigger and putting a bullet into his brain.

 

[mary-louise]

The date/timestamps on the photos which chronicled the before and after conditions of the murder scene, the murderess, and her victim clearly proved when the murder occurred, where, and whom was present. Neither side challenged their accuracy or veracity. The hand print of the murderess in the victim's blood on the wall at the scene was incontrovertible.

Moreover, the defense never disputed that the defendant was there at the time of the killing. In fact, the defendant herself testified that she was there and killed the victim herself before heading north to 'adjust' and 'grind' Ryan Burns in Salt Lake City.

The two sides didn't materially disagree with respect to the general route she drove in the rental car from the time she left Redding until the time she returned, debate over un-returned WalMart gasoline containers and the Starbucks license plate skater pranksters notwithstanding.

The circumstantial and forensic evidence was overwhelming. Witnesses testified as to her whereabouts. When and where an inactivated cell phone couldn't place her, date/timestamps from 'deleted' digital images did.

Thus, the defense chose to acknowledge and attempt to rationalize this mountain of 'inconvenient' evidence as somehow supporting her choice to falsely accuse a former friend of pedophilia, stab him dozens of times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head, shortly before he was due to leave for Cancun with -- in her mind -- a competing love interest destined to be her victim's future wife.

Assuming that's what you meant by "if they ever proved she did it on the way down", that is. :smile:

I just meant the hair dye. I know how much she lies & I enjoyed watching her get caught in her lies since she thought she was so much smarter than everyone. In the grand scheme of things I know the hair dye doesn't matter much, it's more of catching her in even more lies that I was wondering about. But thanks for all the other info...love your posts!

 

[wasnt_me]

I must have missed that testimony and I could have. There were days I just could not watch her on the stand. For some reason I thought she was still living in the home up until the time she decided to move to Mesa.

I have to say, too, is it possible we only have JA's word that they were dating exclusively. Was there anything ever from TA's side that claimed they were a couple? It seems to me in her relationships she is the determining factor as to whether or not they are an exclusive item. And if the male partner is not on the same page as she is his freedom to date anyone he chooses is considered by JA as "cheating". jmo

You're right. I agree that "official" for Jodi wasn't necessarily official for the guy. ALV said something on the stand which indicated that when she described Jodi and Travis, but now I can't remember her exact words. However, ALV had relayed the commitment in vague terms. I wish I could remember exactly what she said. Oh, and you can tell Jodi lives in an alternate world by the statement she made about her car getting repoed. She said "Oh, I gave it back to the bank."

And I took me listening to the testimony at least a half dozen times to hear that about her being in Big Sur in the summer of 2007. I'm trying to remember when Darryl said they lost the house because she had to be living somewhere after she "gave" the house back to the bank.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, that is true the Hughes did first think that JA was marriage material but that changed pretty quickly when SH found out JA had lied to her. JA is a manipulator and apparently until you catch her in a lie most people were inclined to believe her. At the time Sky tried to convince TA JA was right for him because he was dating others, too. JA managed to stay overnight in many homes where she was not necessarily expected. Such as being told to leave Sky's home and JA refusing. Sleeping under the Christmas tree when she was politely told she had to leave because there was no place for her to sleep.

So that is what I'm thinking. Was there really ever a time they were "going together" since she wasn't even living in the same state as TA during their "exclusiveness". I don't believe she received candy on Valentine's Day from Travis in the form of mini candy bars you can buy at Walmart that were left sitting on her front steps. That never seemed to be Travis' style. I also do not believe he sent her the shirt or the underwear. When someone does something like that to mark an important occasion don't we all keep the handwritten note that he would have written? He excelled at writing. He was a busy man involved in his business at the time and I don't see him sitting down ironing letters onto a shirt and panties. I see him going somewhere to buy something, like Victoria Secrets. He could have done it but I find it more believable that Jodi did it. And I believe they were done to prove to other's that they were, in fact, dating exclusively and that he was cheating on her. jmo

Yeah, he wrote a beautiful breakup poem to Linda.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM

Her hand print in her victim's blood on her victim's wall was enough to convict.

In addition to the pics there was also the .25 caliber shell casing along with her grandfather's recently and 'coincidentally' missing .25 caliber handgun.

It was all just too 'de-edifying' for her to be acquitted.

I believe that her hair was also at the scene, smashed in blood. It would be interesting to ponder how the case would have gone without the pics. Jodi might have stuck with an intruder story or told a different story of how things had happened since there were no pictures to prove where in the bathroom it began or how it ended.

 

[ElleElle]

I must have missed that testimony and I could have. There were days I just could not watch her on the stand. For some reason I thought she was still living in the home up until the time she decided to move to Mesa.

I have to say, too, is it possible we only have JA's word that they were dating exclusively. Was there anything ever from TA's side that claimed they were a couple? It seems to me in her relationships she is the determining factor as to whether or not they are an exclusive item. And if the male partner is not on the same page as she is his freedom to date anyone he chooses is considered by JA as "cheating". jmo

BBM ~ I believe Jodi wanted Travis to believe they were "good friends" and free to date anyone they pleased. However, imo, it seemed like Jodi was in a higher dimension and deep down he should not have rejected her because she was the best girlfriend he's ever had.

Imo, Travis believed he was the eligible bachelor. This angered Jodi as she was the proverbial "trophy wife", which he rejected. He was dating Mimi and Jodi felt replaced. Remember the stalking incidents with Lisa? Lisa broke that one off with Travis, and Jodi thought she could get him back. She only got him back in bed and that was it.

I do not think there was any love between them, just lust. I'm not certain either of them had the capability to love.

 

[ElleElle]

I believe that her hair was also at the scene, smashed in blood. It would be interesting to ponder how the case would have gone without the pics. Jodi might have stuck with an intruder story or told a different story of how things had happened since there were no pictures to prove where in the bathroom it began or how it ended.

That's right. No pics, Jodi could of stuck to the ninja story as that is how she originally started off during interro with Flores.

It has become clear to me that Jodi is not that smart and did not realize the pics were lifted of the compact flash card.

The hair and handprint certainly could of been from a struggle with a ninja. :facepalm: She blended in parts of the story to the story Travis was telling his friends when Jodi was sprawled all over him. :floorlaugh: Juan: "What is that blond thing on his lap?".

But, still Jodi cannot explain why she did not get help or call 911.

 

[wasnt_me]

Sure, she explained. It was Fog. No light from Rudolph to help her dial 911.

I agree that she really didn't know the pictures could be recovered, and she's not that smart. I recall her on the stand when JM asked her of she'd known her call with Flores would be recorded--the one where she says Travis had no gun--her reply in court was that of course her lawyer had told her. I felt like coming through the screen and telling her that if she'd actually been talking to a lawyer back then, days after Travis had been found, there is no way in hell she would have been talking to Flores at all. What lawyer is going to advise her to talk to the police for an hour on the phone and then go voluntarily for DNA swabs? Unless of course she was dumb enough to lie to the lawyer.

Oh, now that I think about it, the jury asked her if she'd had a lawyer during the 48hrs interview, and she said a public defender for her extradition or something of that nature. So she had no freaking lawyer advising her back then.

I know. Off topic.

Jodi is veil for knowing his near death story and making him face it again. Or could that be why she shot him second? Morbid empathy not to make him face a loaded gun again?

 

[ElleElle]

Sure, she explained. It was Fog. No light from Rudolph to help her dial 911.

I agree that she really didn't know the pictures could be recovered, and she's not that smart. I recall her on the stand when JM asked her of she'd known her call with Flores would be recorded--the one where she says Travis had no gun--her reply in court was that of course her lawyer had told her. I felt like coming through the screen and telling her that if she'd actually been talking to a lawyer back then, days after Travis had been found, there is no way in hell she would have been talking to Flores at all. What lawyer is going to advise her to talk to the police for an hour on the phone and then go voluntarily for DNA swabs? Unless of course she was dumb enough to lie to the lawyer.

Oh, now that I think about it, the jury asked her if she'd had a lawyer during the 48hrs interview, and she said a public defender for her extradition or something of that nature. So she had no freaking lawyer advising her back then.

I know. Off topic.

Jodi is veil for knowing his near death story and making him face it again. Or could that be why she shot him second? Morbid empathy not to make him face a loaded gun again?

BBM ~ Did she shoot him second? :seeya:

IN my mind, I can picture her shooting him first, then he tried to get a hold of the gun. (As much as many experts and medical community believe that a gunshot through the head would incapacitate someone); would it? What if the bullet totally bypassed the brain? The body was already decomposing and Dr. Horn testified the brain matter was mush. Then Wilmott went off on the definition of "mush"..

 

[LambChop]

I know she was still in the house when Travis came to visit her with the dog because she said the dog fell in the pool. So she could have moved out sometime in late May or June of 2007 and moved over to Big Sur with Matt before moving to Mesa. Somehow I missed it. LOL You can only listen to her for so long. I don't know how the jury did it. At least I could turn it off and on at will. jmo

 

[LambChop]

BBM ~ Did she shoot him second? :seeya:

IN my mind, I can picture her shooting him first, then he tried to get a hold of the gun. (As much as many experts and medical community believe that a gunshot through the head would incapacitate someone); would it? What if the bullet totally bypassed the brain? The body was already decomposing and Dr. Horn testified the brain matter was mush. Then Wilmott went off on the definition of "mush"..

I believe JM asked Dr. Horn to clarify his testimony about the bullet going through the brain during rebuttal and he established it did, in fact, go through the brain. What killed him, however, where the wounds she inflicted in the chest and when she cut his throat. We know his neck injury was the worst and that may be what will get her DP. At any point she could have stopped her assault because she clearly had enough time to get away.

I think her "goose" is cooked. jmo

 

[ElleElle]

I know she was still in the house when Travis came to visit her with the dog because she said the dog fell in the pool. So she could have moved out sometime in late May or June of 2007 and moved over to Big Sur with Matt before moving to Mesa. Somehow I missed it. LOL You can only listen to her for so long. I don't know how the jury did it. At least I could turn it off and on at will. jmo

I believed Jodi lived with a roommate and the roommate got married and Jodi had to move out. Come to think of it, I don't know where Jodi lived while in AZ! :scared:

I was sucked in to watch every single day of trial and as you can see i'm still addicted.

 

[wasnt_me]

I very firmly believe she shot him last. If the dragging picture shows her dragging him with her left hand beneath his arm pit, and his neck wasn't completely severed, I do believe that, as she dragged him that closely to his head, she heard what sounded like him groaning, but it was gurgling from the slashed throat. So at the sink, she shot him.

I had this debate for a long time in another thread that was removed during the trial, and nothing that anyone passionately arguing in there convinced me that the gunshot was first. I don't believe I need to see a wound track in the brain to believe the bullet went through the brain. Additionally, I don't think she could have achieved that steep trajectory unless his head wasn't sitting properly on his neck.

 

[wasnt_me]

I know she was still in the house when Travis came to visit her with the dog because she said the dog fell in the pool. So she could have moved out sometime in late May or June of 2007 and moved over to Big Sur with Matt before moving to Mesa. Somehow I missed it. LOL You can only listen to her for so long. I don't know how the jury did it. At least I could turn it off and on at will. jmo

Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember the dog story. Was that Naps? And was that when Dan Freeman said they'd showed up unannounced while she was watching the secret? I believe Freeman said Travis was paying her back for rolling up on him unannounced.

Elle--

We're talking about where she was before she moved to AZ. When she moved, she hurriedly moved in with Rachel. It's funny because she wrote in her journal that she was staying at Rachel's but couldn't tell Travis that; however, she'd also testified that Travis had helped her move to AZ. So if Travis was involved with the move, when did he stop liking Rachel, who she was moving in with?

Then, Rachel popped up talking about getting married a week after Jodi got there, and told Jodi she had to leave. So Jodi scrambled to find a place, and she eventually found someone who was renting a room close to Travis, but not in his ward.

Reading between the lines like ALV, I conclude that after Travis broke up with Jodi for being in Big Sur with Matt, Jodi decided to rush and move, just like she did when she ran away from home, ran off after Bobby (when he lived with Matt), ran off to south american when her relationship with Matt had failed, etc, and Rachel probably told Jodi at the start, "Look, I'm getting married in a couple weeks." And Jodi probably begged her way in, thinking she'd be able to con more of a stay or Travis would take her in. Rachel's husband, however, moved in with Rachel, not the other way around, so Jodi had to go--period.

I can't think of another reason she'd move herself from working at Big Sur to having no job or sure place to stay and no real bed. That's insane unless she really thought she'd be able to get into one of Travis' rooms for rent. Travis probably told her, "Look, you can clean it since you have no job, but you can't live in it," in regard to the house.

 

[Truth Detector]

I just meant the hair dye. I know how much she lies & I enjoyed watching her get caught in her lies since she thought she was so much smarter than everyone. In the grand scheme of things I know the hair dye doesn't matter much, it's more of catching her in even more lies that I was wondering about. But thanks for all the other info...love your posts!

Oh, the dye job.

I confess that with the plethora of other hard forensic evidence, I spent little time pondering it.

Sorry...

In fact, I found the Starbucks skater prankster gang more interesting.

[video=youtube;ZCyQC68ZLSU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyQC68ZLSU[/video]

Far be it from me to level accusations here, but the observant among us will no doubt take note of the fact that a license plate has gone missing from the bumper of that Chevy directly behind him.

Also note that the curb is not sufficiently high enough to obscure a leaning license plate of standard height from that angle.

(I clearly paid too much attention to the testimony and evidence in this case.)

 

[Truth Detector]

How very special. There are 6 members and that includes Donovan.

Well, she's tipping the scales at 12 members as of this post, but I noticed (shhh!) that she's 'accepted' at least one TA supporter into the group.

 

[LambChop]

I live in a state where there is no front plate required for the car so one missing does not mean it was stolen.